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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 21, 2016 11:17:02 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Mar 21, 2016 12:38:54 GMT
Not comparing like with like imo. Male footballers are paid more because as assets go, they're able to bring in huge amounts of money for their clubs in sponsorship and the TV deals etc. Unfortunately, nobody gives a shit about women's football (except the BBC) and therefore they're paid pretty poorly. Tennis on the other hand, they have different rules for women for some reason, so yes, I think the equal prize money is wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 13:17:27 GMT
Let the women play against the men and earn their money.
That is equality, not different rules with a shorter game.
Get rid of Carbon Fibre rackets and artificial strings which make all players 6' tall and play baseline two handed tennis. The days of quality touch players like Ilie Năstase are fading fast in pursuit of fast serves.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 21, 2016 14:07:20 GMT
Let the women play against the men and earn their money. That is equality, not different rules with a shorter game. Get rid of Carbon Fibre rackets and artificial strings which make all players 6' tall and play baseline two handed tennis. The days of quality touch players like Ilie Năstase are fading fast in pursuit of fast serves. I'd love to see a mixed tournament, males vs females. Full on equality that is  We all know how it would go down. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 21, 2016 14:30:56 GMT
Let the women play against the men and earn their money. That is equality, not different rules with a shorter game. Get rid of Carbon Fibre rackets and artificial strings which make all players 6' tall and play baseline two handed tennis. The days of quality touch players like Ilie Năstase are fading fast in pursuit of fast serves. I'd love to see a mixed tournament, males vs females. Full on equality that is We all know how it would go down. although it's going off on a tangent slightly....obviously women vs. men in tennis would be daft in the same way women vs. men in football, athletics or rugby would be as physiologically the two sexes are built differently, have different muscle mass etc. but what is the reasoning behind separating the genders in sports like darts and snooker? never understood that tbh |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:31:39 GMT
About time someone said this, just in life in general. Men are awesome and get stuff done, women piss around talking about shoes, haircuts and complimenting each others nail varnish colour. They should just stop cunting about and get on with it  |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 21, 2016 14:34:58 GMT
I'd love to see a mixed tournament, males vs females. Full on equality that is We all know how it would go down. although it's going off on a tangent slightly....obviously women vs. men in tennis would be daft in the same way women vs. men in football, athletics or rugby would be as physiologically the two sexes are built differently, have different muscle mass etc. but what is the reasoning behind separating the genders in sports like darts and snooker? never understood that tbh Of course it's daft, you know that Mick. It's clear hyperbole, like many of my posts  The reason men tend to be stronger is simple sexual dimorphism. Even the weakest man can have up to 40% muscle mass than some of the stronger females. It's just biology. What annoys me, however, I've never understood the shorter female tennis games. I can't imagine sexual dimorphism having a huge impact on endurance and no doubt most women tennis players could play a 5 setter no problem. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 21, 2016 14:43:59 GMT
although it's going off on a tangent slightly....obviously women vs. men in tennis would be daft in the same way women vs. men in football, athletics or rugby would be as physiologically the two sexes are built differently, have different muscle mass etc. but what is the reasoning behind separating the genders in sports like darts and snooker? never understood that tbh Of course it's daft, you know that Mick. It's clear hyperbole, like many of my posts The reason men tend to be stronger is simple sexual dimorphism. Even the weakest man can have up to 40% muscle mass than some of the stronger females. It's just biology. What annoys me, however, I've never understood the shorter female tennis games. I can't imagine sexual dimorphism having a huge impact on endurance and no doubt most women tennis players could play a 5 setter no problem. yeah i know it was hyperbole and have no issue with your post, was just wondering what the relevant sporting bodies reasons were for not integrating sports like darts and snooker when they don't rely on physical strength and fitness (as i said, i know it's going off point but always wondered) |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 21, 2016 14:53:22 GMT
Of course it's daft, you know that Mick. It's clear hyperbole, like many of my posts The reason men tend to be stronger is simple sexual dimorphism. Even the weakest man can have up to 40% muscle mass than some of the stronger females. It's just biology. What annoys me, however, I've never understood the shorter female tennis games. I can't imagine sexual dimorphism having a huge impact on endurance and no doubt most women tennis players could play a 5 setter no problem. yeah i know it was hyperbole and have no issue with your post, was just wondering what the relevant sporting bodies reasons were for not integrating sports like darts and snooker when they don't rely on physical strength and fitness (as i said, i know it's going off point but always wondered) I suppose it gives an opportunity for lesser players to break into a very hard sport? |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2016 17:46:50 GMT
Short skirts, t!ts & pony tailsXx
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Post by turtlefox on Mar 21, 2016 18:14:14 GMT
Short skirts, t!ts & pony tailsXx Good name for a band. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2016 18:22:46 GMT
Short skirts, t!ts & pony tailsXx Good name for a band. Only if I can be their manager |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 21, 2016 20:38:08 GMT
Only if I can be their manager Know your limits, you're better off aiming lower and trying to manage The Boss-Eyed Bints. |
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 21, 2016 20:57:19 GMT
If women tennis players earn the same as men then they must play best of 5 sets.
And attract the same level of ticket sales and TV rights.
If mens Wimbledon was played in June and Ladies in July we know which would be more popular. That they are played at the same time and with 1 TV contract allows a fudging of the issue. Why should fellas have to subside the ladies.
I have no issue with female models getting paid more than men (assuming they do) coz they are better and there is more demand for their services
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Post by Pedropotter on Mar 21, 2016 21:17:17 GMT
Short skirts, t!ts & pony tailsXx Good name for a band. Or s shite law firm. |
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 21, 2016 21:17:59 GMT
I have always backed that stance with Tennis - its not a case of being sexist or anything - they put on a poorer quality show, over a shorter timescale (best of 3 sets) hence work less for the money, and dont exactly attract TV audiences and sponsors
Stats today showed 915million people watched various mens ATP finals (exc Grand Slams) last year compared to 315mill WTP when on TV
Both should attract their own money and then divvy it up amongst their players how they want - Serena Williams earned $10million last year! It hardly a paupers wage.
The stats did show that bar Djoko/Nadal/Federer and Murray, from ranke 5 downwards they earned roughly the same anyway, probably because the top 4 won most things in the mens game, whereas in the womens its a little less dominated by a few players - you dont often get an outsider winning a mens tournament.
Its not just limited to gender - age, disability etc - they all have 'champions' and 'championships' where somebody wins (which is great for them), but I dont hear them asking for equal money because they know they arent as good as players. Although the guy came across as a knob with his 'coat tails' comment, he wasnt far off in that if sponsors didnt have the big 4 bloke superstars, maybe so much money wouldnt be spent, and prizemoney would be less etc etc
In terms of other sports, the product, revenue and public perception drives the rate
Women who are good enough compete with men - there have been a few snooker players who have qualified for major tournaments, Michelle Wie qualified for mens open golf tournaments (not sure why they dont do it more, there are plenty of decent women golfers who may not win as the top players are exceptional and have great driving power advantage), but could earn a decent crack on the PGA tour along with the hundreds of average club pros over there, we saw Anastasia Dobromislova take on the blokes in the PDC darts and win some games but lacked consistency over a longer format (she won plenty best of 3/5 legs), and plenty of sports where POWER isnt such an advantage sees women often play in mixed competition - shooting, archery, bowls etc
The power element will mostly be a differential though, that physical part will always separate them - womens football, rugby etc is more of a finesse game than power.
I enjoy womens cricket, its come a long way in a short time, and the fact the England girls are now paid professionals shows how far its come, Sarah Taylor is an excellent keeper and has played this year for both Sussex 2nds with the blokes, and in grade cricket with men in Oz.
Not the same level but Steph Butler from Biddulph plays for Englands academy side, and regularly plays for Knype 2nds as a bowler and batsman.
However no top mens player would take on a top womens player 'just in case' they lost, and I would bet, and am sure the same the other way round 'just in case' they were thrashed!
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Post by Matthews dad on Mar 22, 2016 6:12:07 GMT
What's the length of game got to do with it??
Usain bolt only runs 100m but get payed a lot more than the marathon runners!
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Post by cockoscfc on Mar 22, 2016 8:10:55 GMT
What's the length of game got to do with it?? Usain bolt only runs 100m but get payed a lot more than the marathon runners! Forbes 2015 has Bolt earning 15k in prize money with 21m in endorsements so probably not much earning difference between the two events unless your raking it in externally. www.forbes.com/profile/usain-bolt/ |
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2016 9:03:08 GMT
I quite like the format of the Grand Slams where you typically get a ladies match as a nice warm up where you can watch the lithe young talented things glistening in the gentle sunshine, followed by the grunt and grind of 2 of the men players going toe to toe and finished off with the finesse of some doubles.
So I think as a spectator package having the men's and women's games running in tandem at the grand slams works very well.
Whether or not people would turn up exclusively or tune in to the pit-pat of the early rounds of a women's only tournament I rather doubt. So it works well together but I doubt the women's game could really stand alone and attract the kind of prize money they do joined ip. But I am alright with that. We need to encourage the chicks of the world to get out and get moving!
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 22, 2016 12:27:03 GMT
What's the length of game got to do with it?? Usain bolt only runs 100m but get payed a lot more than the marathon runners! I was thinking something similar - only along the lines of T20 in cricket which has become the cash cow of the sport. The question is how far down the road of rewarding participants according to their commercial impact you want to go. Bear in mind, at the end of this road are, possibly, things like a European Super League in football. |
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Post by Moosehead on Mar 22, 2016 13:20:27 GMT
At Indian Wells, both men and women play best of three sets. Isn't it just the Grand Slams that are best of 5?
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Post by redstriper on Mar 23, 2016 9:28:29 GMT
Men should be paid more in all walks of life because we have to put up with women in the workplace  It's obvious that men are the better tennis players and has been proven a few times even after the goalposts have been moved to help the lasses. tennis battle of the sexesHowever, I love watching women's tennis, at least when the women combine power and grace as beautifully as say Chris Evert. It's art. |
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Post by foster on Mar 23, 2016 9:33:13 GMT
What's the length of game got to do with it?? Usain bolt only runs 100m but get payed a lot more than the marathon runners! Both involve running, but both are effectively different sports. If Mens tennis is more popular and generates more revenue then they should be paid more. Same as in other sports. Except in relation to mixed doubles. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 23, 2016 9:37:43 GMT
At Indian Wells, both men and women play best of three sets. Isn't it just the Grand Slams that are best of 5? My guess is the women would play 5 sets at the Grand Slams like the men do but the fact is fact no one has ever asked them. I suspect that has much to do with the fact that the spectators and more importantly the TV audience would not thank you for laying on a full 5 set screech-fest between 2 identikit blonde East European girls where an hour in to the match you still haven't quite worked out which one is which! |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Mar 23, 2016 12:48:20 GMT
I used to think that the womens game was shorter because their rallies were longer (and better). Well, they used to be before the Frank Bruno sisters starting smashing in 130mph aces for every serve. Now all of the top women players have got to have a 120mph+ serve and volley in their locker and it's turned into a mini, worse version of the mens game.
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Post by ihaveadream on Mar 23, 2016 13:57:28 GMT
I think the Wimbledon womens final should be 5 sets. It is ridiculous to have a final over in less than an hour.
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 1, 2016 0:08:25 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35937077So should women footballers be paid as much as their male equivalents? Should, for example, our lady's team, playing in front of a handful of supporters, be paid the same as the Stoke first team, playing in front of 27,000 plus supporters plus many, many millions across the world?
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 1, 2016 1:33:08 GMT
Pay the most to the people who bring in the biggest audiences and the most money. Male or female, black or white, it doesn't matter.
Fact is noone cares about womens tennis or football because the mens games are better.
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Post by NassauDave on Apr 1, 2016 6:53:03 GMT
Now as for beach volleyball.......
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Post by Northy on Apr 1, 2016 7:03:30 GMT
Short skirts, t!ts & pony tailsXx how was your alternative weekend? |
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The reason men tend to be stronger is simple sexual dimorphism. Even the weakest man can have up to 40% muscle mass than some of the stronger females. It's just biology. What annoys me, however, I've never understood the shorter female tennis games. I can't imagine sexual dimorphism having a huge impact on endurance and no doubt most women tennis players could play a 5 setter no problem.
