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Post by crapslinger on Feb 11, 2016 22:46:35 GMT
So Sunderland have terminated his contract. Have they kept his registration or let that go too? Hw will be on a register that is for sure, should brand the fucker with a P on his forehead along with the rest of the child molesting scum bags.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 11, 2016 22:47:43 GMT
Port Vale possible next club they will take any criminal.
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Post by haway on Feb 11, 2016 23:53:50 GMT
I think plenty, possibly the majority of clubs in Sunderland's position would have done the same thing. He was innocent until proven guilty. If they'd suspended him for months and he'd then been found innocent, and Sunderland went on to be relegated by a narrow margin, I doubt their fans would have looked kindly on the decision not to play one of their few assets. From the club's point of view, they may also have felt they were backing a man who again, was innocent until found guilty. I don't really think they did much wrong, and potentially could have looked pretty stupid if they'd acted differently. One of those 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situations. Talking earlier to a good friend in the NE who associates with a few informed people told me that SFC are absolutely in shock as to his admittance of guilt as they had supported him throughout due to his continual denial. Behind the scenes there is a lot of anger by his admission!!! As I've already said then. Your friend must have a similar source to me.
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Post by haway on Feb 11, 2016 23:55:31 GMT
Sacked him now. Would have been sorting out things behind the scenes probably. I'll get some details tomorrow. I said on a thread last year Sunderland were making a mistake bringing him back into the fold! This covers your famous club in mud or something much worse?! Despite the club doing nothing wrong, it does look poor on us - like when clubs play any sort of criminals (Ched Evans or Lee Hughes come to mind)
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Post by haway on Feb 11, 2016 23:57:58 GMT
Sacked him now. Would have been sorting out things behind the scenes probably. I'll get some details tomorrow. I personally don't think Sunderland have handled it particularly well. I reckon most employers would put you on a fully paid suspension in the circumstances until it was cleared up either way. To suspend him and then say "oh go on then you can play" smacks of "as long as we stay up" which is pretty cynical. It worked for them though. He came to the club and said he believes he is 100% not guilty and got lawyers in to emphasise that claim - I have sources telling me that constantly to the lead up to the trial. He basically knew he was in the wrong but lied to us to ensure he gets paid - we have a right to sue for gross misconduct against us for his wages and/or bonuses I imagine. Bottom line is he lied to us and the players to get extra money. Nice one AJ you fucking nonce.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 12, 2016 0:06:00 GMT
I said on a thread last year Sunderland were making a mistake bringing him back into the fold! This covers your famous club in mud or something much worse?! Despite the club doing nothing wrong, it does look poor on us - like when clubs play any sort of criminals (Ched Evans or Lee Hughes come to mind) I disagree. The club handled it perfectly properly and correctly stood by their player as he was at that point innocent. They will rightly be angry that he has now changed his mind and confessed. The only party who looks poor is the player.
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Post by haway on Feb 12, 2016 6:37:10 GMT
Despite the club doing nothing wrong, it does look poor on us - like when clubs play any sort of criminals (Ched Evans or Lee Hughes come to mind) I disagree. The club handled it perfectly properly and correctly stood by their player as he was at that point innocent. They will rightly be angry that he has now changed his mind and confessed. The only party who looks poor is the player. I agree the club done nothing wrong, but some people will still think we were wrong (ignoring the fact he came to the club and convinced us and fellow players he was totally innocent).
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Post by gonk on Feb 12, 2016 6:43:14 GMT
Despite the club doing nothing wrong, it does look poor on us - like when clubs play any sort of criminals (Ched Evans or Lee Hughes come to mind) I disagree. The club handled it perfectly properly and correctly stood by their player as he was at that point innocent. They will rightly be angry that he has now changed his mind and confessed. The only party who looks poor is the player. I don't think they have handled properly.As i said early in the tread he should have been suspend till it was sorted out one way or the other.As now people are saying that they only keep playing him so they could stay up last season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 12, 2016 7:44:18 GMT
Lock 'im up, he's obviously not fit to live in society. He's pish at football anyway.
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Post by felonious on Feb 12, 2016 7:52:41 GMT
I disagree. The club handled it perfectly properly and correctly stood by their player as he was at that point innocent. They will rightly be angry that he has now changed his mind and confessed. The only party who looks poor is the player. I agree the club done nothing wrong, but some people will still think we were wrong (ignoring the fact he came to the club and convinced us and fellow players he was totally innocent). Lied to the club, presumably lied to the PFA who then put pressure on the club and we'll never know if he lied to his representatives will we? Throw in innocent until proved guilty and Sunderland are in a no win situation.
From the BBC site "After Johnson's arrest in March 2015, the club suspended him, but then lifted the ban following talks with his representatives and the Professional Footballers' Association" Let's all blame the PFA if we need someone to blame.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 12, 2016 8:21:27 GMT
I agree the club done nothing wrong, but some people will still think we were wrong (ignoring the fact he came to the club and convinced us and fellow players he was totally innocent). Lied to the club, presumably lied to the PFA who then put pressure on the club and we'll never know if he lied to his representatives will we? Throw in innocent until proved guilty and Sunderland are in a no win situation.
From the BBC site "After Johnson's arrest in March 2015, the club suspended him, but then lifted the ban following talks with his representatives and the Professional Footballers' Association" Let's all blame the PFA if we need someone to blame.
If 'AJ' lied to the P.F.A., I agree with 'haway' the villain here is entirely 'AJ' though I think Sunderland could still have suspended him on full pay until after the case. The case has been heard later than originally planned so Sunderland would have got 'AJ' back playing again early assuming he had been proven innocent?
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Post by salopstick on Feb 12, 2016 9:01:13 GMT
On the 8 o'clock talk sport news. Nothing about his sacking
Smacks of the football "family" reporting as little as possible
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 9:07:48 GMT
Lied to the club, presumably lied to the PFA who then put pressure on the club and we'll never know if he lied to his representatives will we? Throw in innocent until proved guilty and Sunderland are in a no win situation.
From the BBC site "After Johnson's arrest in March 2015, the club suspended him, but then lifted the ban following talks with his representatives and the Professional Footballers' Association" Let's all blame the PFA if we need someone to blame.
If 'AJ' lied to the P.F.A., I agree with 'haway' the villain here is entirely 'AJ' though I think Sunderland could still have suspended him on full pay until after the case. The case has been heard later than originally planned so Sunderland would have got 'AJ' back playing again early assuming he had been proven innocent? Sunderland should now sue AJ for the salary he has earned between when he lied to them/the PFA until now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 9:29:55 GMT
I'll give it until September 3rd before he's touted on here as a free agent target once the summer window has closed.
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Post by MilanStokie on Feb 12, 2016 10:25:37 GMT
I'll give it until September 3rd before he's touted on here as a free agent target once the summer window has closed. I dont see him ever playing top flight again. Championship club at best. Too much of a risk for a big club to take him on. I can see him ending up at somewhere like Hartlepool in a couple of years.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 12, 2016 11:04:02 GMT
Lied to the club, presumably lied to the PFA who then put pressure on the club and we'll never know if he lied to his representatives will we? Throw in innocent until proved guilty and Sunderland are in a no win situation.
From the BBC site "After Johnson's arrest in March 2015, the club suspended him, but then lifted the ban following talks with his representatives and the Professional Footballers' Association" Let's all blame the PFA if we need someone to blame.
If 'AJ' lied to the P.F.A., I agree with 'haway' the villain here is entirely 'AJ' though I think Sunderland could still have suspended him on full pay until after the case. The case has been heard later than originally planned so Sunderland would have got 'AJ' back playing again early assuming he had been proven innocent? I don't really see what else Sunderland could have done. The concept in our justice system of "innocent until proven guilty" means exactly that. People should be treated as innocent until proven guilty except in exceptional circumstances. If the prosecution authority can persuade the court before trial that the person charged may repeat a serious offence before trial then the suspect will be remanded in custody until trial. If on the other hand bail is granted, then unless the bail conditions preclude the suspect from working before the trial then his employer would be expected to let him return to work - unless it was felt that he would be unable to do his job properly. In my time working in Plymouth we had two members of staff charged with serious offences. Both claimed innocence. One of them seemed very confident that he could prove it and asked to be allowed to continue working and said that if his performance dipped he would accept suspension. He carried on working and eventually the charges were dropped before the case got to trial and someone was eventually charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. The second colleague fell apart and was in no fit state to work - he accepted a suspension on full pay - less overtime and shift allowances. He was eventually found guilty. The eventual guilt or innocence makes no difference to the way they were treated - the one who was deemed fit to work was allowed to work, the one who wasn't deemed fit to work was suspended. Personally I hope Sunderland are able to recoup some or all of the wages Johnson was able to claim from them under what were clearly false pretences.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2016 11:21:33 GMT
I disagree. The club handled it perfectly properly and correctly stood by their player as he was at that point innocent. They will rightly be angry that he has now changed his mind and confessed. The only party who looks poor is the player. I don't think they have handled properly.As i said early in the tread he should have been suspend till it was sorted out one way or the other.As now people are saying that they only keep playing him so they could stay up last season. spot on point made below yours mate. Sunderland DID originally suspend him but it was after talks with the PFA that they re-instated him. he was originally arrested nearly a year ago, you can't suspend someone on full pay for over a year (which it will be by the time the trial is over) and just let them sit there taking a wage without playing. that would look even worse IMO...suspend someone because they MAY be a criminal (which is all it was at the time..MAY not IS) and pay that possible criminal tens of thousands a week for doing fuck all? that's a far worse message to send out. If Johnson has lied to the club, the PFA and presumably the club's and the PFAs lawyers then the fault lies with him and him alone.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 12, 2016 11:25:49 GMT
I'll give it until September 3rd before he's touted on here as a free agent target once the summer window has closed. I dont see him ever playing top flight again. Championship club at best. Too much of a risk for a big club to take him on. I can see him ending up at somewhere like Hartlepool in a couple of years. i don't see him playing any level of professional football again mate. we all saw the media and PR outrage at Ched Evans when Sheffield United were thinking of keeping him. That was a bloke who still insists he's innocent and had a far far smaller media presence in the game than Johnson does and Johnson has also freely admitted he did it (at least 2 charges anyway). complete PR suicide for any club at any level to go near him from here on in i reckon. career over, done, finito, dead as a fucking dodo
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Post by salopstick on Feb 12, 2016 11:27:59 GMT
I dont see him ever playing top flight again. Championship club at best. Too much of a risk for a big club to take him on. I can see him ending up at somewhere like Hartlepool in a couple of years. i don't see him playing any level of professional football again mate. we all saw the media and PR outrage at Ched Evans when Sheffield United were thinking of keeping him. That was a bloke who still insists he's innocent and had a far far smaller media presence in the game than Johnson does and Johnson has also freely admitted he did it (at least 2 charges anyway). complete PR suicide for any club at any level to go near him from here on in i reckon. career over, done, finito, dead as a fucking dodo News black out in China. He will go somewhere like that
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 12, 2016 11:40:18 GMT
Well done to Sunderland for their actions. There will be some arse of a chairman who puts winning football matches higher than morals that will offer him a contract. And as others have said there will be some on here who think he 'could do a job' for us next season....such is football a sport that long lost its moral compass.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 12, 2016 11:51:51 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2016 12:00:18 GMT
Mods/Admis - Why were posts from this thread deleted last night? We're all adults, just not necessary in my opinion. I don't particularly like Sunderland, or their fans (sorry haway ) but to those saying they handled this wrong, no they didn't. Sunderland handled this situation admirably, they should be roundly praised by all, not criticized ( nicholasjalcock ). Suspending or sacking Adam Johnson before he was found guilty would have set an incredibly dangerous precedent. Like it or not, football clubs are global organizations and as such big decisions they make can funnel down through society. If Sunderland had suspended Johnson, it would have sent a message to other companies around the world that the correct course of action when a man is accused of a sexual crime is to simply suspend or sack them, no questions asked. Do you want to live in a country where someone can spitefully and quite effectively ruin your life by falsely accusing you of rape? It's already happening and it seems the CPS are quite happy for it to happen. The accusation is NOT the evidence. The evidence is the evidence. Adam Johnson is guilty, but until it was proven (or admitted), he HAD to be treated as an innocent man. Radical feminism is becoming dangerously influential, both in government and the media. Men are being found guilty without any sort of trial, just because 'someone says so'. In a world where a dongle joke can lose a man his job and career, where brushing past a famous actress can result in a false sexual assault accusation and 15 months of your life being ruined (of course, her identity is protected for legal reasons *cough*), where Nobel prize winning scientists can lose their jobs on the back of serial lies by 'feminist academics', Sunderland have stood up and done the right thing. They supported their man, while he maintained his innocence. Once that situation changed, they have also done the right thing and terminated his contract. I don't think they could have handled it any better actually, well, except for maybe sacking him 5 minutes after he pleaded guilty rather than a day. Their handling of Adam Johnson should be held as the benchmark for other businesses, other football clubs and probably Alison Saunders and the CPS.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2016 12:05:15 GMT
I think some people should actually watch this page, to see just how much he manipulated her. He was a hero to her, and she absolutely loved him. He took advantage of that.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2016 12:23:55 GMT
Mods/Admis - Why were posts from this thread deleted last night? We're all adults, just not necessary in my opinion. Do you really think we're going to allow posts questioning whether it's wrong to have sex with a 15 year-old to remain on the board?
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2016 12:32:04 GMT
Mods/Admis - Why were posts from this thread deleted last night? We're all adults, just not necessary in my opinion. Do you really think we're going to allow posts questioning whether it's wrong to have sex with a 15 year-old to remain on the board? Absolutely not, but you've also got people like me, iwebbyyy and mickmills tearing them a new arsehole? By censoring them, they'll only think more of the same crap that they already think.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 12, 2016 12:44:04 GMT
Rotten what he did but just a thought, some cultures(in the dark ages) are still allowing nine year old girls to marry grown men. This really should be stopped in this day and age!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 12, 2016 12:45:42 GMT
Do you really think we're going to allow posts questioning whether it's wrong to have sex with a 15 year-old to remain on the board? Absolutely not, but you've also got people like me, iwebbyyy and mickmills tearing them a new arsehole? By censoring them, they'll only think more of the same crap that they already think. Thought the same myself, they were getting a right twating sick people, most are the posters who for some reason think they hold the high moral ground
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 12, 2016 12:47:13 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2016 12:48:40 GMT
Rotten what he did but just a thought, some cultures(in the dark ages) are still allowing nine year old girls to marry grown men. This really should be stopped in this day and age! So because other cultures allow it we should? I know your point but we have to hold ourselves up to our own standard and this guy is genuinely unpleasant. A few snippets from court, just for all those who think Johnson might have been 'a bit unlucky'. What a lovely man. He was fucking grooming her and some people thought it was acceptable to defend this utterly despicable filth. Edit: Oh and btw, remember my point about her age still being open ended? Yeah, she was 16 in November, and they were texting on NYE, so she was JUST 15. Not 2 weeks off her 16th birthday. Utterly disgusting.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 12, 2016 12:53:24 GMT
Rotten what he did but just a thought, some cultures(in the dark ages) are still allowing nine year old girls to marry grown men. This really should be stopped in this day and age! So because other cultures allow it we should? I know your point but we have to hold ourselves up to our own standard and this guy is genuinely unpleasant. A few snippets from court, just for all those who think Johnson might have been 'a bit unlucky'. What a lovely man. He was fucking grooming her and some people thought it was acceptable to defend this utterly despicable filth. Edit: Oh and btw, remember my point about her age still being open ended? Yeah, she was 16 in November, and they were texting on NYE, so she was JUST 15. Not 2 weeks off her 16th birthday. Utterly disgusting. I did not infer any such thing. We should NOT ALLOW IT!
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