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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:14:52 GMT
He looks like a player who isn't enjoying be in here to be honest. His lack of work rate is very disturbing when he hasn't got the ball. I watched him closely today and he just ambled through the game and regularly just let his opposition midfielders make runs off him without any intention of tracking them. With the ball he looks awesome at times but a player who plays in his position needs to put more effort in when we don't have the ball. Part of the reason he looks like he isn't enjoying it is because he's so frustrated. I've never known a player ask for the ball so much as him, and for some unknown reason, his team mates not trust him with it so much either. When he drops deep and asks for the ball, just bloody give it to him! How many times today did he just drop his shoulder and glide past a couple of players? Unbelievably talented. He holds on to it for too long, that could be a reason?
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Post by musik on Apr 30, 2016 23:18:24 GMT
Imbula plays at another level. Not many understand what he's up to. The rest of the team become extras.
I wish everyone was a Imbula player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:19:45 GMT
I'm not part of any Kangaroo court Wezza. I'm just giving a honest opinion of what I saw today. Imbula looks like a world beater at times with the ball at his feet and definitely has shit loads of ability. My concerns are about his willingness to do the dirty side of the game and about how he looks as though he doesn't want to be here to me. Obviously he needs time to settle and hopefully my concerns about him not looking like he wants to be here will fade given time and that Hughes can get him doing the hard yards which, let's face it he needs to do as a central midfield player. Mate .....no fucker gets any time to adjust or find their feet on here ....in general he's playing excellent but it's always the negatives Defence this defence that .....why the fuck can't we just enjoy somebody who likes to attack Because when he's playing the second midfielder role half of his job is to defend? Not as big an issue today but we're at our best when the third midfielder is buzzing around like a blue arsed fly pressuring their deep midfielder or CB. He rarely did that. It's what Bojan pre injury was excellent at and its the best thing Afellay does when he plays there. He's clearly a fine player but there's some massive flaws the coaching staff have to get rid off. Then he will be excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 23:22:58 GMT
Mate .....no fucker gets any time to adjust or find their feet on here ....in general he's playing excellent but it's always the negatives Defence this defence that .....why the fuck can't we just enjoy somebody who likes to attack Because when he's playing the second midfielder role half of his job is to defend? Not as big an issue today but we're at our best when the third midfielder is buzzing around like a blue arsed fly pressuring their deep midfielder or CB. He rarely did that. It's what Bojan pre injury was excellent at and its the best thing Afellay does when he plays there. He's clearly a fine player but there's some massive flaws the coaching staff have to get rid off. Then he will be excellent. Wrong!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2016 23:34:19 GMT
Because when he's playing the second midfielder role half of his job is to defend? Not as big an issue today but we're at our best when the third midfielder is buzzing around like a blue arsed fly pressuring their deep midfielder or CB. He rarely did that. It's what Bojan pre injury was excellent at and its the best thing Afellay does when he plays there. He's clearly a fine player but there's some massive flaws the coaching staff have to get rid off. Then he will be excellent. Wrong! It's not though is it? He can't play the second midfielder role and not improve his defensive positioning and effort. He can't play where he did today and not improve his pressuring. His temperament has to change. He needs to pass it sooner. And he needs to improve his shooting. I think all of that will happen because he is such a bloody good player. His dribbling is up there with the best in the league. His vision when he does pass is brilliant. He's the got the range to defend and attack, there's nothing stopping him barring desire. He's good in the air, I mention this because I think I'm between him and Fonz there was nothing there. We have a heck of a player, he just needs to be coached and nurtured to reach his potential.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 23:57:55 GMT
We have a heck of a player, he just needs to be coached and nurtured to reach his potential. OR The team need to realise quite how good he is, and play to his strengths, rather than Imbula adapting to the team's weaknesses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 0:01:53 GMT
We have a heck of a player, he just needs to be coached and nurtured to reach his potential. OR The team need to realise quite how good he is, and play to his strengths, rather than Imbula adapting to the teams weaknesses. So he can't do the job he has to and its everyone elses fault? It doesn't work like that does it? He's got to put more effort in and when he plays as the second midfielder he has to defend better. That has nothing to do with anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 0:03:12 GMT
OR The team need to realise quite how good he is, and play to his strengths, rather than Imbula adapting to the teams weaknesses. So he can't do the job he has to and its everyone elses fault? It doesn't work like that does it? He's got to put more effort in and when he plays as the second midfielder he has to defend better. That has nothing to do with anyone else. You are totally wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 0:08:06 GMT
So he can't do the job he has to and its everyone elses fault? It doesn't work like that does it? He's got to put more effort in and when he plays as the second midfielder he has to defend better. That has nothing to do with anyone else. You are totally wrong. Haha! So it's fine for the second midfielder to let players waltz past him? Because that's what he does. It's no ones fault bar his. And I can see why players are reluctant to pass to him, they want it back, he struggles with that. His biggest strength is also a weakness. But I love his dribbling, it really is top class. I guess his temperament is every bugger else's fault too? He could/should have been sent off today for two yellows for kicking the ball away needlessly. Pre season is big for him and a great time for the manager and his staff to do their magic!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 0:12:20 GMT
Haha! So it's fine for the second midfielder to let players waltz past him? Because that's what he does. It's no ones fault bar his. And I can see why players are reluctant to pass to him, they want it back, he struggles with that. His biggest strength is also a weakness. But I love his dribbling, it really is top class. I guess his temperament is every bugger else's fault too? He could/should have been sent off today for two yellows for kicking the ball away needlessly. Pre season is big for him and a great time for the manager and his staff to do their magic! Oh dear, here we go again .....
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 0:38:56 GMT
Haha! So it's fine for the second midfielder to let players waltz past him? Because that's what he does. It's no ones fault bar his. And I can see why players are reluctant to pass to him, they want it back, he struggles with that. His biggest strength is also a weakness. But I love his dribbling, it really is top class. I guess his temperament is every bugger else's fault too? He could/should have been sent off today for two yellows for kicking the ball away needlessly. Pre season is big for him and a great time for the manager and his staff to do their magic! Oh dear, here we go again ..... Haha Good argument, nearly as good as it's everyone else's fault. If one player epitomises this season it's him. He could be so good but at the moment there's just something not right. Got to hope now that he has a good pre season, learns the lingo and gets the coaching he needs.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 0:44:05 GMT
Ok. Yes carry on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 0:54:08 GMT
Don't worry I will. Especially when there's actually no good counter argument. As I've said, he's clearly a fabulous footballer but he needs a right good polishing. The word excellent was used earlier, which is way ott with how he's played since he started. He has the potential to be excellent though, does he want to be?
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Post by tuum on May 1, 2016 2:35:45 GMT
I think Bayern makes some good points. The most frustrating thing about Nat for me is he does not release the ball to others early enough. There are many things for him to work on pre season....all of which are pretty simple. Looking forward to having a real beast of a player on our hands come August.
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Post by jeycov on May 1, 2016 7:28:34 GMT
Some fans were suggesting that Bojan go out on loan to a Championship club after a few weeks here! He's got loads of potential , fans need to play their part and support him as he adjusts to life here
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 1, 2016 7:39:42 GMT
He's simply got to learn to defend better. Shaq is getting plenty of stick for it on the other thread and I think he's better at it than Imbula.
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Post by no1972 on May 1, 2016 9:35:07 GMT
Why could he not get in a Porto side who play in a league equal to the championship.We signed him because he played well against us in a pre season friendly .Thats one hell of a gamble paying 18million on a player because he had a good game against us everybody beat us in the pre season games in Germany.Saying that I hope he succeeds but at this moment in time it looks like 10 players plus him.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 1, 2016 9:36:42 GMT
He's simply got to learn to defend better. Shaq is getting plenty of stick for it on the other thread and I think he's better at it than Imbula. Yeah. The disappointing thing at the moment is that he's not even trying to defend. At least Shaq puts the effort in.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 9:40:42 GMT
Haha! So it's fine for the second midfielder to let players waltz past him? Because that's what he does. It's no ones fault bar his. And I can see why players are reluctant to pass to him, they want it back, he struggles with that. His biggest strength is also a weakness. But I love his dribbling, it really is top class. I guess his temperament is every bugger else's fault too? He could/should have been sent off today for two yellows for kicking the ball away needlessly. Pre season is big for him and a great time for the manager and his staff to do their magic! Oh dear, here we go again ..... I don't see what is so wrong with what Bayern and others (including myself) are saying. As it stands right now, Imbula's attitude and desire is definitely up for debate.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 9:44:32 GMT
We signed him because he played well against us in a pre season friendly .Thats one hell of a gamble paying 18million on a player because he had a good game against us everybody beat us in the pre season games in Germany.. and you dont think the management and scouts watched him between that friendly in the summer and signing him in winter?
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Post by stokester1989 on May 1, 2016 9:46:15 GMT
for me he passes sideways too much, passes back but rarely forwards and sdlows the game down.
that one on one was shocking my nan could of finished that.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 9:46:20 GMT
Imbula plays at another level. Not many understand what he's up to. The rest of the team become extras. I wish everyone was a Imbula player. With all due respect, this is rubbish. If every player was an Imbula player we'd be playing in The Championship.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 1, 2016 9:50:20 GMT
Oh dear, here we go again ..... I don't see what is so wrong with what Bayern and others (including myself) are saying. As it stands right now, Imbula's attitude and desire is definitely up for debate. The only thing that should be up for debate is his fitness to do the job a midfielder has to do in this country. He's clearly an incredibly talented footballer who is frustrated with himself more than anything. When he got booked it was clearly because of the frustration he felt that his legs simply wouldn't allow him to do what he wanted to do. Pre-season and some english lessons will see him play a huge part next season. If, then, he can't operate in a midfield 2 with bojan ahead of him, it was 18.3m spunked up the wall.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 1, 2016 9:57:23 GMT
He has to work a lot harder on his concentration and decision making , also not tracking your runners is unprofessional and lets the team down , not disputing his ability but he is still some way off replacing Nzonzi who certainly wouldn't have fucked up the sitter he missed yesterday , both him and Shaq have a lot of work to do in pre season to justify their price tags and it has nothing to do with their team mates ability but their own attitude
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Post by fca47 on May 1, 2016 9:58:41 GMT
What player can't improve his game? we have to make the most of what he does do well, and over time let him adapt to the game here. Great player just need to improve the end result.
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Post by flinteastwood on May 1, 2016 9:59:12 GMT
Imbers is basically a carbon copy of Yaya, on the ball they can drive past players with ease and set attacks from deep but with that off the ball they both look lazy and are bad positionally we have to take the rough with the smooth with him. I think Imbers is an easy target but for me its the same as moaning at Glenn for not creating attacks and only passing sideways cos its not what hes in the team for.
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Post by rawli on May 1, 2016 10:01:39 GMT
Hopefully it's just a fitness thing - looked knackered in the second half.
Also needs to adapt. His first few games caught opposition teams by surprise so he was given the freedom to waltz past opponents. Now as soon as he gets it he has 2 or 3 players on him to snuff that out. Needs to adapt to that and release it earlier in that situation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 10:02:05 GMT
Imbers is basically a carbon copy of Yaya, on the ball they can drive past players with ease and set attacks from deep but with that off the ball they both look lazy and are bad positionally we have to take the rough with the smooth with him. I think Imbers is an easy target but for me its the same as moaning at Glenn for not creating attacks and only passing sideways cos its not what hes in the team for. But when he plays as the second midfielder it is part of his job! And that's where he was bought for but now he's been pushed forward which suggests Hughes doesn't at this time trust him to do the job he was bought for.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on May 1, 2016 10:23:30 GMT
It took Arnie a year to fit in.
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Post by flinteastwood on May 1, 2016 10:27:25 GMT
Imbers is basically a carbon copy of Yaya, on the ball they can drive past players with ease and set attacks from deep but with that off the ball they both look lazy and are bad positionally we have to take the rough with the smooth with him. I think Imbers is an easy target but for me its the same as moaning at Glenn for not creating attacks and only passing sideways cos its not what hes in the team for. But when he plays as the second midfielder it is part of his job! And that's where he was bought for but now he's been pushed forward which suggests Hughes doesn't at this time trust him to do the job he was bought for. I think he was bought in to play the job he is doing now to break the midfield line on the attack and start attacking moves, Whelos in there to defend. Its clear to see he doesn't have a defensive bone in his body so Hughes must have knew this when he signed him.
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