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Post by no1972 on Feb 9, 2016 19:43:47 GMT
I thought it was crap the first time I saw I and I still think it's crap. Access is a joke and unless you want to buy a car there is bugger all around it. It's by far the worst of "the new grounds" There is simply no excuse for not upgrading it. Bloody horrible place. It's not a new ground anymore,when it was built there were no car showrooms,any business or pub could of brought a piece of land and started up,but they did not because been assosicated with SCFC in those days was not the done thing.Once the club was on the up then your Fords/Audi/Honda then VW moved in because it's good to say next to the Brit home of SCFC a premiership football club.Like I have said before we were down on our knees no money,had to sell Sheron if we would of being bankrupt,we did not even own the ground only the offices,yes it does look battered but it's were SCFC play,if more people had got behind the club in the late 90s we might of been able to build a better ground,one of the options at the time was to build a 18000 stadium maybe this would of looked better.
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Post by no1972 on Feb 9, 2016 19:45:47 GMT
What do you want a playground or a shopping mall so your misses can go shopping while you watch the game on heated seats.Jesus Christ what are we turning into. The Victoria Ground used to be in the vicinity of houses and shops and pubs and roads. How gay. My nipper asked a simple question that I couldn't answer. What a wet twat of a fan of 35+ years I am. Yes it was but your nipper would not of seen it.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 9, 2016 22:58:46 GMT
Lets be honest, only SOT CC could turn down a large wall at a football stadium based on advertising, yet allow knights, within sight of the stadium, to add some enormous backlit ad to the side of its building. It takes the piss.
Surely thats grounds for an appeal?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 9, 2016 23:05:14 GMT
If Stoke City wanted to do it they'd force the council to approve it. My guess is that the club and Peter Coates are pretty powerful in this City.
The club just doesn't look after its customers well enough.
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Post by AlliG on Feb 9, 2016 23:24:34 GMT
I am surprised that if the club don't want to fill in a corner with seats, why they haven't done something like this over the top of the shop / dressing room
Surely even our club could manage to sell/lease offices, function rooms and executive boxes and it would help to block off the prevailing wind.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 10, 2016 9:12:02 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop!
Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!".
If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements.
I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Feb 10, 2016 14:25:42 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop! Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!". If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements. I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere. The thing that really pee's me off is the suggestion from the club that they are only prepared to make the improvements when funding is available, what a load of bo****ks if now is not the time with all the TV money when will they have a better opportunity to provide their CUSTOMERS with a fit for purpose venue, don't they realise the harm that their penny pinching small time approach is doing to the Stoke City/Bet365 brand?
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Feb 11, 2016 13:23:09 GMT
Scholes has apparently said that when the developments are completed we will have a world class training facility that will help us compete to attract top quality players, what a pity then that we also have a lower league playing facility which makes us a laughing stock and will do exactly the opposite. Sort it out Mr Coates.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2016 13:28:49 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop! Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!". If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements. I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere. The thing that really pee's me off is the suggestion from the club that they are only prepared to make the improvements when funding is available, what a load of bo****ks if now is not the time with all the TV money when will they have a better opportunity to provide their CUSTOMERS with a fit for purpose venue, don't they realise the harm that their penny pinching small time approach is doing to the Stoke City/Bet365 brand?
Where and when have they said this fella?
Are you talking about the corner being filled in?
Cheers
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Post by ryan4england on Feb 11, 2016 13:37:40 GMT
I said when stoke moved in this stadium years ago that they should plant them huge fast growing conifer trees in the corners of the ground. If they were planted then they would be 40 ft high now and a windbreak. Could of easily been removed if & when a corner stand was built in
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Feb 11, 2016 13:59:51 GMT
The thing that really pee's me off is the suggestion from the club that they are only prepared to make the improvements when funding is available, what a load of bo****ks if now is not the time with all the TV money when will they have a better opportunity to provide their CUSTOMERS with a fit for purpose venue, don't they realise the harm that their penny pinching small time approach is doing to the Stoke City/Bet365 brand?
Where and when have they said this fella?
Are you talking about the corner being filled in?
Cheers
No in this instance I referring to screens being put in the corners, sorry for the confusion.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 11, 2016 14:07:25 GMT
I said when stoke moved in this stadium years ago that they should plant them huge fast growing conifer trees in the corners of the ground. If they were planted then they would be 40 ft high now and a windbreak. Could of easily been removed if & when a corner stand was built in those fast growing conifers you're talking about make insurance a nightmare and would be bloody dangerous in a football ground situation. the roots can stretch for hundreds of feet underneath foundations of the stadium which can leave to subsidence, landslip and heave. no way would they have risked future subsidence to a building that will be housing 30,000 people at a time (Sorry, got my insurers hat on today )
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2016 14:48:46 GMT
Where and when have they said this fella?
Are you talking about the corner being filled in?
Cheers
No in this instance I referring to screens being put in the corners, sorry for the confusion. Right got yer.
That quote was from years ago wasn't it, with regard to them not being granted a licence to use the screens for advertising?
However, you are absolutely correct, the club might not want (for whatever reason) to fill the corner in but there is absolute no excuse (with the revenue currently coming into the club) not to go back to their original plan of erecting substantial windbreaks, like they have done at the Hawthornes.
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Post by ryan4england on Feb 11, 2016 16:28:26 GMT
I said when stoke moved in this stadium years ago that they should plant them huge fast growing conifer trees in the corners of the ground. If they were planted then they would be 40 ft high now and a windbreak. Could of easily been removed if & when a corner stand was built in those fast growing conifers you're talking about make insurance a nightmare and would be bloody dangerous in a football ground situation. the roots can stretch for hundreds of feet underneath foundations of the stadium which can leave to subsidence, landslip and heave. no way would they have risked future subsidence to a building that will be housing 30,000 people at a time (Sorry, got my insurers hat on today ) should of planted loads of them then we'd be needing a new ground right about now
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 11, 2016 16:47:26 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop! Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!". If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements. I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere. Obviously sleeping on the job; a bit like the defence last Saturday.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2016 18:37:27 GMT
No in this instance I referring to screens being put in the corners, sorry for the confusion. Right got yer.
That quote was from years ago wasn't it, with regard to them not being granted a licence to use the screens for advertising?
However, you are absolutely correct, the club might not want (for whatever reason) to fill the corner in but there is absolute no excuse (with the revenue currently coming into the club) not to go back to their original plan of erecting substantial windbreaks, like they have done at the Hawthornes.
Yeah - I'd like to see Scholesy or Denise's hubby put on the spot about that. Given that they wanted to do it in 2009 - it's not immediately obvious what impediment there'd be now with the way the TV lolly has gone through the roof. You'd think somrthing rudimentary like this could be funded with the equivalent of a couple of weeks of Brek Shea/Jamie Ness's wages?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 11, 2016 20:04:44 GMT
Right got yer.
That quote was from years ago wasn't it, with regard to them not being granted a licence to use the screens for advertising?
However, you are absolutely correct, the club might not want (for whatever reason) to fill the corner in but there is absolute no excuse (with the revenue currently coming into the club) not to go back to their original plan of erecting substantial windbreaks, like they have done at the Hawthornes.
Yeah - I'd like to see Scholesy or Denise's hubby put on the spot about that. Given that they wanted to do it in 2009 - it's not immediately obvious what impediment there'd be now with the way the TV lolly has gone through the roof. You'd think somrthing rudimentary like this could be funded with the equivalent of a couple of weeks of Brek Shea/Jamie Ness's wages?
Apparently Scholes is on it as we speak Grapey ...
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Feb 11, 2016 20:05:30 GMT
Right got yer.
That quote was from years ago wasn't it, with regard to them not being granted a licence to use the screens for advertising?
However, you are absolutely correct, the club might not want (for whatever reason) to fill the corner in but there is absolute no excuse (with the revenue currently coming into the club) not to go back to their original plan of erecting substantial windbreaks, like they have done at the Hawthornes.
Yeah - I'd like to see Scholesy or Denise's hubby put on the spot about that. Given that they wanted to do it in 2009 - it's not immediately obvious what impediment there'd be now with the way the TV lolly has gone through the roof. You'd think somrthing rudimentary like this could be funded with the equivalent of a couple of weeks of Brek Shea/Jamie Ness's wages? When we were promoted we had a less talented squad and we needed every trick in the book to survive the first couple of seasons, the weather pouring in through those corners was a great leveller in Pulisball where the object was to first stop a game of football. so I find it puzzling that the management of our club are happy to sign quality players to lift our profile as a worldwide brand and then expect them to play a good portion of their home games in stadium conditions that nullify the abilities that they have paid so much to acquire.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 12, 2016 20:31:36 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop! Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!". If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements. I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere. The bigger picture (for me) is I don't think we need the corners filling in particularly. I don't think we'd sustain 4,000 extra seats at all and we'd struggle with 2,000 extra seats. Our fans are some of the ficklest around and if we got relegated, we'd be back to sub 20k attendances in 2 seasons if we didn't get promoted imo. It's not an alright Jack attitude, it's just one of not having much faith in our support.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 12, 2016 20:32:42 GMT
Scholes has apparently said that when the developments are completed we will have a world class training facility that will help us compete to attract top quality players, what a pity then that we also have a lower league playing facility which makes us a laughing stock and will do exactly the opposite. Sort it out Mr Coates. No it doesn't. Who's laughing?
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Post by lordb on Feb 12, 2016 21:34:52 GMT
Still find it unbelievable that we have a mentality demonstrated by quite a few on here, akin to "bunch of softies on here wanting - corners filled in, ground improvements, should sit in wind and rain to make it difficult experience for away teams, you are lucky today remember the Vic" - and other complete tosh and codswallop! Next, some Herbert will start bleating on about something like "rain and wind? You're lucky, we used to tramp to work 4 hours each way and still get a 16 hour shift in!". If we continue to get bone-brained, idiotic posts resisting ground improvements, at an optimal time to fund such work, then it will simply send a clear message to the dithering powers that be, that the unacceptable state (facilities and capacity) can be allowed to fester on at the expense of entirely justified and urgently required improvements. I'm alright Jack attitude, without seeing the big picture, will get us absolutely nowhere. The bigger picture (for me) is I don't think we need the corners filling in particularly. I don't think we'd sustain 4,000 extra seats at all and we'd struggle with 2,000 extra seats. Our fans are some of the ficklest around and if we got relegated, we'd be back to sub 20k attendances in 2 seasons if we didn't get promoted imo. It's not an alright Jack attitude, it's just one of not having much faith in our support. If we get relegated the ground is way too big as it is. What do you suggest,knock down a stand? We would fill extra 2000 no problem at all,selling out v Bournemouth and Watford tells you that. 4000 extra? Maybe not but if the prices were a little lower we would. For some games we could get way past 40000 for others 30000 would be about right. Does the ground have to be full every game? Really? If it does then just build one corner, the cheaper and easier scoreboard corner. The argument gas been won, only the latest of nay sayers could be against that one corner being done now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 21:47:25 GMT
Right got yer.
That quote was from years ago wasn't it, with regard to them not being granted a licence to use the screens for advertising?
However, you are absolutely correct, the club might not want (for whatever reason) to fill the corner in but there is absolute no excuse (with the revenue currently coming into the club) not to go back to their original plan of erecting substantial windbreaks, like they have done at the Hawthornes.
Yeah - I'd like to see Scholesy or Denise's hubby put on the spot about that. Given that they wanted to do it in 2009 - it's not immediately obvious what impediment there'd be now with the way the TV lolly has gone through the roof. You'd think somrthing rudimentary like this could be funded with the equivalent of a couple of weeks of Brek Shea/Jamie Ness's wages? You could knock one if those corners up over a weekend. And it'll look way better than it does now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 12, 2016 22:20:26 GMT
The bigger picture (for me) is I don't think we need the corners filling in particularly. I don't think we'd sustain 4,000 extra seats at all and we'd struggle with 2,000 extra seats. Our fans are some of the ficklest around and if we got relegated, we'd be back to sub 20k attendances in 2 seasons if we didn't get promoted imo. It's not an alright Jack attitude, it's just one of not having much faith in our support. If we get relegated the ground is way too big as it is. What do you suggest,knock down a stand? We would fill extra 2000 no problem at all,selling out v Bournemouth and Watford tells you that. 4000 extra? Maybe not but if the prices were a little lower we would. For some games we could get way past 40000 for others 30000 would be about right. Does the ground have to be full every game? Really? If it does then just build one corner, the cheaper and easier scoreboard corner. The argument gas been won, only the latest of nay sayers could be against that one corner being done now. It's better to be full than having a thousand empty seats imo. I just don't think the support warrants it and the cup crowds are show that imo. And I like the Brit how it is. It needs sprucing up and the concourses need to be made bigger but that's about it. The corners bother me not.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 12, 2016 23:15:48 GMT
If we get relegated the ground is way too big as it is. What do you suggest,knock down a stand? We would fill extra 2000 no problem at all,selling out v Bournemouth and Watford tells you that. 4000 extra? Maybe not but if the prices were a little lower we would. For some games we could get way past 40000 for others 30000 would be about right. Does the ground have to be full every game? Really? If it does then just build one corner, the cheaper and easier scoreboard corner. The argument gas been won, only the latest of nay sayers could be against that one corner being done now. It's better to be full than having a thousand empty seats imo. I just don't think the support warrants it and the cup crowds are show that imo. And I like the Brit how it is. It needs sprucing up and the concourses need to be made bigger but that's about it. The corners bother me not. Well done bayern. For approximately 12-18 months you have managed to spout utter shit on almost every subject you address, and on average about 20 times a day. Anyway, anyone who cares about the club creating a legacy would love to see us in an improved stadium with 5-6 thousand extra capacity, and make it a safe standing section.... be ambitious and expand the support.
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Post by Gods on Feb 12, 2016 23:40:46 GMT
Yeah - I'd like to see Scholesy or Denise's hubby put on the spot about that. Given that they wanted to do it in 2009 - it's not immediately obvious what impediment there'd be now with the way the TV lolly has gone through the roof. You'd think somrthing rudimentary like this could be funded with the equivalent of a couple of weeks of Brek Shea/Jamie Ness's wages? You could knock one if those corners up over a weekend. And it'll look way better than it does now. It wouldn't though, that concrete wall looks awful. I'd far rather have the TV cameras be able to pan around views of the Matthews statue and the city of Stoke-on-Trent than that. The football club and the city together in unison or a wall made out of breeze blocks?
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 13, 2016 0:23:39 GMT
During the Norwich game the other week I noticed probably for the first time ever, (its an age thing more than likely) how friggin freezing it was, now I have sat there since day one more or less (97 not 2008 ), block 30 row 36, and I thought.....Oy Scholes, come sit here and tell me we don't need the effing corners filling in!! He wouldn't last till alf time!! With our current players its no advantage at all, thats a myth these days, against Everton when you walked down the steps at half time it was obvious how bad it was at pitch level. Those windbreakers like at Brazil would be ideal as a quick fix before actually building anything, plus, the way things could be heading with cheaper tickets will only mean more punters. Something needs doing, its the right time.
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Post by rawli on Feb 13, 2016 0:41:52 GMT
You could knock one if those corners up over a weekend. And it'll look way better than it does now. It wouldn't though, that concrete wall looks awful. I'd far rather have the TV cameras be able to pan around views of the Matthews statue and the city of Stoke-on-Trent than that. The football club and the city together in unison or a wall made out of breeze blocks? Put a window in the wall
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 13, 2016 0:44:01 GMT
It wouldn't though, that concrete wall looks awful. I'd far rather have the TV cameras be able to pan around views of the Matthews statue and the city of Stoke-on-Trent than that. The football club and the city together in unison or a wall made out of breeze blocks? Put a window in the wall Or a Muriel
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Post by mightyone on Feb 13, 2016 1:28:05 GMT
I am surprised that if the club don't want to fill in a corner with seats, why they haven't done something like this over the top of the shop / dressing room
Surely even our club could manage to sell/lease offices, function rooms and executive boxes and it would help to block off the prevailing wind. I totally agree and have previously posted a very similar article. Yes it's great we can splash out 18 million plus on one player but it also surely sends out a message that for £4 million we can finish our ground off?? We spend more on the academy which is not a bad thing and up to now has given us fuck all back £0. 2000 seats will give the club far more money in return compared to what the academy can at this moment in time. Come on Stoke just give us all us supporters what we know would be as exciting as signing the 20 goal a season striker!! WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS and enough to move the club forward. SKY believe in better.
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Post by pottarius on Feb 13, 2016 6:23:06 GMT
I am surprised that if the club don't want to fill in a corner with seats, why they haven't done something like this over the top of the shop / dressing room
Surely even our club could manage to sell/lease offices, function rooms and executive boxes and it would help to block off the prevailing wind. I totally agree and have previously posted a very similar article. Yes it's great we can splash out 18 million plus on one player but it also surely sends out a message that for £4 million we can finish our ground off?? We spend more on the academy which is not a bad thing and up to now has given us fuck all back £0. 2000 seats will give the club far more money in return compared to what the academy can at this moment in time. Come on Stoke just give us all us supporters what we know would be as exciting as signing the 20 goal a season striker!! WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS and enough to move the club forward. SKY believe in better. I think Stoke, as with most clubs sadly, now consider the tickets, the stadium and the access issues for fans as a minor irritation. The main income is from Sky, the main outgoing is to the players (and agents) - the money they are investing in CW is exactly what it is states, an investment to create future revenues. Stoke likely have predicted the maximum likely average attendance and thus are happy with the ugly, cold and out of date Brit as they cannot see an major renovation paying for itself (other than perhaps one of the corners) Its a sorry spectacle really but armchair fans paying for subscriptions to Sky, BT and their foreign equivalents are far more important to Scholes and the rest than those poor soles trying to make an atmosphere whilst shivering and getting soaked through in the concrete lump on the hill
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