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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 21:20:49 GMT
If I had a pound for every time this shit is spouted on here I'd be a millionaire.
I wouldn't be surprised if some pipe accused Butland of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 21:22:20 GMT
I offer nothing defensively
and thats a fact
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 19, 2016 21:23:15 GMT
Enough about the manager, what about the players? Don't think they bring much defensive prowess to the table either????
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 19, 2016 21:25:45 GMT
Look at the top two teams everyone of them work chase and tackle , you cant carry three or four players and we do
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 21:32:59 GMT
The brainwashed would be saying the same if we signed Messi.
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Post by march4 on Apr 19, 2016 21:37:18 GMT
The brainwashed would be saying the same if we signed Messi. Never rated the lad. He can't track back, head the ball nor tackle. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2016 21:42:07 GMT
The brainwashed would be saying the same if we signed Messi. Never rated the lad. He can't track back, head the ball nor tackle. Cheers Kempo |
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Post by samba :) on Apr 19, 2016 21:50:11 GMT
The brainwashed would be saying the same if we signed Messi. Never rated the lad. He can't track back, head the ball nor tackle. nothing a few weeks on loan with pulis can't sort... |
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 19, 2016 21:52:46 GMT
How many games was it Butland went without conceding earlier in the season. Wasn't it a record:?
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Post by padders01 on Apr 19, 2016 21:58:18 GMT
Offers very little offensively as well
That's the bigger problem
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2016 22:17:10 GMT
Was there another need for a Wolly thread.  |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2016 9:27:21 GMT
That fucking Aguero guy is useless. He offers nothing defensively  |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2016 9:28:24 GMT
Was there another need for a Wolly thread. Oh I thought we were talking about N'Zonzi Mind you, he offered nothing in attack either.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 20, 2016 9:29:12 GMT
Was there another need for a Wolly thread. Oh I thought we were talking about N'Zonzi Mind you, he offered nothing in attack either. We still miss him.... |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2016 9:38:24 GMT
Oh I thought we were talking about N'Zonzi Mind you, he offered nothing in attack either. We still miss him.... I assume you mean the club, as opposed to me and you? I personally don't miss the tantrums, the yearly transfer requests, daddy getting involved, his seemingly shit on-field and off-field attitude. The team has missed N'Zonzi somewhat, but nobody is irreplaceable. Other players have filled in and we've signed a guy who has the raw ability to surpass N'Zonzi by miles. I like N'Zonzi as a footballer, but I dislike him as a human being and I've always made that quite clear on here. So no, I don't miss him. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2016 9:42:43 GMT
It depends on position.
We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles where that doesn't really matter (Bojan).
We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles that require them to offer something defensively (Shaqiri, Imbula).
The latter, obviously, is a bit of a problem.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 20, 2016 9:45:25 GMT
If we want most of our players to defend then we need to buy more defensive minded players. It's no use signing Shaqiri and expecting him to be amazing in defence. He's a 5ft 5" creative attacking midfielder.
I still expect him to put a bit of a shift in, of course we all do but why would he be able to offer anything defensively? He could do all the leg work in the world and still be useless at defending.
Playing the formation we do, it's impossible for our attacking players to also offer much defensively. We either need to let them play with a freedom or change the formation. Arnie is the best at the defensive side but I still wouldn't say I trust him within 30 yards of his own goal. Like I'm sure everybody else would, I'd love to see a side consisting of Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri behind the striker but, in reality, is that ever going to work on a consistent basis?
Having said that, Imbula should be offering miles more defensively given his role but I'll judge him more next season when we've got a grip of him.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 20, 2016 9:47:51 GMT
It depends on position. We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles where that doesn't really matter (Bojan). We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles that require them to offer something defensively (Shaqiri, Imbula). The latter, obviously, is a bit of a problem. I'm really referring to the negative attitude of a fair few of our support. Always looking over their shoulders. I blame it on 10 years of dumbing down expectation - evidently it takes a few years to shake off. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2016 9:53:14 GMT
The Zonz has been a huge miss this season, he was the beating heart of the Hughes revolution.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2016 9:57:44 GMT
It depends on position. We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles where that doesn't really matter (Bojan). We have some players who offer nothing defensively in roles that require them to offer something defensively (Shaqiri, Imbula). The latter, obviously, is a bit of a problem. I'm really referring to the negative attitude of a fair few of our support. Always looking over their shoulders. I blame it on 10 years of dumbing down expectation - evidently it takes a few years to shake off. I know what you mean, there's one or two pillorying us for not looking like a top 6 team who were calling us ungrateful bastards for not being happy with 40 points not so long ago. Always there, under the surface. |
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Post by senojbor on Apr 20, 2016 14:44:17 GMT
I'm really referring to the negative attitude of a fair few of our support. Always looking over their shoulders. I blame it on 10 years of dumbing down expectation - evidently it takes a few years to shake off. I know what you mean, there's one or two pillorying us for not looking like a top 6 team who were calling us ungrateful bastards for not being happy with 40 points not so long ago. Always there, under the surface. There's nothing 'under the surface' The last two performances have been piss poor in anyone's book. After a poor start all the good work later has been undone in the last few weeks. Look again at some of the eight goals we've conceded in the last two game - schoolboy stuff The manager has to deal with this and address the work-rate of some of the players, it's not good enough by a long way |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2016 14:53:08 GMT
I know what you mean, there's one or two pillorying us for not looking like a top 6 team who were calling us ungrateful bastards for not being happy with 40 points not so long ago. Always there, under the surface. There's nothing 'under the surface' The last two performances have been piss poor in anyone's book. After a poor start all the good work later has been undone in the last few weeks. Look again at some of the eight goals we've conceded in the last two game - schoolboy stuff The manager has to deal with this and address the work-rate of some of the players, it's not good enough by a long way Who's saying it is? |
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Post by cozmick on Apr 20, 2016 15:57:27 GMT
Opened thread to find........Wolly, left disappointed.
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 20, 2016 16:05:10 GMT
We have been very vunrable defensively since Imbula came into the side after his enitional first few games, and not really creating anything going forward..yes we should give him time of cause...but I think he is part of the problem at this moment in time..
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2016 16:11:43 GMT
I'm really referring to the negative attitude of a fair few of our support. Always looking over their shoulders. I blame it on 10 years of dumbing down expectation - evidently it takes a few years to shake off. I know what you mean, there's one or two pillorying us for not looking like a top 6 team who were calling us ungrateful bastards for not being happy with 40 points not so long ago. Always there, under the surface. No disrespect, Rob but I’d say you’re one of the biggest critics of Hughes on this board aren’t you? Most of it’s constructive but you seem to find a hell of a lot more wrong with his approach than most, unless I’ve misunderstood? |
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Post by imho on Apr 20, 2016 16:39:58 GMT
If I had a pound for every time this shit is spouted on here I'd be a millionaire. I wouldn't be surprised if some pipe accused Butland of it. It's offensively Butland offers nothing, the last keeper we had could chip in with the goals. Fuck him off  |
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 20, 2016 21:19:06 GMT
The thing is whether we like it or not in the prem you have to have all 11 players chipping in and showing a bit of desire and all pitching in with defending. If that does not happen you end up conceeding 20 + goal attempts at home(which must be some kind of record for a home team) and being sliced through like butter. At the moment our entire midfield offer feck all defensively. I could accept that if all of our flair midfield players offered more going forward and all of our games were like the 4-3 Everton game and a case of whatever you score we will score more. However we have been utter sh^te going forward for the majority of the season. The lack of any protection from midfield is now exposing mediocre defenders like Muni, Cameron & Wolly too.
Some big changes in clientele, tactics and formation before the start of the next campaign. I cant see what he is trying to do or where he is going with this crop of players. At the moment there is no balance to the team and very little passion or effort. We have taken 5 or 6 beatings in the 2nd half of this seson and are slowly returning to the push overs we once were for 23 years before our return to the topflight.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 20, 2016 21:25:47 GMT
John stones doesn't offer much defensively and he's supposed to be a centre half :-)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2016 21:28:20 GMT
I know what you mean, there's one or two pillorying us for not looking like a top 6 team who were calling us ungrateful bastards for not being happy with 40 points not so long ago. Always there, under the surface. No disrespect, Rob but I’d say you’re one of the biggest critics of Hughes on this board aren’t you? Most of it’s constructive but you seem to find a hell of a lot more wrong with his approach than most, unless I’ve misunderstood? I'm a big fan of the manager but worried about things this season, absolutely. My issue isn't so much that as one of consistency and hypocrisy. What I object to is the mysteriously raised standards of people who told us we should be forever grateful to scrape 40 points a season now screaming blue mirder because Europe isn't going to happen. |
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