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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 14, 2016 19:36:10 GMT
Tell you what....you toddle off and work out where'd be in the league without him, his goals and his assists this season then come back and tell us why he shouldn't be one of the top earners eh? Tell you what, you toddle off and tell me why he deserves to be a top earner over Ryan, jack and apple pie. Like I say half a season and fans think the sun shines out his are. When diouf bagged all his goals hardly anyone would be saying the same about him, why? Because he doesn't have a fancy name? Doesn't have all tattoos? The way some fans are over him is a joke, specially with some of the shit he's dished up this season as well. Not like he's been consistant. all you're doing there is illustrating to the whole board how much you need to grow up and join the real world at some point! Stoke fans being excited by a player who's been incredibly influential to our season shocker!!!! you are aware that people are allowed to like both diouf AND arnie anyway aren't you?????? it's not like you're tying your colours to the mast and it has to be 1 or the other, just so happens that Diouf isn't currently re-negotiating his contract...pretty sure when he does he'll also ask for more than the first offer given him by the club, it's kinda what all players do. were you expecting him to say "Tell you what boss, just make sure you pay me less than x,y or z cos they deserve more than me"? at the moment Arnie is only 1 behind the record in terms of Prem goals scored in 1 season since we came back up and he's a winger rather than a forward and with almost half as many assists on top of that!!!! if you want a winger who can do that AND be 100% consistent every single game then you either a) need to wise the fuck up or/and b) support Barca/Real as he wouldn't be at Stoke in the first bloody place!!!!!
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 14, 2016 19:38:34 GMT
Tell you what, you toddle off and tell me why he deserves to be a top earner over Ryan, jack and apple pie. Like I say half a season and fans think the sun shines out his are. When diouf bagged all his goals hardly anyone would be saying the same about him, why? Because he doesn't have a fancy name? Doesn't have all tattoos? The way some fans are over him is a joke, specially with some of the shit he's dished up this season as well. Not like he's been consistant. all you're doing there is illustrating to the whole board how much you need to grow up and join the real world at some point! Stoke fans being excited by a player who's been incredibly influential to our season shocker!!!! you are aware that people are allowed to like both diouf AND arnie anyway aren't you?????? it's not like you're tying your colours to the mast and it has to be 1 or the other, just so happens that Diouf isn't currently re-negotiating his contract...pretty sure when he does he'll also ask for more than the first offer given him by the club, it's kinda what all players do. were you expecting him to say "Tell you what boss, just make sure you pay me less than x,y or z cos they deserve more than me"? at the moment Arnie is only 1 behind the record in terms of Prem goals scored in 1 season since we came back up and he's a winger rather than a forward and with almost half as many assists on top of that!!!! if you want a winger who can do that AND be 100% consistent every single game then you either a) need to wise the fuck up or/and b) support Barca/Real as he wouldn't be at Stoke in the first bloody place!!!!! Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 14, 2016 19:41:14 GMT
all you're doing there is illustrating to the whole board how much you need to grow up and join the real world at some point! Stoke fans being excited by a player who's been incredibly influential to our season shocker!!!! you are aware that people are allowed to like both diouf AND arnie anyway aren't you?????? it's not like you're tying your colours to the mast and it has to be 1 or the other, just so happens that Diouf isn't currently re-negotiating his contract...pretty sure when he does he'll also ask for more than the first offer given him by the club, it's kinda what all players do. were you expecting him to say "Tell you what boss, just make sure you pay me less than x,y or z cos they deserve more than me"? at the moment Arnie is only 1 behind the record in terms of Prem goals scored in 1 season since we came back up and he's a winger rather than a forward and with almost half as many assists on top of that!!!! if you want a winger who can do that AND be 100% consistent every single game then you either a) need to wise the fuck up or/and b) support Barca/Real as he wouldn't be at Stoke in the first bloody place!!!!! Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. and those players will no doubt ask for that when THEY re-negotiate their contracts won't they? that isn't just how football works, it's how employment in general works you muppet! Jesus hates christ.....
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 14, 2016 19:44:17 GMT
Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. and those players will no doubt ask for that when THEY re-negotiate their contracts won't they? that isn't just how football works, it's how employment in general works you muppet! Jesus hates christ..... Or the club should offer them a higher paid contract like they are with bojan and are in the process of with jack, works BOTH ways Muppet. If the club act first it shows a player they have deserved it and they are wanted.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 14, 2016 19:46:24 GMT
Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. and those players will no doubt ask for that when THEY re-negotiate their contracts won't they? that isn't just how football works, it's how employment in general works you muppet! Jesus hates christ..... C'mon Mick, everyone knows that all footballers negotiate their contracts at the same time.
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Post by miggo on Mar 14, 2016 21:33:24 GMT
and those players will no doubt ask for that when THEY re-negotiate their contracts won't they? that isn't just how football works, it's how employment in general works you muppet! Jesus hates christ..... Or the club should offer them a higher paid contract like they are with bojan and are in the process of with jack, works BOTH ways Muppet. If the club act first it shows a player they have deserved it and they are wanted. What Arnie wants and what he gets are 2 different things. No one is suggesting he is worth 100k a week, that's a ridiculous amount a money for a club like us and at this point it's only a rumoured amount isn't it ? If he is being truthful and wants to stay (which I believe he is) then he deserves to be in that bracket of top earners at the club and that s only worth what the club are willing to pay. Your ridiculous remarks that he only shows up for half a season are absurd and show you have no understanding of how the game works, sure he's not at his best every single game neither are Messi and Ronaldo but he's been by far our most creative and biggest attacking threat this season without taking into account his and Pieters vital partnership that is so important to our defensive game and we'd be a lot worse off without him, are there other players out there sure but then you have to get them and bed then in which could take another 6-12 months before we see the best out of them and this could be more expensive than making Arnie a decent offer as we'd have to shell out 15mil+ big wages for a player any where near his quality anyway. Teams realise he is our biggest threat and if you understood football at all you will notice that he is constantly doubled up on by the defending teams some are more successful at it than others and when Bojan/Afellay and / or Shaqiri all play as well as they can together this is when we see him at his best as the defenders simply can't contain us as they have no idea who to try and stop and he gets more freedom, this unfortunately has not happened as much as we'd hoped but given that it's Shaqiri and Afellays first season and Bojans had his injury I can understand this. The lad is probably going to end up our highest ever premiership scorer, from a midfielder that's quite impressive. Your posts don't surprise me at all, every time I look at the oatcake there seems to be more opinions from people who have no understanding of the game and I die a little inside, I thought we were better than this hopefully the oatcake isn't a true reflection of our support as a whole.
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Post by Davef on Mar 14, 2016 21:39:11 GMT
I'd have him as a starter on the left wing. Still think there's better options than Arnie out there specially with how much he will be on with this new contract. The idiocy of the oatcake strikes again. That's why this messageboard needs a change of name. Do you really think The Oatcake agrees with that claptrap?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 21:47:08 GMT
N and O
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Post by datguy on Mar 14, 2016 21:55:16 GMT
I'd have him as a starter on the left wing. Still think there's better options than Arnie out there specially with how much he will be on with this new contract. I'd go as far as saying Januzaj isn't an upgrade on Walters (when he plays on the wing). Yes, there's certainly better players than Arnie out there but Januzaj 100% isn't one of them. Someone said it earlier and it's true, he's living off one good game three years ago.
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Post by mumf on Mar 14, 2016 21:57:50 GMT
To be honest I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween . Arnie up until the last few months has at best been inconsistent and his shooting fucking awful . His attitude and general application has also been found wanting too ...but all that said , he has this season become a real star in the team and has become more focused .
Does he deserve the highest wages ....? Thats up to the management team but in my opinion should be on a par or equal with the team captain .
Bojanballer did have a valid point but that point has now been surpassed for the good .
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 14, 2016 21:59:31 GMT
One of the most over hyped overrated played ever to grace the premiership
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Post by miggo on Mar 14, 2016 22:01:14 GMT
The idiocy of the oatcake strikes again. That's why this messageboard needs a change of name. Do you really think The Oatcake agrees with that claptrap? Not at all but these types of comments and comment of similar ilk are becoming far too common and in danger of out weighing the decent, common sense, football minded posters of this board. It really has been declining for some time now and it's rare that I check in more than twice/three times a week. I used to be on here every day and regardless of whether you agreed on the topic or OP it was clear posters knew what they were talking about and every took things in the correct manner (for the most part) now it descends into chaos on almost every thread, maybe I'm just becoming a miserable bastard and reading too much into it
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Post by kustokie on Mar 14, 2016 22:02:42 GMT
Play him on the left and stick Arnie up front.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 14, 2016 22:03:17 GMT
To be honest I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween . Arnie up until the last few months has at best been inconsistent and his shooting fucking awful . His attitude and general application has also been found wanting too ...but all that said , he has this season become a real star in the team and has become more focused . Does he deserve the highest wages ....? Thats up to the management team but in my opinion should be on a par or equal with the team captain . Bojanballer did have a valid point but that point has now been surpassed for the good . People just don't listen or understand at all. Like you say he's had half a good season and now he's some sort of god. There's games this season where he's been total awful as well. What I was saying is nzonzi wasn't offered the money Arnie has been offered so he shouldn't be offered it. There's others in the squad who deserve more money than what he's been offered.
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Post by miggo on Mar 14, 2016 22:11:03 GMT
To be honest I think the truth lies somewhere inbetween . Arnie up until the last few months has at best been inconsistent and his shooting fucking awful . His attitude and general application has also been found wanting too ...but all that said , he has this season become a real star in the team and has become more focused . Does he deserve the highest wages ....? Thats up to the management team but in my opinion should be on a par or equal with the team captain . Bojanballer did have a valid point but that point has now been surpassed for the good . People just don't listen or understand at all. Like you say he's had half a good season and now he's some sort of god. There's games this season where he's been total awful as well. What I was saying is nzonzi wasn't offered the money Arnie has been offered so he shouldn't be offered it. There's others in the squad who deserve more money than what he's been offered. You know what he's been offered then do you ? You also know what we offered N Zonz ? Who's saying he some sort of God ? Who deserves more money ? Other than Butland I'd be struggling for anyone who's been as cosistant, Pieters maybe but that's about it everybody else has had an average season some good some not so good.
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Post by mumf on Mar 14, 2016 22:14:57 GMT
Theres quite a few who prefer to shoot from the hip and fail to appreciate the point you are making . Arnie has had some poor games this season , but he seems to be improving immeasurably .
Either way you Bojanballer doesnt deserve dogs abuse . We all have different opinions .
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 14, 2016 22:16:05 GMT
Initials of BB.Got to be you know who.
Can't talk about the gravity crocodile now so has to pick on our top scorer.
Unbelievable!
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 14, 2016 22:16:35 GMT
People just don't listen or understand at all. Like you say he's had half a good season and now he's some sort of god. There's games this season where he's been total awful as well. What I was saying is nzonzi wasn't offered the money Arnie has been offered so he shouldn't be offered it. There's others in the squad who deserve more money than what he's been offered. You know what he's been offered then do you ? You also know what we offered N Zonz ? Who's saying he some sort of God ? Who deserves more money ? Other than Butland I'd be struggling for anyone who's been as cosistant, Pieters maybe but that's about it everybody else has had an average season some good some not so good. afellay has been our best player, Johnsons been very good. Butlands been great and Ryan deserves to earn it for sheer loyalty and leadership. There's 4 better straight off.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 14, 2016 22:19:12 GMT
Theres quite a few who prefer to shoot from the hip and fail to appreciate the point you are making . Arnie has had some poor games this season , but he seems to be improving immeasurably . Either way you Bojanballer doesnt deserve dogs abuse . We all have different opinions . Haha it seems the norm on here its a joke. Only joined a month or so back and going take a break I think. Given people info on our targets and can't even have a valid opinion and back it up with points. Absolute laughable from grown men
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 14, 2016 22:24:57 GMT
You know what he's been offered then do you ? You also know what we offered N Zonz ? Who's saying he some sort of God ? Who deserves more money ? Other than Butland I'd be struggling for anyone who's been as cosistant, Pieters maybe but that's about it everybody else has had an average season some good some not so good. afellay has been our best player, Johnsons been very good. Butlands been great and Ryan deserves to earn it for sheer loyalty and leadership. There's 4 better straight off. Mate you are talking rubbish. A 22 year old in his first season at top flight shouldn't be anyones top earner. Thats a certainty to end in a player thinking they're better than they are before their peak. Luckily, Butland is a clever bastard and won't do that. We should be making Glen Johnson our top earner, the wrong side of 30? Same with Afellay? Who by the way, took a bit of time to settle as well. Ryan will be top earner regardless. Arnautovic has had some fantastic games ever since he joined, but now he has added goals to his play. All wide players have poor games, especially if double marked, it's the nature of the beast. He deserves to be top earner as he has been miles better than anyone else for a good while.
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Post by miggo on Mar 14, 2016 22:45:49 GMT
You know what he's been offered then do you ? You also know what we offered N Zonz ? Who's saying he some sort of God ? Who deserves more money ? Other than Butland I'd be struggling for anyone who's been as cosistant, Pieters maybe but that's about it everybody else has had an average season some good some not so good. afellay has been our best player, Johnsons been very good. Butlands been great and Ryan deserves to earn it for sheer loyalty and leadership. There's 4 better straight off. Affellay has been great for the last 2 months other than that he's been as good as anyone else, also he only signed this year, is he really deserving of our highest earner ? Johnsons been good I agree, I'm sure he is already in the top bracket earners given where he's been before? Butland is has been exceptional has already signed a new contract but if he carries on I'm sure he'll be earning a new one within the next 12 months to fend off potential suitors. Ryan I guarantee is in the top bracket probably in the top 3-5 at the club, but if you talking leadership and loyalty would Whelan would fit the same bracket? Where would we be without Arnies goals and assists this season, yes the same could be said about Butland and his importance but the rest we'd have gotten along without and I include Shawcross in that given how much of the season he's missed.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 14, 2016 22:56:41 GMT
all you're doing there is illustrating to the whole board how much you need to grow up and join the real world at some point! Stoke fans being excited by a player who's been incredibly influential to our season shocker!!!! you are aware that people are allowed to like both diouf AND arnie anyway aren't you?????? it's not like you're tying your colours to the mast and it has to be 1 or the other, just so happens that Diouf isn't currently re-negotiating his contract...pretty sure when he does he'll also ask for more than the first offer given him by the club, it's kinda what all players do. were you expecting him to say "Tell you what boss, just make sure you pay me less than x,y or z cos they deserve more than me"? at the moment Arnie is only 1 behind the record in terms of Prem goals scored in 1 season since we came back up and he's a winger rather than a forward and with almost half as many assists on top of that!!!! if you want a winger who can do that AND be 100% consistent every single game then you either a) need to wise the fuck up or/and b) support Barca/Real as he wouldn't be at Stoke in the first bloody place!!!!! Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. I can't see Coates and his team being out negotiated. He's a successful business man who knows what he's doing. There was a lot of knicker-wetting this time last year at the thought of losing N'zonzi. In the end it was no great loss because he was replaced by Shaqiri, Affelay, Imbula, Johnson, etc. who have much better potential to build a great TEAM - the team spirit appears to be great (even Arnie seems well-liked despite his goofy personality). In my opinion, N'zonzi is no great loss.
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Post by mumf on Mar 14, 2016 23:09:52 GMT
Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. I can't see Coates and his team being out negotiated. He's a successful business man who knows what he's doing. There was a lot of knicker-wetting this time last year at the thought of losing N'zonzi. In the end it was no great loss because he was replaced by Shaqiri, Affelay, Imbula, Johnson, etc. who have much better potential to build a great TEAM - the team spirit appears to be great (even Arnie seems well-liked despite his goofy personality). In my opinion, N'zonzi is no great loss. Yes ....I think you're right , however I'm not sure if Stoke will go the levels expected and rumoured by the press in relation to Arnautovics wage requests . The only way he'll get that kind of money is at a top six club .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 23:49:56 GMT
Arnie at the moment is our match winner and is on a rich vein of form. I would be looking to offer him serious money to stay. However our club will have a ceiling and if he's not happy then as with Fonzy goodbye and thx for your time and effort Arnie.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 15, 2016 0:51:35 GMT
we have enough trying to get Shaq going , one drama queen winger is surely enough
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 15, 2016 1:28:00 GMT
I'd take him on loan as back-up to Arnie and Shaq - he's gotta be better than Diouf or Walters out wide! If he got his head down and performed, we could then look at something more permanent. There is a good player in there somewhere, he is still young and can mature with the right guidance.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 15, 2016 1:39:40 GMT
The idiocy of the oatcake strikes again. Why just because I don't want a mard arse who shows up the odd game becoming our top earner? Half a good season and the sun shines out his arse from many supporters. And there's some games this season where he's been shit as well. We didn't go balls out for nzonzi in his last season and we shouldn't for arnie. There's better players in our squad who deserve to be or match the "top earners" Januzaj hasn't even had half a season, I'm guessing you're saying all this for affect.
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 15, 2016 7:39:19 GMT
all you're doing there is illustrating to the whole board how much you need to grow up and join the real world at some point! Stoke fans being excited by a player who's been incredibly influential to our season shocker!!!! you are aware that people are allowed to like both diouf AND arnie anyway aren't you?????? it's not like you're tying your colours to the mast and it has to be 1 or the other, just so happens that Diouf isn't currently re-negotiating his contract...pretty sure when he does he'll also ask for more than the first offer given him by the club, it's kinda what all players do. were you expecting him to say "Tell you what boss, just make sure you pay me less than x,y or z cos they deserve more than me"? at the moment Arnie is only 1 behind the record in terms of Prem goals scored in 1 season since we came back up and he's a winger rather than a forward and with almost half as many assists on top of that!!!! if you want a winger who can do that AND be 100% consistent every single game then you either a) need to wise the fuck up or/and b) support Barca/Real as he wouldn't be at Stoke in the first bloody place!!!!! Like I said nzonzi wasn't offered it and neither should Arnie. There's more deserved players in our squad who deserve it before him. Nzonzi left because he wanted to play European football and enhance his chances of an international call up, not because of the money. We offered him more money than Seville did.
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