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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:48:37 GMT
looking at the start of the season and the results .and upto today now with its last man standing and make shift back four .how many points would we have saved by keeping huth 14 is my reckoning 0 by mine
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 24, 2016 17:49:57 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful gift. At the time of the sale and based upon the injury and his form which was steady for Lecester, I still think it was the right thing to have sold him. This is the sort of decision we have managers for.....we hope more often than not they get it right and sometimes they don't. Let's just move on otherwise what's next......should we make sure we keep Sidwell just in case he turns into a world beater? I've got confidence in Hughes and trust him to get these decisions right more than he gets wrong.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 24, 2016 17:51:38 GMT
1. Huth is a good defender and we would have been better for keeping him. 2. Playing the ball out from the back as we try to doesn't achieve much and just slows everything down and increases the potential for mistakes. 3. Our basic organisation at the back isn't great. 4. None of the above reflect on Wolly (or at least he is only as much to blame as many others for point 3) who has played well and done a good job. If you are angry about our poor defending there are plenty of more pertinent targets just now - not least the coaching staff. Mark Hughes ? by the way apparently Wolly was bought in for his ability to play the ball out from the back make of that what you will. Exactly - it's a job he has done well enough. Been our best defender this year. Whether it's a good idea to ask our defenders to do what we ask them to ......that's another issue. Personally I would have settled for a straight forward Huth / Shawcross / Bardsley etc. type set up that just gets the basic job done.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 17:58:02 GMT
Mark Hughes ? by the way apparently Wolly was bought in for his ability to play the ball out from the back make of that what you will. Exactly - it's a job he has done well enough. Been our best defender this year. Whether it's a good idea to ask our defenders to do what we ask them to ......that's another issue. Personally I would have settled for a straight forward Huth / Shawcross / Bardsley etc. type set up that just gets the basic job done. Best defender by default due to injuries you mean, he has made far to many basic errors for a top flight CB, his passing generally is not that good either five yard sideways and backwards is not an art.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 24, 2016 18:03:15 GMT
Exactly - it's a job he has done well enough. Been our best defender this year. Whether it's a good idea to ask our defenders to do what we ask them to ......that's another issue. Personally I would have settled for a straight forward Huth / Shawcross / Bardsley etc. type set up that just gets the basic job done. Best defender by default due to injuries you mean, he has made far to many basic errors for a top flight CB, his passing generally is not that good either five yard sideways and backwards is not an art. I simply mean that of the players that have played in our defence this season he has been the most effective.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 18:17:30 GMT
Best defender by default due to injuries you mean, he has made far to many basic errors for a top flight CB, his passing generally is not that good either five yard sideways and backwards is not an art. I simply mean that of the players that have played in our defence this season he has been the most effective. To be fair apart from Erik that would not take a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:23:14 GMT
looking at the start of the season and the results .and upto today now with its last man standing and make shift back four .how many points would we have saved by keeping huth 14 is my reckoning So, 24 hours on. Have you had chance to think about my question re. Which games where the 14 points would have come from? Cheers.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 18:31:47 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful gift. At the time of the sale and based upon the injury and his form which was steady for Lecester, I still think it was the right thing to have sold him. This is the sort of decision we have managers for.....we hope more often than not they get it right and sometimes they don't. Let's just move on otherwise what's next......should we make sure we keep Sidwell just in case he turns into a world beater? I've got confidence in Hughes and trust him to get these decisions right more than he gets wrong. If the player we signed to replace him was as good or better I would agree wholeheartedly with you, however he compounded a player who we all saw whilst on loan with us was not as good or better, not rocket science was it I have worked for managers who have been sacked for similar decisions they made.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 24, 2016 19:12:32 GMT
I see Clive Clarke is starting a Wollschied fan club :-)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 19:26:54 GMT
I see Clive Clarke is starting a Wollschied fan club :-) ?????
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 24, 2016 19:29:27 GMT
I see Clive Clarke is starting a Wollschied fan club :-) ????? I've just heard his comments on Knot Fm from yesterday where he absolutely slated him and said he must be dropped immediately and said he just isn't good enough
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 19:30:27 GMT
I've just heard his comments on Knot Fm from yesterday where he absolutely slated him and said he must be dropped immediately and said he just isn't good enough Ah! I passed him the agenda clearly.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 24, 2016 19:31:40 GMT
I've just heard his comments on Knot Fm from yesterday where he absolutely slated him and said he must be dropped immediately and said he just isn't good enough Ah! I passed him the agenda clearly. obviously :-)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 19:36:56 GMT
Ah! I passed him the agenda clearly. obviously :-) I'm amazed so many defend him.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 24, 2016 19:38:41 GMT
My theory is that Huth was a bit of a dirty player and MH saw him as a liability with the potential to give away too many penalties/free kicks. Just a theory mind. I'm delighted that he will be picking up a League Champions medal. (My favorite Huth moment was in the FA Cup QF when he pulled that West Ham player out of the wall so Higgy could slam it through the gap created. Happy days.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 24, 2016 19:41:40 GMT
Wollschied has had 5 centre back partners this year.
Robert Huth has had 1.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 19:47:50 GMT
Wollschied has had 5 centre back partners this year. Robert Huth has had 1. And that stops him from marking his man at a corner (Southampton) or making a simple pass (Swansea) etc etc
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 19:56:56 GMT
I'm amazed so many defend him. Because he can't defend himself
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 19:59:16 GMT
Wollschied has had 5 centre back partners this year. Robert Huth has had 1. All five were deemed a better option than Huth by Hughes ! six if you include Wolfy
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 24, 2016 19:59:19 GMT
Wollschied has had 5 centre back partners this year. Robert Huth has had 1. And that stops him from marking his man at a corner (Southampton) or making a simple pass (Swansea) etc etc Obviously not. Understanding, team work and confidence does improve with consistency of selection though. Football is a team game, not an individual sport. The performance of every player has an affect on all of their team mates.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 20:01:24 GMT
And that stops him from marking his man at a corner (Southampton) or making a simple pass (Swansea) etc etc Obviously not. Understanding, team work and confidence does improve with consistency of selection though. Football is a team game, not an individual sport. The performance of every player has an affect on all of their team mates. And performance can be undermined by the mistakes of a player in a key area. We've seen it with Wilson before (who too was defended to high heaven) and now we see it with Wolly.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 20:02:10 GMT
My theory is that Huth was a bit of a dirty player and MH saw him as a liability with the potential to give away too many penalties/free kicks. Just a theory mind. I'm delighted that he will be picking up a League Champions medal. (My favorite Huth moment was in the FA Cup QF when he pulled that West Ham player out of the wall so Higgy could slam it through the gap created. Happy days. Good theory how many penalties has he conceded this season ?, that free kick routine was pretty funny not sure how we got away with it mind.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 20:04:04 GMT
And that stops him from marking his man at a corner (Southampton) or making a simple pass (Swansea) etc etc Obviously not. Understanding, team work and confidence does improve with consistency of selection though. Football is a team game, not an individual sport. The performance of every player has an affect on all of their team mates. Correct shame we have a squad packed full of individual's.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 24, 2016 20:15:38 GMT
Wollschied has had 5 centre back partners this year. Robert Huth has had 1. All five were deemed a better option than Huth by Hughes ! six if you include Wolfy I'd be very surprised if all 5 were considered to be better options at CB than Huth by our manager. I imagine that some of them will have been valued because of their versatility. We do know from experience that Huth is not really an option at FB despite many attempts to squeeze his peg into a hole of that shape. I am pretty sure that once Huth discovered he was not guaranteed first team football he would have been very keen to leave. This situation would have been clear to him after he barely featured in our 2 most successful seasons in the last 30 odd years. I am also pretty sure that Huth is on a much higher wage than most of our current crop of defenders. In his last two years at Stoke Huth missed many, many games through injury. It is easy to forget that Robert Huth is not always injury free. Huth's last contract at Stoke was due to end in 2016. We sold him for decent money. He has done brilliantly for Leicester who could probably sell him for a small profit if they chose to at the end of the season.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 20:42:46 GMT
All five were deemed a better option than Huth by Hughes ! six if you include Wolfy I'd be very surprised if all 5 were considered to be better options at CB than Huth by our manager. I imagine that some of them will have been valued because of their versatility. We do know from experience that Huth is not really an option at FB despite many attempts to squeeze his peg into a hole of that shape. I am pretty sure that once Huth discovered he was not guaranteed first team football he would have been very keen to leave. This situation would have been clear to him after he barely featured in our 2 most successful seasons in the last 30 odd years. I am also pretty sure that Huth is on a much higher wage than most of our current crop of defenders. In his last two years at Stoke Huth missed many, many games through injury. It is easy to forget that Robert Huth is not always injury free. Huth's last contract at Stoke was due to end in 2016. We sold him for decent money. He has done brilliantly for Leicester who could probably sell him for a small profit if they chose to at the end of the season. Wonder if they would consider a swap deal with Wolfy his alleged injury problem have miraculously disappeared, despite his wage demands he would still be a better option than at least five of our current crop of so called defenders, you pay peanuts you get monkeys not organ grinders.
PS we sold him for £3million decent money really we paid £7million for Joselu and £2.75 million for Wolfy, by comparison his fee looks like a fire sale.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 21:37:37 GMT
Round and round in fucking circles.
Yes, people don't rate Wollscheid.
Yes, people rate Huth.
Yes, we needed CB cover.
Is there anything else earth shattering that's been revealed in these weekly threads since last summer? Or is it the same shite each time?
Bring something new to the table at least or don't bother.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2016 21:41:46 GMT
Round and round in fucking circles. Yes, people don't rate Wollscheid. Yes, people rate Huth. Yes, we needed CB cover. Is there anything else earth shattering that's been revealed in these weekly threads since last summer? Or is it the same shite each time? Bring something new to the table at least or don't bother. We are waiting for the manager to do that, tick tock there is a reason for the weekly threads since last summer can you tell what it is yet
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 24, 2016 21:43:50 GMT
I'd be very surprised if all 5 were considered to be better options at CB than Huth by our manager. I imagine that some of them will have been valued because of their versatility. We do know from experience that Huth is not really an option at FB despite many attempts to squeeze his peg into a hole of that shape. I am pretty sure that once Huth discovered he was not guaranteed first team football he would have been very keen to leave. This situation would have been clear to him after he barely featured in our 2 most successful seasons in the last 30 odd years. I am also pretty sure that Huth is on a much higher wage than most of our current crop of defenders. In his last two years at Stoke Huth missed many, many games through injury. It is easy to forget that Robert Huth is not always injury free. Huth's last contract at Stoke was due to end in 2016. We sold him for decent money. He has done brilliantly for Leicester who could probably sell him for a small profit if they chose to at the end of the season. Wonder if they would consider a swap deal with Wolfy his alleged injury problem have miraculously disappeared, despite his wage demands he would still be a better option than at least five of our current crop of so called defenders, you pay peanuts you get monkeys not organ grinders.
PS we sold him for £3million decent money really we paid £7million for Joselu and £2.75 million for Wolfy, by comparison his fee looks like a fire sale.
We only got £3M because no one else in the whole of football was prepared to pay more. Joselu was £5.75M. Leicester paid £9M on Andrej Kramaric. Some deals are better than others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 21:44:54 GMT
Round and round in fucking circles. Yes, people don't rate Wollscheid. Yes, people rate Huth. Yes, we needed CB cover. Is there anything else earth shattering that's been revealed in these weekly threads since last summer? Or is it the same shite each time? Bring something new to the table at least or don't bother. We are waiting for the manager to do that, tick tock there is a reason for the weekly threads since last summer can you tell what it is yet No, that's the thing. I can't. What's the point of them? To get enough people for an angry mob to bring Huth back? To oust Hughes? To kidnap Wollscheid? I'm lost.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Apr 24, 2016 21:50:29 GMT
Fucks sake Huths gone Huth was the king long live the King. What are we supposed to do ask Leicister if they will sell him back to us. Leicester's back four has been the same for the majority of their games; ours has been injury ravaged. Personally I think whilst Woolly isn't perfect he's niot deserving of some of the bile posted on here. A fit Shawcross is what we all yearn for; at the moment he's far from that.
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