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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 17:57:23 GMT
On 47, needing 7 to equal and 8 to beat it
Stoke V Spurs Man c V Stoke Stoke V Sunderland Crystal Palace V Stoke Stoke v West Ham
Looking tough isn't it from here; 2 difficult fixtures to end on and the one that stands out as most likely to yield points Sunderland is going to be against an Allardyce team probably in the last chance saloon
Myself Im going for loss, loss, win (but far from guaranteed), draw (again difficult fixture) and draw (against a very good west ham side) so 52 points at best. Not that confident about getting owt at Palace based on record there. Even a win instead of a draw somewhere will only tie with last season.
It would be one of Stoke's greatest achievements to beat 54 points from here, wouldn't make headlines but would mean some real roll your sleeves up stuff but looks out of reach
Beating Spurs is the only chance of doing it, another 4 or 5 points would look achievable then - tough but achievable. Monday is the last opportunity, to me at least for the season to carry meaning
What do you all reckon, is it doable or are you even less optimistic?
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 14, 2016 18:01:18 GMT
Optimistic View: Beat Spurs, Sunderland, Palace and West Ham. 12 points.
Pessimistic View: Draws against Sunderland and Palace. 2 points.
So hopefully somewhere in between. 7 points would do.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 14, 2016 18:04:59 GMT
Optimistic View: Beat Spurs, Sunderland, Palace and West Ham. 12 points. Pessimistic View: Draws against Sunderland and Palace. 2 points. So hopefully somewhere in between. 7 points would do. Intelligent way of putting it! 7 pts. is 2 wins and a draw. A win on Monday would be a massive boost.
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Post by redwhite on Apr 14, 2016 18:05:08 GMT
Knowing us we'll beat Spurs and Citeh and lose the rest.
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 18:16:16 GMT
Wonder how Hughes will sum up the season if they get less than 54 points??
Been a really weird season, almost as if the real Stoke have never turned up, so inconsistent. Almost been like a pre season
Without Arnautovic's goals we would have been way further down; we wouldn't have been relegated but I think there would have been some uncomfortable times where we might have been like Palace and only just ensured safety. This is it, we could end up on 57 points(unlikely0 or just stumble over the 50 point mark. its crazy really.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 18:20:19 GMT
Injuries have wrecked us again. Points wise it's been a good season already, all things considered.
If we don't get anymore we've still done okay.
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Post by retired1 on Apr 14, 2016 18:23:01 GMT
Struggling to get past 4 more points for me.
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 18:25:49 GMT
Injuries have wrecked us again. Points wise it's been a good season already, all things considered. If we don't get anymore we've still done okay. It probably is decent considering the injuries
With a fully fit squad it would have been criminal though
It will of course, raise questions again over transfer windows, cb cover etc
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 18:27:52 GMT
Struggling to get past 4 more points for me. 51 points then
Lets be honest, Tone would kill for 51 points so we can be smug that our underachievement is his wildest dream
Just flooding back to me , how the fuck did we lose twice to that shit down the road??!!??!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 18:33:00 GMT
Very. We'll win 3 more games
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Post by roostershair on Apr 14, 2016 18:39:17 GMT
Only 3? Have faith dear boy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 18:42:29 GMT
7 more points at the very best for me. Whatever points tally at the close of season adds up to an 8th place finish I'll be very pleased as it would be a slight improvement on last season's placing and given the bad luck we've had with long and short term injuries over the season I'd say we've done very well.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 14, 2016 18:58:16 GMT
I think we will lose the next two before going on to win the final 3 games
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Post by trincostokie on Apr 14, 2016 19:01:08 GMT
What's with all the doom and gloom-mongery? Nothing EVER goes as per expectation for Stoke. 9 more points is nailed on for me, versus Spuds, Pardew's Palarse and the Sham. Sunderland to rob us blind and bugger all from the Etihad, which will be the only non-surprise twixt now and the season's end. So 9 points, 8th place, 56 points in total. What's all the feckin fuss about? Keep the faith fellow Stokies...keep the faith!
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 19:08:44 GMT
7 more points at the very best for me. Whatever points tally at the close of season adds up to an 8th place finish I'll be very pleased as it would be a slight improvement on last season's placing and given the bad luck we've had with long and short term injuries over the season I'd say we've done very well. Will we finish 8th though, points regardless?? Liverpool are a point ahead with 2 games in hand - we aint catching them methinks. Southampton are catchable only if we in Monday. I fancy Chelsea to finish above us. I reckon 10th is nailed on, although with a game in hand Everton could well catch us especially if we drop points.
For me I see points more as progression than places or at least as equal ; points you've earned, but places are as much down to how wank other teams are - just ask Leicester
then again finishing 5th on 65 points or 10th on 70 points is kind of a nobrainer. Just seems that increasing points each season is good progress and generally league places should follow
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 19:08:51 GMT
Sadly, Im not very confident at all
knocked the stuffing out of me - the last three league games have
The liverpool one - tactically out thought and out fought by their B side -( humiliating actually)
Swansea - was just a rank bad outing by overtired players run into the ground whilst on international duty and, an abysmal /
disasterous substitution policy from a manager seemingly not understanding this ( bizarre was that)
and Southampton was about being out thought and and out fought again, simply by a better football team and cleverer manager
Saying all that, Id have never have dreamed but a few years ago - we would be a safe - mid-table premier league looking up instead
of down but, thats what we are right now - and wonderful to relate
Sadly Though even given the injuries, they fooled me into believing this was the season we might even climb into the top six or seven
And again Sadly, recent form seems to have pretty much proven, we are quite ways off that
Hope they prove me wrong (again)
And Hughesy - massive asset to us but should not be so arrogant as to not realise his own mistakes sometimes
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 14, 2016 19:15:37 GMT
We must be the hardest team to predict. I am kind of hoping Shawcross can come good quickly. Spuds & City will be about keeping the score down and we will need a good performance from our captain and keeper to do that.
We should be able able to compete with the other 3 teams, Pieters will be back and our captain will have had a few more games under his belt also.
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 19:15:38 GMT
What's with all the doom and gloom-mongery? Nothing EVER goes as per expectation for Stoke. 9 more points is nailed on for me, versus Spuds, Pardew's Palarse and the Sham. Sunderland to rob us blind and bugger all from the Etihad, which will be the only non-surprise twixt now and the season's end. So 9 points, 8th place, 56 points in total. What's all the feckin fuss about? Keep the faith fellow Stokies...keep the faith! IF we beat Spurs, then I will believe...
Palace are wank but their pace always does us at the best of times let alone with a Crewe Alex defence!! Then again, they are at home with nothing to play for so it should be an open game with them not playing counter attack so perhaps its a game for Diouf and Bojan to get at THEIR back four for once.
Think we've all given up on Man C.
West Ham; depends if there is anything European riding on it for them. Last game and all that could swing it though against a really decent side
You could be right and you will be right on a mackem mugging that's for sure - but it starts or falls on monday
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 14, 2016 19:19:35 GMT
Sadly, Im not very confident at all knocked the stuffing out of me - the last three league games have The liverpool one - tactically out thought and out fought by their B side -( humiliating actually) Swansea - was just a rank bad outing by overtired players run into the ground whilst on international duty and, an abysmal / disasterous substitution policy from a manager seemingly not understanding this ( bizarre was that) and Southampton was about being out thought and and out fought again, simply by a better football team and cleverer manager Saying all that, Id have never have dreamed but a few years ago - we would be a safe - mid-table premier league looking up instead
of down but, thats what we are right now - and wonderful to relate Sadly Though even given the injuries, they fooled me into believing this was the season we might even climb into the top six or seven Sadly, recent form seems to have pretty much proven, we are quite ways off that Hope they prove me wrong (again) And Hughesy - massive asset to us but should not be so arrogant as to not realise his own mistakes sometimes its amazing aint it when you see it in black & white and unthinkable 20 years ago when losing at home to Oxford UTD (yes, Gordon Marshall)
Lets not have simple truths like this distorted by the cast of trainspotting from the east midlands in a freak season
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Post by Davef on Apr 14, 2016 19:32:23 GMT
Sadly, Im not very confident at all knocked the stuffing out of me - the last three league games have The liverpool one - tactically out thought and out fought by their B side -( humiliating actually) Swansea - was just a rank bad outing by overtired players run into the ground whilst on international duty and, an abysmal / disasterous substitution policy from a manager seemingly not understanding this ( bizarre was that) and Southampton was about being out thought and and out fought again, simply by a better football team and cleverer manager Saying all that, Id have never have dreamed but a few years ago - we would be a safe - mid-table premier league looking up instead of down but, thats what we are right now - and wonderful to relate Sadly Though even given the injuries, they fooled me into believing this was the season we might even climb into the top six or seven And again Sadly, recent form seems to have pretty much proven, we are quite ways off that Hope they prove me wrong (again) And Hughesy - massive asset to us but should not be so arrogant as to not realise his own mistakes sometimes Do you think we'd have been "tactically out-thought" by Liverpool had Jack Butland been in goal? No, me neither.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 19:34:00 GMT
Sadly, Im not very confident at all knocked the stuffing out of me - the last three league games have The liverpool one - tactically out thought and out fought by their B side -( humiliating actually) Swansea - was just a rank bad outing by overtired players run into the ground whilst on international duty and, an abysmal / disasterous substitution policy from a manager seemingly not understanding this ( bizarre was that) and Southampton was about being out thought and and out fought again, simply by a better football team and cleverer manager Saying all that, Id have never have dreamed but a few years ago - we would be a safe - mid-table premier league looking up instead of down but, thats what we are right now - and wonderful to relate Sadly Though even given the injuries, they fooled me into believing this was the season we might even climb into the top six or seven And again Sadly, recent form seems to have pretty much proven, we are quite ways off that Hope they prove me wrong (again) And Hughesy - massive asset to us but should not be so arrogant as to not realise his own mistakes sometimes Fuck me you're one negative fella......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 19:37:26 GMT
Just being honest - they've put a massive dent in my confidence recently
And Dave F - Liverpool - They put a young lad on in the second half who ran rings around us whilst our manager sat in his dugout looking at the floor
(I know - I watched them both)
dont get me wrong -I like Hughesy but, hes far from perfect and in my eyes recently - in truth, his 'halo's slipped a bit
This is all I'm saying
maybe though - he is so 'absolutely wonderful and such a 'fantastic genius' in all things football - ' he is beyond reproach ?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 14, 2016 19:38:33 GMT
This is something that we definitely have to improve on in the last 5 games and next season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 19:46:36 GMT
and dont forget - we're lethal from corneres and fee kicks dontcha know
but shhhhhhh Dont Try and pin any of this on our 'fantastic tactical footballing genius' of a manager
the 'thought police' will surely intervene
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 14, 2016 19:49:27 GMT
and dont forget - we're lethal from corneres and fee kicks dontcha know but shhhhhhh Dont Try and pin any of this on our 'fantastic tactical footballing genius' of a manager the 'thought police' will surely intervene The thought police on here as you call them Tony take over most threads in time especially if you dare question the management team
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 14, 2016 19:56:16 GMT
It's funny that the thought police pre 2013 have all but disappeared though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 19:57:57 GMT
Predicting stoke is harder than the bloody lottery. Were capable of getting the amount easily. However were just as bloody capable of getting 0. Personally I think we will get the 8 to beat it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 20:03:39 GMT
Be Absolutely typical of Stoke City to go and win next Monday we all know this to be soooo possible ! and so joyous / bloody frustrating at the same time given, recent performances against plainly inferior teams (to Spurs)
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Post by samba :) on Apr 14, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
I wouldn't mind justing beating the 51 in the first season considering our dreadful injuries
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Apr 14, 2016 20:11:53 GMT
Its amazing to think that we are going to go through a full season without a goal from a corner.
I think we should have had a few points more this year. Possibilities to take points from anyone with the usual suspects struggling in comparison. It feels like a disappointing season when it shouldn't.
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