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Post by metalhead on Mar 31, 2016 18:44:01 GMT
Not really, we have picked some younger players yes, but we're still relying on old donkeys like Jagielka (who is well past it) and James Milner. We're also picking young players who aren't even playing regular football. The Germans picked players regardless of 'prestige'. Unfit injury prone players like Jack Wilshere, shouldn't be a shoe in for the England team. The Germans picked the best players for the squad, not average players playing for the best teams. Are we 'relying on them'? They were part of the second string on Tuesday. I wouldn't pick either, but it's not like the team's built around them. The fact they're in the squad vindicates my point. Look at the German squad in 2004 and 2006. They didn't just 'drop' the old guard, they binned them altogether. There are better younger players than Phil Jagielka and James Milner who for some reason keep getting overlooked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:54:00 GMT
Cheers,I think. Although, being somebody who detests the Amercanisation (is that even a word) of modern day society I take great offence to being called such a thing Not sure. You were supposed to take offence, that's why I called it you Here's the thing. I don't have a problem with England because they don't pick Shawcross (despite your earlier inference). I find it impossible to be enthusiastic about England because we never learn from our mistakes. Other countries make mistakes but then they learn from those fuck ups. Take Germany, Euro 2004. They made a number of mistakes, biggest of which was they relied on the old guard (now 2 years older) from World Cup 2002 to deliver another top performance. Subsequently, Germany failed at the group stages drawing with Latvia, who I believe might have been the lowest ranked team in the competition. What did they do? They had a mass clear out. The old guard (other than a few select individuals) were moved on, manager gone, they went in a whole new direction. They bedded in younger players (like Podolski and Schweinsteiger) and blended youthfulness with experience. World Cup 2006? Semi Final. Euro 2008? Final. World Cup 2010? Semi Final. Euro 2012? Semi Final. World Cup 2014? Winner. Germany made mistakes, but what they did was act upon those mistakes. Us? Nope. The English never learn from their mistakes. We make the same old trivial mistakes every tournament and never seem to learn. That's why we continue to fail, every single time. Spot on mate. Anybody comes on here talking negative about the England team gets slated as anti English. Me, after so many false dawns and awful managerial appointments well I just don't give a flying fuck anymore.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2016 18:55:21 GMT
Not sure. You were supposed to take offence, that's why I called it you Here's the thing. I don't have a problem with England because they don't pick Shawcross (despite your earlier inference). I find it impossible to be enthusiastic about England because we never learn from our mistakes. Other countries make mistakes but then they learn from those fuck ups. Take Germany, Euro 2004. They made a number of mistakes, biggest of which was they relied on the old guard (now 2 years older) from World Cup 2002 to deliver another top performance. Subsequently, Germany failed at the group stages drawing with Latvia, who I believe might have been the lowest ranked team in the competition. What did they do? They had a mass clear out. The old guard (other than a few select individuals) were moved on, manager gone, they went in a whole new direction. They bedded in younger players (like Podolski and Schweinsteiger) and blended youthfulness with experience. World Cup 2006? Semi Final. Euro 2008? Final. World Cup 2010? Semi Final. Euro 2012? Semi Final. World Cup 2014? Winner. Germany made mistakes, but what they did was act upon those mistakes. Us? Nope. The English never learn from their mistakes. We make the same old trivial mistakes every tournament and never seem to learn. That's why we continue to fail, every single time. Spot on mate. Anybody comes on here talking negative about the England team gets slated as anti English. Me, after so many false dawns and awful managerial appointments well I just don't give a flying fuck anymore. Why have you stuck by Stoke then ? That's all a bit shallow mate
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 31, 2016 18:57:13 GMT
Are we 'relying on them'? They were part of the second string on Tuesday. I wouldn't pick either, but it's not like the team's built around them. The fact they're in the squad vindicates my point. Look at the German squad in 2004 and 2006. They didn't just 'drop' the old guard, they binned them altogether. There are better younger players than Phil Jagielka and James Milner who for some reason keep getting overlooked. Did they bin them, or did they retire from international football? Which players are we talking about here?
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2016 19:00:39 GMT
The fact they're in the squad vindicates my point. Look at the German squad in 2004 and 2006. They didn't just 'drop' the old guard, they binned them altogether. There are better younger players than Phil Jagielka and James Milner who for some reason keep getting overlooked. Did they bin them, or did they retire from international football? Which players are we talking about here? They went with the crux of the squad who one year earlier had won the European U21 tournament mate
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 31, 2016 19:05:11 GMT
Did they bin them, or did they retire from international football? Which players are we talking about here? They went with the crux of the squad who one year earlier had won the European U21 tournament mate Cheers Wez. It's a pretty apples and oranges comparison as they've pretty much always been better than us. Looking at their 2004 squad, there's a blend of youth and experience in there, which seems sensible and to be sort of what we're doing as well.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2016 19:06:00 GMT
Germany have never been afraid to play older players if they are up to the job
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Post by metalhead on Mar 31, 2016 19:17:30 GMT
Germany have never been afraid to play older players if they are up to the job whereas we're afraid of dropping old players who aren't up to the job....
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2016 19:19:53 GMT
Germany have never been afraid to play older players if they are up to the job whereas we're afraid of dropping old players who aren't up to the job.... I agree , or playing younger players who just aren't ready yet and should stay in the under 21squad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 19:22:23 GMT
Spot on mate. Anybody comes on here talking negative about the England team gets slated as anti English. Me, after so many false dawns and awful managerial appointments well I just don't give a flying fuck anymore. Why have you stuck by Stoke then ? That's all a bit shallow mate Oh, here we go again. The clue is in the word England!. My home town club is where my allegiance and priorities lie no matter what ups and downs we have. What do you find shallow about that!.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2016 19:25:23 GMT
Why have you stuck by Stoke then ? That's all a bit shallow mate Oh, here we go again. The clue is in the word England!. My home town club is where my allegiance and priorities lie no matter what ups and downs we have. What do you find shallow about that!. Yep....here we go again is very apt as that's the usual line many come out with Your home town club is in within the country of England For some reason it's one or the other with many on here but hey ho
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 19:28:22 GMT
Oh, here we go again. The clue is in the word England!. My home town club is where my allegiance and priorities lie no matter what ups and downs we have. What do you find shallow about that!. Yep....here we go again is very apt as that's the usual line many come out with Your home town club is in within the country of England For some reason it's one or the other with many on here but hey ho Are you Roy Hodgsons love child?. God save the queen guv'nor.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 31, 2016 19:29:02 GMT
Germany have never been afraid to play older players if they are up to the job whereas we're afraid of dropping old players who aren't up to the job.... He has dropped a lot of them though, or they've retired. Hodgson can be criticised a lot but it seems odd to use youth as a stick to beat him with when if anything the young players he's brought through has been the saving grace of his reign.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 31, 2016 19:32:53 GMT
Oh ffs. Why don't we see if tony Adams is busy this summer?
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2016 19:33:49 GMT
Yep....here we go again is very apt as that's the usual line many come out with Your home town club is in within the country of England For some reason it's one or the other with many on here but hey ho Are you Roy Hodgsons love child?. God save the queen guv'nor. What has Roy Hodgson got to do with it ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 19:39:32 GMT
Are you Roy Hodgsons love child?. God save the queen guv'nor. What has Roy Hodgson got to do with it ? Isn't he the Liverpool and Albion flop who is now England manager. Keep up old bean!.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2016 19:41:41 GMT
What has Roy Hodgson got to do with it ? Isn't he the Liverpool and Albion flop who is now England manager. Keep up old bean!. I'm lost completely now I'll retire from this one I think
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Post by spoton on Mar 31, 2016 19:50:41 GMT
Best thing Shawcross can do is switch to left side when he returns, 100% guaranteed a place (,oh he plays for Stoke well we can do without a left centre half)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 20:04:01 GMT
I can't understand why some people are surprised by most people's apathy towards England.
Once you reach the age of, I don't know, 20ish and have seen England fail again and again by squeezing the big name players and a handful of manager's favourites into the team every single tournament it's hard to watch games with anything other than a mentality of hoping for the best and expecting the worst.
Does Rooney deserve to be a guaranteed starter? Do Wilshere and Delph deserve to even be on the plane? Will England really benefit from not getting Vardy and Kane into the team even though they've been on fire since the end of last season? The thing is though it's so obvious what will happen in all those situations (and many others) that it's hard to even get annoyed by it anymore.
You can only watch somebody shoot themselves in the foot so many times before you start to think it's not worth getting upset about.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 31, 2016 22:41:05 GMT
We are short of a top class goalie,get your gloves out Mr. Banks.
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Post by greyman on Apr 1, 2016 11:42:39 GMT
I can't understand why some people are surprised by most people's apathy towards England. Once you reach the age of, I don't know, 20ish and have seen England fail again and again by squeezing the big name players and a handful of manager's favourites into the team every single tournament it's hard to watch games with anything other than a mentality of hoping for the best and expecting the worst. Does Rooney deserve to be a guaranteed starter? Do Wilshere and Delph deserve to even be on the plane? Will England really benefit from not getting Vardy and Kane into the team even though they've been on fire since the end of last season? The thing is though it's so obvious what will happen in all those situations (and many others) that it's hard to even get annoyed by it anymore. You can only watch somebody shoot themselves in the foot so many times before you start to think it's not worth getting upset about. You can always make a case for Rooney. You'd like to think he won't be taking Wilshere and Phil Jones though. It's stuff like that that makes my heart sink.
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