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Post by mumf on Apr 1, 2016 6:31:55 GMT
We should abolish all unions and get rid of all the weak in our society .
We should all work longer (in my case until im 67 ) .
Get rid of the less productive .
Abandon health and safety and allow a free for all .
Lets get back to the Victorian era where the rich become richer and the poor starved .
Progress .
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 1, 2016 6:33:35 GMT
Unless things have changed in the last 5 years (hint: they havent) they are still full of ex public sector employees and people who have never worked in the true private sector. Its a pre requisite of being hired for many positions. When dealing with them the attitude is always how can we avoid doing anything over how we can we make things better. Never mind things changing in the past 5yrs. Things have changed since 1988, when it was privatised. So unless they have staff with a midian age of 75, I would say you're talking out of you're arse & that's why you're breath stinks. Not only to you support $#!t, you talk $#!t Who said anything about there still being people from pre-privatisation? You need to improve your reading comprehension... not the first time youve misunderstood things. I've worked with these companies and seen first hand how useless they are. Second only to actual government departments. |
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 1, 2016 7:02:27 GMT
Never mind things changing in the past 5yrs. Things have changed since 1988, when it was privatised. So unless they have staff with a midian age of 75, I would say you're talking out of you're arse & that's why you're breath stinks. Not only to you support $#!t, you talk $#!t Who said anything about there still being people from pre-privatisation? You need to improve your reading comprehension... not the first time youve misunderstood things. I've worked with these companies and seen first hand how useless they are. Second only to actual government departments. No man looks dignified whilst back peddling |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 1, 2016 7:24:55 GMT
We should abolish all unions and get rid of all the weak in our society . We should all work longer (in my case until im 67 ) . Get rid of the less productive . Abandon health and safety and allow a free for all . Lets get back to the Victorian era where the rich become richer and the poor starved . Progress . Nice fishing. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 1, 2016 12:39:05 GMT
This demolition of British industry started with the bitch! I presume you are referring to Saint Maggie of Grantham. Might I point out that the demolition of British Industry was ensured by the egotistical union leaders .....Scarghill, Robertson et al and their demands for rediculous wage rises, shorter working hours and at a time when our industries were struggling to compete without the tax payers intervention. Maggie shortened the inevitable agony that these fools started. Of course the TaTa Steel issue has nothing to do with unions but more to do with global economic forces. Even if the government intervened to nationalise the steel manufacturing, it would need restructuring to make it competetive with inevitable job losses. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 14:56:34 GMT
I understand the whole market forces argument and your average free market economist will shrug their shoulders at what's happened, but what I don't understand is why central government contracts are given to foreign companies with no thought to the long term impact on the economy.
A contract to build a new hospital for example might cost £100m with the steel being procured in the UK, compared to £90m to a Chinese company using Chinese imported steel. But when 40,000 people lose their jobs down the line what's the cost to the economy? A lot more that's for sure.
There should always being an element of protectionism, the French do it, the Germans do it but not us we simply allow industry to fritter away without a fight. Very sad for those workers involved, skilled men and women in many cases who have been sold down the river.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 1, 2016 15:12:25 GMT
I understand the whole market forces argument and your average free market economist will shrug their shoulders at what's happened, but what I don't understand is why central government contracts are given to foreign companies with no thought to the long term impact on the economy. A contract to build a new hospital for example might cost £100m with the steel being procured in the UK, compared to £90m to a Chinese company using Chinese imported steel. But when 40,000 people lose their jobs down the line what's the cost to the economy? A lot more that's for sure. There should always being an element of protectionism, the French do it, the Germans do it but not us we simply allow industry to fritter away without a fight. Very sad for those workers involved, skilled men and women in many cases who have been sold down the river..... One of the reasons given for the uncompetitiveness of the UK steel industry are the costs of our overheads, such as the energy costs which suffer from the green premium. In reality how can it be greener to transport steel from China who may be using production methods which are at least as carbon expensive as ours? |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 1, 2016 15:59:48 GMT
I understand the whole market forces argument and your average free market economist will shrug their shoulders at what's happened, but what I don't understand is why central government contracts are given to foreign companies with no thought to the long term impact on the economy. A contract to build a new hospital for example might cost £100m with the steel being procured in the UK, compared to £90m to a Chinese company using Chinese imported steel. But when 40,000 people lose their jobs down the line what's the cost to the economy? A lot more that's for sure. There should always being an element of protectionism, the French do it, the Germans do it but not us we simply allow industry to fritter away without a fight. Very sad for those workers involved, skilled men and women in many cases who have been sold down the river..... One of the reasons given for the uncompetitiveness of the UK steel industry are the costs of our overheads, such as the energy costs which suffer from the green premium. In reality how can it be greener to transport steel from China who may be using production methods which are at least as carbon expensive as ours? I get what you are saying BJR but the green premium is also a EU directive that must apply to other European steel manufacturing countries like Italy, Belgium, Germany etc. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 1, 2016 16:11:15 GMT
One of the reasons given for the uncompetitiveness of the UK steel industry are the costs of our overheads, such as the energy costs which suffer from the green premium. In reality how can it be greener to transport steel from China who may be using production methods which are at least as carbon expensive as ours? I get what you are saying BJR but the green premium is also a EU directive that must apply to other European steel manufacturing countries like Italy, Belgium, Germany etc. Thanks for clarifying that Lawrie, but in real terms just in respect of carbon usage how can transport from China be cheaper? Also I heard that we put a higher green tariff on fuel than other countries, is that not true in comparison to other EU countries? I take your point though if it is an EU directive |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 1, 2016 16:39:01 GMT
I get what you are saying BJR but the green premium is also a EU directive that must apply to other European steel manufacturing countries like Italy, Belgium, Germany etc. Thanks for clarifying that Lawrie, but in real terms just in respect of carbon usage how can transport from China be cheaper? Also I heard that we put a higher green tariff on fuel than other countries, is that not true in comparison to other EU countries? I take your point though if it is an EU directive Probably too complicated for you and me mate but in simple terms this is how I see it........we put a green tax on energy to subsidise the so called sustainable energy projects like solar panels, wind turbines, wave energy plus the subsidies for the insulating of older homes and upgrading to more efficient condensing boilers. I don't know what the %age uplift in our bills is to cover this but would imagine it's not inconsiderable. This also has to be paid by industry of course making our manufacturing more expensive. I don't know what is happening in other European countries but they come under the same policy dictats as uk. In the meantime China have over produced in recent years and are flooding the market to a) get rid of their surplus steel which in turn drives down the cost of it worldwide and b) it's driving other countries steel production into the ground which in turn means Chinese steel becomes much more attractive as steel,prices plummet thus getting rid of their surplus. The only answer is to do what the yanks do and heavily tax Chinese steel imports but I think that's not allowed by you know who. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 16:43:03 GMT
We should abolish all unions and get rid of all the weak in our society . We should all work longer (in my case until im 67 ) . Get rid of the less productive . Abandon health and safety and allow a free for all . Lets get back to the Victorian era where the rich become richer and the poor starved . Progress . Nice fishing. Fairly obvious #satire on this occasion I think. |
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