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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 21, 2016 14:10:35 GMT
He's almost in a position where he can't not pick Alli now. If he's fit, he starts. Agreed, especially with Barkley suffering in the Martinez malaise at Everton. Kane and Alli have to start. Rooney will start if fit. Hart Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose (Baines a busted flush? Shaw nowhere fit enough) Dier Alli Wilshere Wellbeck Rooney Kane Not saying this is right or wrong, just what I think he'll go for. It relies on Wellbeck for width but with no orthodox winger the full backs need to bomb forward and we'll have Sterling on the bench, along with Milner, Vardy, Lallana, Sturbridge et al I'm already managing my expectations.
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Post by borat on Apr 21, 2016 14:19:06 GMT
No stoke players No not picking people because stoke don't like them Mine: Hart Walker. Cahill smalling rose Dier. drinkwater Alli Walcot. kane. Sterling Anybody that picks Walcott in the squad let alone the first team is stupid, to Quote an Arsenal fan at work " he's absolute dogshit who can run fast and that's all he can do"
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 21, 2016 15:49:40 GMT
Did you see Lallana's air shot the other day when he had the goal at his mercy? Hilarious stuff. If we're being honest, Milner is a better shout. 5 goals and 11 assists this season. Significantly more productive than his media darling counterpart (3 goals, 6 assists). He's another player (like Lallana and Vardy and Rooney and others) who is better infield than out wide. I wouldn't start any of them there, though I think he'll take them all. I don't see what Lallana has done to justify a seat on the plane. Apart from play for Liverpool. As for Vardy being best utilised from the bench.... That reminds me of somebody else from our recent past. Keep your best players on the bench as potential impact subs? Triffic, Nige.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2016 15:50:40 GMT
He's another player (like Lallana and Vardy and Rooney and others) who is better infield than out wide. I wouldn't start any of them there, though I think he'll take them all. I don't see what Lallana has done to justify a seat on the plane. Apart from play for Liverpool. As for Vardy being best utilised from the bench.... That reminds me of somebody else from our recent past. Keep your best players on the bench as potential impact subs? Triffic, Nige. Are you seriously suggesting Jamie Vardy is one of England's best players?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 21, 2016 15:54:09 GMT
I don't see what Lallana has done to justify a seat on the plane. Apart from play for Liverpool. As for Vardy being best utilised from the bench.... That reminds me of somebody else from our recent past. Keep your best players on the bench as potential impact subs? Triffic, Nige. Are you seriously suggesting Jamie Vardy is one of England's best players? I'm suggesting he's one of the most in form English players over the past 12 months. Maybe form isn't the right word. The run has perhaps gone on a bit too long now for it to be form. It started at the end of last season and continued throughout this. He's scored 22 and looks like he will spearhead Leicester to the premiership title. When you throw into the mix his 2 goals in a game and a bit for England in the last couple of matches, yes, I'd suggest he's done a heck of a lot more than the likes of Welbeck, Sturridge, Lallana et al.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2016 15:58:02 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting Jamie Vardy is one of England's best players? I'm suggesting he's one of the most in form English players over the past 12 months. Maybe form isn't the right word. The run has perhaps gone on a bit too long now for it to be form. It started at the end of last season and continued throughout this. He's scored 22 and looks like he will spearhead Leicester to the premiership title. When you throw into the mix his 2 goals in a game and a bit for England in the last couple of matches, yes, I'd suggest he's done a heck of a lot more than the likes of Welbeck, Sturridge, Lallana et al. So not 'best' then, which is the comparison you were making. Even following that logic, you don't just cram your 'best' players into the team anywhere. That's what McClaren tried to do. Vardy by and large has looked lost out wide. He's best as part of a front two as a central striker. He was used to brilliant effect as an impact sub against Germany. That's his best role.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:00:01 GMT
I'm suggesting he's one of the most in form English players over the past 12 months. Maybe form isn't the right word. The run has perhaps gone on a bit too long now for it to be form. It started at the end of last season and continued throughout this. He's scored 22 and looks like he will spearhead Leicester to the premiership title. When you throw into the mix his 2 goals in a game and a bit for England in the last couple of matches, yes, I'd suggest he's done a heck of a lot more than the likes of Welbeck, Sturridge, Lallana et al. So not 'best' then, which is the comparison you were making. Even following that logic, you don't just cram your 'best' players into the team anywhere. That's what McClaren tried to do. Vardy by and large has looked lost out wide. He's best as part of a front two as a central striker. He was used to brilliant effect as an impact sub against Germany. That's his best role. I'd play him on the left ahead of Raheem friggin Sterling. I don't care how much of a square peg he'd be, he couldn't do any worse than that useless cunt I fear you are falling into the media darling trap, Rob.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:00:35 GMT
So not 'best' then, which is the comparison you were making. Even following that logic, you don't just cram your 'best' players into the team anywhere. That's what McClaren tried to do. Vardy by and large has looked lost out wide. He's best as part of a front two as a central striker. He was used to brilliant effect as an impact sub against Germany. That's his best role. I'd play him on the left ahead of Raheem friggin Sterling. I don't care how much of a square peg he'd be, he couldn't do any worse than that useless cunt I fear you are falling into the media darling trap, Rob. What media darling trap?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:02:57 GMT
I'd play him on the left ahead of Raheem friggin Sterling. I don't care how much of a square peg he'd be, he couldn't do any worse than that useless cunt I fear you are falling into the media darling trap, Rob. What media darling trap? If they play for big clubs, they should play for England.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:10:40 GMT
If they play for big clubs, they should play for England. What a load of bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 21, 2016 16:14:05 GMT
Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Wilshere (if fit) Alli Sterling Kane Welbeck Yeah I'd go with that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 21, 2016 16:17:55 GMT
I haven't got any issue with Welbeck playing on the left to be honest - and I think that's what he'll open the tournament with.
Most of the team's inked in now - with only the third member of the midfield (alongside the Spurs duo) and who'll play on the right up for grabs. Can't help but feel this'll be where he crams Rooney in, despite him knowing it's the wrong call
Is Henderson likely to miss the tournament?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:20:43 GMT
I haven't got any issue with Welbeck playing on the left to be honest - and I think that's what he'll open the tournament with. Most of the team's inked in now - with only the third member of the midfield (alongside the Spurs duo) and who'll play on the right up for grabs. Can't help but feel this'll be where he crams Rooney in, despite him knowing it's the wrong call Is Henderson likely to miss the tournament? Let's hope so. What is the point of him?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 21, 2016 16:21:17 GMT
I haven't got any issue with Welbeck playing on the left to be honest - and I think that's what he'll open the tournament with. Most of the team's inked in now - with only the third member of the midfield (alongside the Spurs duo) and who'll play on the right up for grabs. Can't help but feel this'll be where he crams Rooney in, despite him knowing it's the wrong call Is Henderson likely to miss the tournament? Rooney should be on the bench. Welbeck shouldn't be in the starting XI either. We're short of genuine options as wide attackers. If Townsend continues his form I wouldn't rule him out. It should have sod all to do with whether you play for Arsenal or Liverpool.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 1, 2016 8:18:09 GMT
I can just about live with Welbeck, although Vardy would be my personal choice. I'm just glad your boner for Lallana has gone. Townsend is looking decent mind. I'd play Lallana wide before I played Vardy wide. Striker on the wing because he's dead fast, Triffic Nige. Townsend has done well at Castle so far. He'll be the best winger in the Championship. Are you sure about that? Another great goal yesterday. Match winner.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 8:19:47 GMT
I'd play Lallana wide before I played Vardy wide. Striker on the wing because he's dead fast, Triffic Nige. Townsend has done well at Castle so far. He'll be the best winger in the Championship. Are you sure about that? Another great goal yesterday. Match winner. He's been excellent since he's been there. Will take a bit more than that to erase years' worth of running really fast in a straight line and booting it into the stands though.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 1, 2016 8:30:35 GMT
Are you sure about that? Another great goal yesterday. Match winner. He's been excellent since he's been there. Will take a bit more than that to erase years' worth of running really fast in a straight line and booting it into the stands though. Stick with Lallana then...
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 8:57:10 GMT
He's been excellent since he's been there. Will take a bit more than that to erase years' worth of running really fast in a straight line and booting it into the stands though. Stick with Lallana then... Bore off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 13:11:02 GMT
I reckon he'll go;
Hart
Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose
Dier Rooney
Sterling Alli Welbeck
Kane
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 14:39:43 GMT
England Fans
Just - prepare to be disappointed
VERY DISAPPOINTED
again
and, if you feel you were let down by Stoke City this time around
your gonna be pretty suicidal by the end of June !
cos when all comes to all - in spite of the hype - and the masses of resource expended on the England entourage
They're 'just a set of bottlers' when it comes to the big time
you'll see
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 14:53:28 GMT
England Fans Just - prepare to be disappointed VERY DISAPPOINTED
again and, if you feel you were let down by Stoke City this time around your gonna be pretty suicidal by the end of June ! cos when all comes to all - in spite of the hype - and the masses of resource expended on the England entourage They're 'just a set of bottlers' when it comes to the big time you'll see Like Stoke Tone, people don't watch with expectation. They just support their team.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 1, 2016 17:49:39 GMT
Stick with Lallana then... Bore off. Sterling HAS to start..........
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 1, 2016 17:50:17 GMT
I reckon he'll go; Hart Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose Dier Rooney Sterling Alli Welbeck Kane Rooney in midfield? And Sterling? Jesus wept.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 18:29:16 GMT
Banks
Wilson Charlton Moore Cohen
Peters Stiles Ball Charlton
Hunt Hurst
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Post by luke45 on May 1, 2016 18:57:27 GMT
On the evidence of England's last few games I think the 4-2-3-1 seems to be a better option than the diamond which has been used on occasions. We set up as 4-2-3-1 in our win in Germany and reverted back to the diamond for our defeat to Holland, hopefully those two games have made Hodgson's mind up that the diamond isn't our best system.
I think at the moment I'd be going for:
Hart
Walker - Cahill - Smalling - Rose
Milner - Dier
Rooney - Alli - Welbeck/Vardy
Kane
Central midfield has always been Milner's best position in my opinion and I'd be quite happy to slot his experience and discipline in alongside Eric Dier, I think they'd be pretty solid as a two.
I agree with what has been said previously in the thread, Vardy should probably be used as an impact sub coming on and stretching defences with his pace in the latter stages of the game, Welbeck is probably a reliable choice to start in a wide position as I'm confident he'll fulfill his defensive duties as well.
I can certainly see the reasons behind not starting Rooney but I think I'd still be including him at the moment. In recent games for England, Adam Lallana has been used out wide and I'd know who I'd prefer playing there out of the two.
I'm still not won over by Danny Rose defensively but he's probably earned a start based on his form this season. I still think Leighton Baines should travel as well and be considered but he's probably not played enough football this season to warrant a start.
The centre back pairing is pretty depressing but I think Cahill and Smalling is what Hodgson will go with. Smalling has probably been England's most consistent centre back for the last 12 months and Cahill will probably start for his tournament experience.
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Post by Bowyer83 on May 1, 2016 19:02:05 GMT
Hart Walker Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Sterling Rooney Ali Welbeck Kane
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 1, 2016 19:08:25 GMT
I reckon he'll go; Hart Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose Dier Rooney Sterling Alli Welbeck Kane I'd be happy with that. I also think he'll put Rooney in the middle. I don't really know why there's so many against him. He's still easily one of our best players when fit, has the experience of major tournaments (regardless of his WC goalscoring record) and is probably the best passer of the ball we have. For the record, I think it'd be the right call to play Rooney alongside either Dier or Henderson in the centre. It'll allow us to keep the ball a little better in there and hopefully relieve the pressure on our woeful defence.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 1, 2016 19:31:26 GMT
I'd play Sterling. He's a good player and he's a proper winger.
If Rooney has to play, might as well be in midfield. Whose place is he taking there really?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2016 19:55:01 GMT
I reckon he'll go; Hart Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose Dier Rooney Sterling Alli Welbeck Kane Rooney in midfield? And Sterling? Jesus wept. I think he'll put Rooney there or on the right wing with Wilshere in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:08:40 GMT
Banks Wilson Charlton Moore Cohen Peters Stiles Ball Charlton Hunt Hurst Marc Wilson is Irish mate, Soz.
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