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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 24, 2016 1:25:26 GMT
That for some...
A bunch of dreadful performances...
Getting knocked out by third level clubs in a cup....
25 million spent each season...
40 points achieved...
...and then throwing the towel in...
...is all fine and dandy, and anyone saying different is a, PHW...
While...
A bunch of dreadful performances...
An injury list unheard of in recent times...
A cup semi-final...
Making Man City and Man Utd look a class below us...
A probable/possible top half finish...
Closing in on 50 points (again)...
Only a couple of transfer windows where anywhere near as much money as our peers were spending...
...deserves the sack?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 3:08:09 GMT
Expectations have not been managed well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 3:21:19 GMT
It is a results driven entertainment business, and yes, I agree that loyalties and support must always remain strong, but the last 3 games have been shockers... Terrible results, toothless performances and certainly lacking in entertainment. We are all entitled to an opinion and that is mine, yes, we have had some brilliant performances this season, which sort of makes the last 3 games even more frustrating... For me now, lets see the season out, hopefully without any further casualties, and get a good pre season done, with some new faces, and lets start all over again... In Hughes we trust...
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Post by stokesydney on Apr 24, 2016 4:15:24 GMT
It truly is a fine line between pleasure and pain
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 5:32:36 GMT
Steak and sushi.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 6:10:47 GMT
I'm not calling for the sack, but the team is abysmal in this moment in time. Injuries especially have shown just how weak the squad really is. Defensively we have now become a joke. It needs sorting!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 24, 2016 6:19:20 GMT
That for some... A bunch of dreadful performances... Getting knocked out by third level clubs in a cup.... 25 million spent each season... 40 points achieved... ...and then throwing the towel in... ...is all fine and dandy, and anyone saying different is a, PHW... While... A bunch of dreadful performances... An injury list unheard of in recent times... A cup semi-final... Making Man City and Man Utd look a class below us... A probable/possible top half finish... Closing in on 50 points (again)... Only a couple of transfer windows where anywhere near as much money as our peers were spending... ...deserves the sack? I dispute the £25m spent a season? If you're including wages, even the Vale players get paid wages! Until the Imbula signing, our net spend in five transfer windows was the lowest in the division. Yesterday, on Radio Stoke, Denis Smith said our squad isn't as strong as was thought. But, some of us said that all along! Look at how many golden oldies have been re-signed..Crouch, Whelan and Walters? It's not a football club, it's a Darby and Joan club! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 7:00:43 GMT
Instant gratification, and/or (the lack of having) bragging rights over other teams.
Will be funny to compare the general mood when we start winning again this or next season.
Perspective is the key word.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 24, 2016 7:36:39 GMT
Why is it that so many peoples only benchmark is between Hughes and Pulis ?
Pulis went three years ago and rightly so because he had stopped getting the best out of his players and did not agree with the way the club wanted to move in terms of bringing in someone to get involved with transfer targets.
Why his performance should ever be linked whenever the current bunch of overpaid pampered footballers fail to turn up for their two hours work is the real mystery as is why fans ever tolerate players giving less than everything they have for 40- 50 or 60 k a week , thats the least we should be demanding from them.
Hughes has signed most of these and has to motivate them thats why he is paid a few million quid a year , he now needs to learn from this run of games and move on the ones who don't have the character and get players in who do .
if he cant then his time will be up too and it will have nothing to do with the previous manager
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 24, 2016 7:43:30 GMT
What's most surprising to me is the people claiming that thrashing after thrashing after thrashing, and a team that very obviously can't be arsed, isn't remotely any sort of cause for serious concern......
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 24, 2016 7:50:47 GMT
Why is it that ANY criticism of the current team, performances or set up is IMMEDIATELY countered with a) comparisons with the Pulis era and b) the default assumption that anyone making those criticisms or observations wants Pulis back?
Why is the Hughes benchmark and its acceptability perceived as being intrinsically linked to the Pulis era and slightly higher finishes are sufficient reason to stifle any sort of debate (or row, or slanging match!)
Poster #1 "I think we had a really bad game and I'm well pissed off"
Poster #2 "so you want Pulis back then do ya?"
Poster #1 "no I just thought we were crap and wanted to,say so"
Poster #2 "ah you think it was better under Pulis do ya knicker wetter"
Poster #1 "no but ......."
Poster #2 "fuck off up the Vale then"
Poster #1 "why would I want to do that - I only support Stoke and that's why I'm a bit concerned re recent performances"
Poster #2 "Call yourself a supporter, I was on a wet grassy bank at Springfield Park, I remember getting beaten by Telford, I always stay to the end, I've never boo my team, it was 1937 when we last finished 10th, why don't you just get over Pulis"
Poster #1 "...but I never said I wanted Pulis back"
Poster #2 "yes you do, you must, it's the only conclusion I can draw from what you are saying - loyalty, let me tell you about loyalty......"
Poster #1 "if you must"
And on it goes......we are in the here and now, and the only comparisons that really matter are those relating to the other teams in this current league and how we perform week on week. No one but no one seriously wants Pulis back but every time it comes back to this ridiculous assumption that folk want him back or hanker after his era - its just irrelevant, a memory, history, water under the bridge - Hughes and the team should be judged on their merits and their merits alone in the context of this league.
All IMHO of course!
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Post by MuddyWoody on Apr 24, 2016 7:55:51 GMT
I'm not calling for the sack, but the team is abysmal in this moment in time. Injuries especially have shown just how weak the squad really is. Defensively we have now become a joke. It needs sorting! Couldn't agree more. The 1st team is a joke at the moment. In the main the players look like they don't care and some don't even look fit. The difference in basic performance levels (pressing and workrate) between us Spurs and even Liverpool was staggering and fucking depressing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 9:00:58 GMT
Pulis back. Lol. If he came back. I'm off! For good!
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Post by samba :) on Apr 24, 2016 9:04:17 GMT
Consistent improvement is a requirement, no excuses I think if we do worse than this season next season the winging and pulis wanking is acceptable to an extent
Edit: I probably won't be wanking over pulis
Also: punctuation is lacking
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 24, 2016 9:08:58 GMT
Think the stats show that most clubs above us in general have players that work harder than ours! At least they run more during games! Why is this? I really thought the inferior teams would have to do more running, but maybe this is an issue about the fitness level of the players?  |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 24, 2016 9:17:04 GMT
Why is it that ANY criticism of the current team, performances or set up is IMMEDIATELY countered with a) comparisons with the Pulis era and b) the default assumption that anyone making those criticisms or observations wants Pulis back? Why is the Hughes benchmark and its acceptability perceived as being intrinsically linked to the Pulis era and slightly higher finishes are sufficient reason to stifle any sort of debate (or row, or slanging match!) Poster #1 "I think we had a really bad game and I'm well pissed off" Poster #2 "so you want Pulis back then do ya?" Poster #1 "no I just thought we were crap and wanted to,say so" Poster #2 "ah you think it was better under Pulis do ya knicker wetter" Poster #1 "no but ......." Poster #2 "fuck off up the Vale then" Poster #1 "why would I want to do that - I only support Stoke and that's why I'm a bit concerned re recent performances" Poster #2 "Call yourself a supporter, I was on a wet grassy bank at Springfield Park, I remember getting beaten by Telford, I always stay to the end, I've never boo my team, it was 1937 when we last finished 10th, why don't you just get over Pulis" Poster #1 "...but I never said I wanted Pulis back" Poster #2 "yes you do, you must, it's the only conclusion I can draw from what you are saying - loyalty, let me tell you about loyalty......" Poster #1 "if you must" And on it goes......we are in the here and now, and the only comparisons that really matter are those relating to the other teams in this current league and how we perform week on week. No one but no one seriously wants Pulis back but every time it comes back to this ridiculous assumption that folk want him back or hanker after his era - its just irrelevant, a memory, history, water under the bridge - Hughes and the team should be judged on their merits and their merits alone in the context of this league. All IMHO of course
