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Post by liamo on Feb 10, 2016 13:39:19 GMT
The sick part is the grooming, it's easy to mistake a 15 year old for 20 and be completely innocent in certain misleading situations, in this case he didn't happen to sleep with a 15 year old, he targeted the girl because she was 15 and that is the difference between a drunk clueless idiot and a paedophile He targeted a girl BECAUSE she was 15? Really? H If it was the "club" theory there would be no grooming charge, grooming implies she told him she was 15 and he knew about it before pursuing her
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Post by jarhead on Feb 10, 2016 13:44:05 GMT
" Brunt added that although few details are known about the sex charge he has pleaded guilty to, it did involve the kissing and touching of his victim." That and the grooming will see him never playing football again, not to mention that the 2 charges he's denying he's probably guilty of too, it's just her word against his Where did Chris Brunt come into this ?????????????????? Don't tempt me ????????????
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 13:45:02 GMT
If he waited another 6 months he could of legally married her. Irrelevant. Overruled
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Post by RAF on Feb 10, 2016 13:57:34 GMT
Im not defending him, but ive seen my mate s 16 year old out and about and you would never question if she was younger than 25. Fact is these days if you are trawling the places that these footballers are you have to ask for their ID before knocking their back in, and thats before you give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they dont cry rape in the morning. I dont think he is a peado or a nonce I just think he is fucking thick as fuck and naive! H He wouldn't be on for grooming then would he? Not sure of the ins and outs as it goes with regards to the grooming charge but it goes without saying if he purposely groomed a 15 year old with the knowledge of her age then he needs fucking with a baseball bat. I'll wait until I see the facts before I condemn him. H
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 14:06:34 GMT
From red and white stripes to black and white stripes. No sponsor on the new kit he'll have too, might be a nice shirt
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Feb 10, 2016 14:07:38 GMT
Im not defending him, but ive seen my mate s 16 year old out and about and you would never question if she was younger than 25. Fact is these days if you are trawling the places that these footballers are you have to ask for their ID before knocking their back in, and thats before you give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they dont cry rape in the morning. I dont think he is a peado or a nonce I just think he is fucking thick as fuck and naive! H I only agree with you about twice a year, on average, Andy, but I'm totally with you on this one ( I may now need to lie down in a darkened room to get over it )
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 10, 2016 14:08:41 GMT
He wouldn't be on for grooming then would he? Not sure of the ins and outs as it goes with regards to the grooming charge but it goes without saying if he purposely groomed a 15 year old with the knowledge of her age then he needs fucking with a baseball bat. I'll wait until I see the facts before I condemn him. H He's pleaded guilty to the grooming charge hasn't he?
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 10, 2016 14:33:08 GMT
Can see where you're coming from RAF but the girl was a family friend and the few details that have come out so far centre around him and his contacting of her.
Definitely wasn't a drunken fling gone wrong scenario.
Very much strikes me as he's admitted what cannot possibly be denied and will hope for the best in the him vs her word of mouth debate.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 10, 2016 14:33:44 GMT
He wouldn't be on for grooming then would he? Not sure of the ins and outs as it goes with regards to the grooming charge but it goes without saying if he purposely groomed a 15 year old with the knowledge of her age then he needs fucking with a baseball bat. I'll wait until I see the facts before I condemn him. H Heres a couple of facts: The NSPCC's definition of child grooming: Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation. Thursday 10/2/16 Johnson pleads guilty to grooming. I'm struggling to see what exactly needs to be investigated following his confession, and I for one hope the dirty nonce gets whats due to him when he gets sent down. Following on from this I also hope that once he's done his time, no club ever offers him a chance to play again. I admit that I might be in the minority with that view following on from the support offered to the rapist Ched Evens on here.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2016 14:42:39 GMT
Not sure of the ins and outs as it goes with regards to the grooming charge but it goes without saying if he purposely groomed a 15 year old with the knowledge of her age then he needs fucking with a baseball bat. I'll wait until I see the facts before I condemn him. H Heres a couple of facts: The NSPCC's definition of child grooming: Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation. Thursday 10/2/16 Johnson pleads guilty to grooming. I'm struggling to see what exactly needs to be investigated following his confession, and I for one hope the dirty nonce gets whats due to him when he gets sent down. Following on from this I also hope that once he's done his time, no club ever offers him a chance to play again. I admit that I might be in the minority with that view following on from the support offered to the rapist Ched Evens on here. Seems that he has pleaded guilty to grooming therefore implying he knew how old she was, in my book that makes him a paedophile not sure how any normal person could defend him in the circumstances, sick depraved pervert deserves a long sentence in a main stream prison.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Feb 10, 2016 14:44:03 GMT
If he waited another 6 months he could of legally married her. Irrelevant. I agree, my comment was more to the situation of how thick and desperate is he?
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 10, 2016 14:56:57 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 10, 2016 15:09:54 GMT
"Upcoming fixtures", isn't that being a bit optimistic?
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Post by salopstick on Feb 10, 2016 15:11:21 GMT
How? Do our age laws take into account a days here or there? I'm happy for common sense to be applied in some cases but not here The law is what it is. He broke it.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 10, 2016 15:17:11 GMT
www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sexGroomingEngland and Wales It is an offence to befriend a child on the internet or by other online means and meet or intend to meet the child with the intention of abusing them. A Risk of Sexual Harm Order can be imposed on adults in order to prevent them from engaging in inappropriate sexual behaviour such as having sexual conversations with children online. The police can apply for such orders if they believe that someone poses a risk to young people under 16. The age of consent for sexEngland and Wales The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of the gender or sexual orientation of a person and whether the sexual activity is between people of the same or different gender. It is an offence for anyone to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 16. However, Home Office guidance [1] is clear that there is no intention to prosecute teenagers under the age of 16 where both mutually agree and where they are of a similar age. It is an offence for a person aged 18 or over to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 if the older person holds a position of trust (for example a teacher or social worker) as such sexual activity is an abuse of the position of trust. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 provides specific legal protection for children aged 12 and under who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape, assault by penetration, and causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. A quick Google will give you this information, there's no need to debate it on here. Gouranga.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2016 15:47:55 GMT
Not sure of the ins and outs as it goes with regards to the grooming charge but it goes without saying if he purposely groomed a 15 year old with the knowledge of her age then he needs fucking with a baseball bat. I'll wait until I see the facts before I condemn him. H Heres a couple of facts: The NSPCC's definition of child grooming: Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation. Thursday 10/2/16 Johnson pleads guilty to grooming. I'm struggling to see what exactly needs to be investigated following his confession, and I for one hope the dirty nonce gets whats due to him when he gets sent down. Following on from this I also hope that once he's done his time, no club ever offers him a chance to play again. I admit that I might be in the minority with that view following on from the support offered to the rapist Ched Evens on here. We should just give anyone that commits a crime a life sentence, given some of the views on here about letting them work, or not as the case may be, once they've done their time.
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 10, 2016 16:03:17 GMT
Heres a couple of facts: The NSPCC's definition of child grooming: Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation. Thursday 10/2/16 Johnson pleads guilty to grooming. I'm struggling to see what exactly needs to be investigated following his confession, and I for one hope the dirty nonce gets whats due to him when he gets sent down. Following on from this I also hope that once he's done his time, no club ever offers him a chance to play again. I admit that I might be in the minority with that view following on from the support offered to the rapist Ched Evens on here. We should just give anyone that commits a crime a life sentence, given some of the views on here about letting them work, or not as the case may be, once they've done their time. I'm all for reforming criminals and even agree with the more pragmatic approach to paedophiles that you see abroad (where they treat it as an illness until acted upon) but I can't see him playing football again. He'll probably get 7-8 years, serving 18-24 months so could theoretically play again but he'll have his movement restricted, not be allowed near children for a very long time, and rightly so, would you allow one of your kids to be the mascot holding his hand as the players come out?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 10, 2016 16:14:40 GMT
Heres a couple of facts: The NSPCC's definition of child grooming: Grooming is when someone builds an emotional connection with a child to gain their trust for the purposes of sexual abuse or exploitation. Thursday 10/2/16 Johnson pleads guilty to grooming. I'm struggling to see what exactly needs to be investigated following his confession, and I for one hope the dirty nonce gets whats due to him when he gets sent down. Following on from this I also hope that once he's done his time, no club ever offers him a chance to play again. I admit that I might be in the minority with that view following on from the support offered to the rapist Ched Evens on here. We should just give anyone that commits a crime a life sentence, given some of the views on here about letting them work, or not as the case may be, once they've done their time. Do you really mean what you have just typed. About 10% of the adult population have a criminal record - are you really saying you want about 5 million people locked away for life? Are you prepared to pay for this out of your taxes? At the moment the prison population is about 85,000 and we struggle to pay for that number of prisoners so how we'd pay for 5 million is beyond me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2016 16:22:16 GMT
We should just give anyone that commits a crime a life sentence, given some of the views on here about letting them work, or not as the case may be, once they've done their time. Do you really mean what you have just typed. About 10% of the adult population have a criminal record - are you really saying you want about 5 million people locked away for life? Are you prepared to pay for this out of your taxes? At the moment the prison population is about 85,000 and we struggle to pay for that number of prisoners so how we'd pay for 5 million is beyond me. No, I don't mean it in the slightest, the next line gives it away.
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 10, 2016 16:23:42 GMT
Dirty Mackem nonce bastard.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 10, 2016 16:24:30 GMT
Do you really mean what you have just typed. About 10% of the adult population have a criminal record - are you really saying you want about 5 million people locked away for life? Are you prepared to pay for this out of your taxes? At the moment the prison population is about 85,000 and we struggle to pay for that number of prisoners so how we'd pay for 5 million is beyond me. No, I don't mean it in the slightest, the next line gives it away. Then you worded your post VERY poorly!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 10, 2016 16:25:51 GMT
I'm staggered Sunderland let him play while this was hanging over him.
The fact he's pleaded guilty makes the decision to let him play all the more incredible.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 10, 2016 16:26:15 GMT
No, I don't mean it in the slightest, the next line gives it away. Then you worded your post VERY poorly! I got it fine
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 10, 2016 16:59:43 GMT
Johnson is accused of grooming the teenager between 30 December 2014 and 26 February 2015 and having met with her to carry out sexual activity knowing that she was under 16, the age of consent. Standing in the dock, Johnson answered “guilty”.
In a second count, Johnson is charged with intentionally touching the complainant in a sexual way knowing that she was under 16. He briefly consulted his legal team before answering “guilty, yeah”.
there you go lads, so anyone who uses this ludicrous "But they all look over the age of 16 nowadays" bollocks can put it to rest! the charges he has had plead guilty to specify that he "KNEW" she was under the age of 16.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2016 17:05:56 GMT
Im not defending him, but ive seen my mate s 16 year old out and about and you would never question if she was younger than 25. Fact is these days if you are trawling the places that these footballers are you have to ask for their ID before knocking their back in, and thats before you give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they dont cry rape in the morning. I dont think he is a peado or a nonce I just think he is fucking thick as fuck and naive! H Totally in agreement
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Post by happychappy on Feb 10, 2016 17:11:09 GMT
Im not defending him, but ive seen my mate s 16 year old out and about and you would never question if she was younger than 25. Fact is these days if you are trawling the places that these footballers are you have to ask for their ID before knocking their back in, and thats before you give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they dont cry rape in the morning. I dont think he is a peado or a nonce I just think he is fucking thick as fuck and naive! H Totally in agreement I agree with what your saying but in the context of this case Johnson I think knew the girl as she was a friend of the family. So he'd of known her age before anything happened. I've spoken to girls on a night out not knowing there age and finding out later there 15/16. It can be an honest mistake.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 10, 2016 17:11:39 GMT
Im not defending him, but ive seen my mate s 16 year old out and about and you would never question if she was younger than 25. Fact is these days if you are trawling the places that these footballers are you have to ask for their ID before knocking their back in, and thats before you give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they dont cry rape in the morning. I dont think he is a peado or a nonce I just think he is fucking thick as fuck and naive! H Totally in agreement in which case you need to look at the charges read out in court then mate. this is NOT, i repeat NOT a case of bumping into a girl who looked older. he has plead guilty to charge that SPECIFIED that he KNEW she was under the age of 16. in my opinion that one line RAF has used "have to ask for ID...give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they don't cry rape" is 1 where i see what he's saying in the grand scheme of things but in this particular matter it's fucking disgusting. Johnson has ADMITTED HIMSELF that he KNEW she was under 16 and did it anyway. i also don't see why RAF is happy to not castigate Johnson until he knows all the fact yet is happy to try to defend him in that way without knowing all the facts. for anyone to try to even slightly defend him (when he himself had admitted he knew what he did was against the law) is absolutely fucking abhorrent!!!!!
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2016 17:12:13 GMT
I believe age of consent may be lowered but then it all depends even on the Age of the other party to the sexual encounter. If a 15 year old girl has a 16 year old boyfriend and they both voluntarily have sex together I can't see that being tantamount to a crime from the part of the boyfriend; if however her boyfriend happens to be 28 years old that's a different story altogether
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 10, 2016 17:14:29 GMT
in which case you need to look at the charges read out in court then mate. this is NOT, i repeat NOT a case of bumping into a girl who looked older. he has plead guilty to charge that SPECIFIED that he KNEW she was under the age of 16. in my opinion that one line RAF has used "have to ask for ID...give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they don't cry rape" is fucking disgusting in the context of this particular matter. Johnson has ADMITTED HIMSELF that he KNEW she was under 16 and did it anyway. for anyone to try to even slightly defend him (when he himself had admitted he knew what he did was against the law) is absolutely fucking abhorrent!!!!! If he knew her and therefore knew her age then lock him in the shithole and throw away the key It's an extremely serious offense with the aggravating circumstance that he also plays for Blunderland
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 10, 2016 17:17:02 GMT
in which case you need to look at the charges read out in court then mate. this is NOT, i repeat NOT a case of bumping into a girl who looked older. he has plead guilty to charge that SPECIFIED that he KNEW she was under the age of 16. in my opinion that one line RAF has used "have to ask for ID...give them an alcohol breath test to make sure they don't cry rape" is fucking disgusting in the context of this particular matter. Johnson has ADMITTED HIMSELF that he KNEW she was under 16 and did it anyway. for anyone to try to even slightly defend him (when he himself had admitted he knew what he did was against the law) is absolutely fucking abhorrent!!!!! If he knew her and therefore knew her age then lock him in the shithole and throw away the key It's an extremely serious offense with the aggravating circumstance that he also plays for Blunderland the charges read out in court that he has plead guilty to are 1 count of sexual activity with a minor he knew was under the age of 16 and 1 charge of grooming with the intent of sexual activity with a minor he knew was under the age of 16. apparently he briefly looked at his legal team before saying "Yeah, guilty". as i say, i know what RAF is saying as (without bringing up specific cases and i don't want this thread to get overtaken with that 1 infamous case as this is a VERY different situation) there are plenty of people who do change their mind the morning after/target footballers etc. but this case is 100% nothing even remotely similar to those kind of situations. to try and muddy the waters and link this case to one of those kind of scenarios is just wrong IMO.
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