|
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 12:15:15 GMT
In Feb 2015 Leicester had 18pts & not a prayer. On 26th of March the reinterment of the Plantagenet King took place at Leicester Cathedral, after his ignominious burial under a council car park since 1485. By April Leicester had 31pts & they Havnt looked back. Discuss... But would Councils have had car parks back in 1485?
|
|
|
Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 20, 2016 12:22:42 GMT
In Feb 2015 Leicester had 18pts & not a prayer. On 26th of March the reinterment of the Plantagenet King took place at Leicester Cathedral, after his ignominious burial under a council car park since 1485. By April Leicester had 31pts & they Havnt looked back. Discuss... But would Councils have had car parks back in 1485? Cue his descendants to get slapped with a £775,000 back charge for parking by Leicestershire council :-)
|
|
|
Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2016 12:45:00 GMT
But would Councils have had car parks back in 1485? Cue his descendants to get slapped with a £775,000 back charge for parking by Leicestershire council :-) Leicester Council can stuff that as they have stolen him themselves and buried him miles from his proper home in York!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 14:17:13 GMT
Cue his descendants to get slapped with a £775,000 back charge for parking by Leicestershire council :-) Leicester Council can stuff that as they have stolen him themselves and buried him miles from his proper home in York! The Council had no claim for Richard III when it came to the judicial review (it was the University and Cathedral that were summoned to present the case as it was the University that held the licence). And Richard never lived in York; his family home was actually Fotheringhay Castle in Northamptonshire. And how it can be said that Leicester somehow 'stole' him when the guy has been buried in the city for over 500 years is completely illogical. But apart from that, you're spot on.
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Feb 20, 2016 15:00:30 GMT
Richard of York should have been buried in York, his spiritual home and the place where his present day descendants wished him to be buried. Not that I am saying that York City would have been on their way to the Premier League title if he had been buried in York! Sorry, but that's totally wrong. I'll put a warning in here: boring medieval history coming up. There's no precedent for Plantagenets, or indeed York is monarchs, being buried at York. Generally, unless there were unusual circumstances, you were buried wherever you died or at a religious house that you had endowed. The only really viable candidates for a burial place were the chapel of Edward the Confessor at Westminster Abbey, where monarchs typically liked to be buried, or Leicester Cathedral. Obviously Westminster Abbey was out of the question, so he belonged in Leicester. You could probably argue that so long as he had a decent Catholic burial, in accordance with his faith, it doesn't really matter where he was buried. The so-called Plantagenets Alliance were just a bunch of troublemakers who formed in the middle of all of the hype. The day after well beck got the winner in the dying seconds of the game against Leicester it has come to pass that the late Pope John Paul II (already elevated to sainthood) had a relationship with a beautiful Polish American woman which appears to go beyond the platonic. Discuss I saw that. It read more like a sexed up smear story than anything else. 'Ark at Bamber Gascoigne
|
|
|
Post by roostershair on Feb 20, 2016 16:12:55 GMT
How about we dig up Molly Leigh and put her the right way round? I'm not being a part of it though
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Feb 20, 2016 16:30:35 GMT
How about we dig up Molly Leigh and put her the right way round? I'm not being a part of it though Isn't she vale
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Feb 21, 2016 0:39:00 GMT
Bugger your history lesson - we live in the here and now. Unless you leave specific instructions in your will as to where you should be buried, your descendents or executors get to choose - which is as it should be. If there were no traceable descendents then I could understand the idea of re-burying him in the city where he died. But there ARE traceable descendants so their wishes should be respected. If I die on a visit to Westminster Abbey I will be interested to look down from above to watch Mystical's campaign to get me buried there against the wishes of my executors! Mystical is right - and before Richard iII was dug up the legal position had been decided. It was a condition of removing the body that he be buried in Leicester cathedral. The decision was nothing to do with medieval history - it the law in the hear and now. There were some attempts to overturn the decision and have him buried in York but they were half hearted and doomed to failure. The best story I heard while the squabble was going on was that the mayor of Chesterfield (seeing a nice bit of tourist income) put in a cheeky bid to have him buried there as it was halfway. You are right, of course, and I forgot to mention the legal side of the case and the fact that the Plantagenet Alliance had no leg to stand on legally, either. They had to go to the Government to get permission to exhume him, as is required for any exhumation, and part of that is a plan for the reinternment after the exhumation has been done. As for the Alliance themselves, they were a bunch of ridiculous, self interested hangers on with little or no relevance. The best that they could do was a direct descendent of his sister. Everyone else was no direct lineage and whose relation to Richard was akin to those of our colonial friends who claim to be descended from Henry II or whoever.
|
|
|
Post by bathstoke on Mar 20, 2016 8:23:12 GMT
These crisp munchers will be unbearable if they pull this off. Can we get that pile of bones shipped out of there sharpish
|
|
|
Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 20, 2016 9:36:48 GMT
In Feb 2015 Leicester had 18pts & not a prayer. On 26th of March the reinterment of the Plantagenet King took place at Leicester Cathedral, after his ignominious burial under a council car park since 1485. By April Leicester had 31pts & they Havnt looked back. Discuss... I don't think the council car park existed in 1485. If it did, Leicester city council would still be collecting fines from that time!
|
|