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Post by Beenst on Feb 11, 2016 9:30:25 GMT
"Strangely enough, I do get supporters saying we should put prices up! Perhaps they think we need the money, but we haven't taken their advice so far." www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Mark-Hughes-make-Ryan-Shawcross/story-28700194-detail/story.html#ixzz3zqj9NHTX You wot? "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, any chance you could up prices please sir I'm worried they're a bit cheap?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, don't fill in those corners please in fact could you remove one please so we can be at 120% capacity I'm worried about % capacity?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, those New Balance kits are a bit too trendy aren't they I quite liked Matchwinner, any chance?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, I'm feeling a bit nostalgic for when everything was a bit shit, any chance you could stop improving all this stuff?" Whoever you are, give your brain a wobble. You're not speaking for me. I quite like where we're going and what we stand for. |
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Post by mrred on Feb 11, 2016 9:33:44 GMT
This is my argument. Our defence, sorry- our whole team need to up their game when Ryan isn't in the squad.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 11, 2016 9:36:11 GMT
You only have to read this forum to see dozen's of people begging the club to increase ticket prices. It's pathetic.
Thankfully Mr.Coates is a sensible man & ignores the bellends.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 11, 2016 9:36:31 GMT
I'd imagine the people mentioning a price rise think our low prices are the reason for our particular low transfer spend before the Imbula deal. So think that by putting prices up we'll have a warchest.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 11, 2016 9:37:27 GMT
I don't think those supporters really appreciate how much money gate receipts generate as a percentage of overall income.
A universal cap of £10 at all football matches in England and shared gate receipts across all four divisions is the way forward.
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Post by Lesalanos on Feb 11, 2016 9:59:39 GMT
Stokes gate receipts are c7m pa out of a turnover of c£100m. TV revenues equate to c75m. If season ticket prices were increased by 20% the club would generate only 1.4% additional revenue. A token 2 or 3% rise would be the equilivalent of 1-2 weeks wages of our highest earning player.
On top of this the TV revenues are to increase further meaning that as a percentage of turnover ticket sales could end up as low as 2-3% of total revenue.
I can see no logic why anyone would even suggest an increase, or why the club would want to.
The bottom line we are beholden to the TV rights and as such will continue to be inconvienced by the changing kick off times and push for additional overseas fixtures.
The flip side is our match day ticket prices I expect will remain the same and on the day prices decrease.
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Post by tonedepear on Feb 11, 2016 10:23:03 GMT
I keep dreaming they just decide to halve the price of all season/day tickets. It'd make fuck all difference to the coffers and be a colossal PR win and make everyone else look bad. Also it would massively make my life easier.
If I bump in to Mr Coates I'll be sure to suggest it!
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Post by salopstick on Feb 11, 2016 10:35:16 GMT
You only have to read this forum to see THE SUPPORTERS COUNCIL begging the club to increase ticket prices. It's pathetic. Thankfully Mr.Coates is a sensible man & ignores the bellends. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2016 10:58:39 GMT
You only have to read this forum to see dozen's of people begging the club to increase ticket prices. It's pathetic. Thankfully Mr.Coates is a sensible man & ignores the bellends. Dozens? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 11:23:08 GMT
I don't think those supporters really appreciate how much money gate receipts generate as a percentage of overall income. A universal cap of £10 at all football matches in England and shared gate receipts across all four divisions is the way forward. Oddly enough, I don't think you can just apply the same kind of cap to the other leagues. For them, the proportion of their total income from gate receipts is far higher than it is for Prem teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 11:30:55 GMT
The only fan I've seen advocating a price rise worryingly was on the Supporters Council as Salop has mentioned above. I think the men in white Coates (sic) came for him a few months back.........
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 11, 2016 11:39:41 GMT
The only fan I've seen advocating a price rise worryingly was on the Supporters Council as Salop has mentioned above. I think the men in white Coates (sic) came for him a few months back......... There was a thread on here only a few days ago where half the replies were people saying how happy they'd be if prices went up. |
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Post by miggo on Feb 11, 2016 11:43:18 GMT
Stokes gate receipts are c7m pa out of a turnover of c£100m. TV revenues equate to c75m. If season ticket prices were increased by 20% the club would generate only 1.4% additional revenue. A token 2 or 3% rise would be the equilivalent of 1-2 weeks wages of our highest earning player. On top of this the TV revenues are to increase further meaning that as a percentage of turnover ticket sales could end up as low as 2-3% of total revenue. I can see no logic why anyone would even suggest an increase, or why the club would want to. The bottom line we are beholden to the TV rights and as such will continue to be inconvienced by the changing kick off times and push for additional overseas fixtures. The flip side is our match day ticket prices I expect will remain the same and on the day prices decrease. I slightly recall seeing something back that on average amongst PL clubs the average revenue generated by ticket sales was around 4% of total income. Obviously ours you would expect to be higher at perhaps 10-12% with the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool at 1-2%. It's sheer madness and no club in this league should be putting prices up; if they do its a case of fleecing the fans for all their worth. Fair play to Liverpool but it's time football fans to unite to drive prices down. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 11, 2016 12:00:59 GMT
I don't think those supporters really appreciate how much money gate receipts generate as a percentage of overall income. A universal cap of £10 at all football matches in England and shared gate receipts across all four divisions is the way forward. Oddly enough, I don't think you can just apply the same kind of cap to the other leagues. For them, the proportion of their total income from gate receipts is far higher than it is for Prem teams. You are forgetting the suggestion in line 2 that "shared gate receipts across all 4 divisions is the way forward". Interestingly, when I was a lad (in the 50s and 60s) a percentage of gate receipts WERE shared with the away club and it meant a much more level playing field than we have now. The suggestion of sharing receipts "across the divisions" is radical but would go a big way towards helping the lower league clubs to survive. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 12:04:50 GMT
Oddly enough, I don't think you can just apply the same kind of cap to the other leagues. For them, the proportion of their total income from gate receipts is far higher than it is for Prem teams. "shared gate receipts across all 4 divisions is the way forward". Interestingly, when I was a lad (in the 50s and 60s) a percentage of gate receipts WERE shared with the away club and it meant a much more level playing field than we have now. The suggestion of sharing receipts "across the divisions" is radical but would go a big way towards helping the lower league clubs to survive. I am indeed  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 12:21:30 GMT
Oddly enough, I don't think you can just apply the same kind of cap to the other leagues. For them, the proportion of their total income from gate receipts is far higher than it is for Prem teams. You are forgetting the suggestion in line 2 that "shared gate receipts across all 4 divisions is the way forward". Interestingly, when I was a lad (in the 50s and 60s) a percentage of gate receipts WERE shared with the away club and it meant a much more level playing field than we have now. The suggestion of sharing receipts "across the divisions" is radical but would go a big way towards helping the lower league clubs to survive. Fairly sure the gate receipts were shared equally between both teams until the late 70s or early 80s. Home teams keeping their own gate receipts was the first massive step towards creating the inequalities between the rich and the poor clubs which have kept getting bigger every year since then. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2016 12:32:46 GMT
The only fan I've seen advocating a price rise worryingly was on the Supporters Council as Salop has mentioned above. I think the men in white Coates (sic) came for him a few months back......... There was a thread on here only a few days ago where half the replies were people saying how happy they'd be if prices went up.
To be fair ... that was people saying they would accept a price rise, rather than 'advocating' that there actually should be a price rise.
It's clear (as has already been said) that Coates is referring to the guy on the Supporters Council who suggested it would be 'financial suicide' if the club didn't rise prices.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 11, 2016 12:39:46 GMT
Oddly enough, I don't think you can just apply the same kind of cap to the other leagues. For them, the proportion of their total income from gate receipts is far higher than it is for Prem teams. You are forgetting the suggestion in line 2 that "shared gate receipts across all 4 divisions is the way forward". Interestingly, when I was a lad (in the 50s and 60s) a percentage of gate receipts WERE shared with the away club and it meant a much more level playing field than we have now. The suggestion of sharing receipts "across the divisions" is radical but would go a big way towards helping the lower league clubs to survive. Its both a radical and brilliant idea and in my eyes would have more of a long term benefit to the England team than any idiotic notions of B teams and other such nonsense. The 92 and even further down these days is the one thing that truly makes this a great football nation and making that unique asset stronger has to be better than focusing on the self obsessed elite. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 12:45:04 GMT
There was a thread on here only a few days ago where half the replies were people saying how happy they'd be if prices went up.
To be fair ... that was people saying they would accept a price rise, rather than 'advocating' that there actually should be a price rise.
It's clear (as has already been said) that Coates is referring to the guy on the Supporters Council who suggested it would be 'financial suicide' if the club didn't rise prices.
Oh, how everyone laughed... |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 11, 2016 13:10:51 GMT
To be fair ... that was people saying they would accept a price rise, rather than 'advocating' that there actually should be a price rise.
It's clear (as has already been said) that Coates is referring to the guy on the Supporters Council who suggested it would be 'financial suicide' if the club didn't rise prices.
It's the same difference as far as I'm concerned, Paul. Any thread on this forum about ticket prices should be greeted with a universal "The club are taking the fucking piss if they're even daring to think about upping prices given all the money coming in". Could you imagine if Tony Scholes came snooping on here for an idea of what fans thought, he saw a thread about ticket prices, opened it up & saw everyone saying "I'd be happy to pay more for my ticket". I think we can all guess what'd be coming, and it wouldn't be a price freeze! I also don't think it's clear that Coates is on about the one nob who used to be on the SC, otherwise he'd have surely said "We even had one fella who wanted a price increase", rather than "I get supporters saying put prices up". ... And whether it is one person, a million people or anywhere inbetween, I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone's first thought upon hearing the words 'ticket prices' thinks 'I'd happily pay more'. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2016 13:20:48 GMT
To be fair ... that was people saying they would accept a price rise, rather than 'advocating' that there actually should be a price rise.
It's clear (as has already been said) that Coates is referring to the guy on the Supporters Council who suggested it would be 'financial suicide' if the club didn't rise prices.
It's the same difference as far as I'm concerned, Paul. Any thread on this forum about ticket prices should be greeted with a universal "The club are taking the fucking piss if they're even daring to think about upping prices given all the money coming in". Could you imagine if Tony Scholes came snooping on here for an idea of what fans thought, he saw a thread about ticket prices, opened it up & saw everyone saying "I'd be happy to pay more for my ticket". I think we can all guess what'd be coming, and it wouldn't be a price freeze! I also don't think it's clear that Coates is on about the one nob who used to be on the SC, otherwise he'd have surely said "We even had one fella who wanted a price increase", rather than "I get supporters saying put prices up". ... And whether it is one person, a million people or anywhere inbetween, I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone's first thought upon hearing the words 'ticket prices' thinks 'I'd happily pay more'.
I think there's a significant (and fundamental) difference between (some) supporters saying that they would accept a price increase and a supporter saying that we NEED to increase prices.
But hey I'm happy to agree to disagree.
With regard to Coates, he's got far more class than that imho.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 11, 2016 18:18:53 GMT
"Strangely enough, I do get supporters saying we should put prices up! Perhaps they think we need the money, but we haven't taken their advice so far." www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Mark-Hughes-make-Ryan-Shawcross/story-28700194-detail/story.html#ixzz3zqj9NHTX You wot? "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, any chance you could up prices please sir I'm worried they're a bit cheap?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, don't fill in those corners please in fact could you remove one please so we can be at 120% capacity I'm worried about % capacity?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, those New Balance kits are a bit too trendy aren't they I quite liked Matchwinner, any chance?" "Mr Coates, Mr Coates, I'm feeling a bit nostalgic for when everything was a bit shit, any chance you could stop improving all this stuff?" Whoever you are, give your brain a wobble. You're not speaking for me. I quite like where we're going and what we stand for. Is that the minutes from the latest supporters council meeting? Edit: sorry, already been mentioned |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 18:21:32 GMT
Mental.
No problem with clubs charging out the arse for shirts, pies, beers or whatever else but the tickets should be 10-15 quid.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 11, 2016 18:21:41 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. What a bunch of fucking pillocks. Who are these people? Are we not the poorest city in the country with a premier league team? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2016 18:27:12 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. Bloody hell |
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 11, 2016 19:43:02 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. The problem is that some people are so chuffed to be in the same room as the important people at the club they imagine that they are in the inner circle and representing the club not the supporters. We had it on the fans forum. At one meeting I was trying to get the club to dispense with their new (but now well established) policy of selling season tickets with a cut off in March (when we didn't know what league we'd be in) if you wanted a discount and be guaranteed to keep your seat. Gunnar asked the assembled members if everyone felt like I did and whether they felt it unfair. I got little support and a good number told him that they would buy a season ticket no matter what, no matter when they went on sale and no matter what the price was within reason! I was angry because I know that this is not how most supporters felt and in fact it was just an invitation to the club to treat us as badly as they liked because it would make no difference to revenue. It was completely wrong of course and sycophantic codswallop that didn't help the club at all! When I expressed my anger and dismay at the other members for not representing the interests of the fans I was told that we weren't a pressure group and if I wanted to start one I should bugger off from the forum! I should add that this is NOT how the chairman of the fans forum felt but a good number of the others many of whom are very well known fans. BM |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 19:59:22 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. The club could save the price of a couple of packets of Hob Nobs by abolishing this meaningless talking shop..... |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 11, 2016 20:19:37 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 11, 2016 20:50:14 GMT
I honestly wouldn't renew if they put up the prices.
I'm actually thinking of not renewing next year anyway, but that would definitely confirm it.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 11, 2016 21:15:52 GMT
Those infamous meeting minutes once more: www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/supporters-council-meeting-minutes-2115727.aspxAlan Clarke said that it would be "financial suicide to keep the prices the same", Andrew Copestick "agreed" with Alan, Roger Bennett "feels that an increase is justified", Joe Haynes says the Club "could warrant a ... price increase", John Slaney agreed with the other's views. Ladies & Gentlemen, these are the people that represent you to the hierarchy of your Football Club!! FFS. Not long after this meeting was held on 22nd November 2014 wasn't it announced that Stoke City were the 30th richest football club in the entire world. Stoke City Supporters Council representing your average Stoke City fan...or not as the case maybe. The last time I was moved/bored enough to look at the Supporter Council minutes Clarke was still an active member much to the eternal shame of the group. I stopped checking on the members list when I saw Ilford Dave had been incorporated - after he failed to get enough votes to be elected on in the first place. A bloke who runs a Twitter account taking the piss out of Stoke supporters by the way. See The Oatcake Meltdown and reconcile yourself with the fact that the SC are happy to have him representing you. Mind you last time I checked he was agitating over the major issue of the music being too loud for his sensitive ears. I suppose every individual and group finds its natural level. |
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