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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 15:27:55 GMT
scam artists and bullies of the technological market and have been for years. produce phones that do nothing any other can't do, hold you to ransom to HAVE to pay them for anything you want to do , refuse to ever acknowledge they have made a mistake and now blocking people's phones who can't/won't pay their extortionate prices for repairs. used to have an ipad and although it was ok, having to pay for every bloody bit of software was ridiculous and the file sizes for images or music was absolutely ludicrous beyond belief! ended up selling it and getting an android tablet that does everything the ipad did (and more), has reasonable file sizes and i don't get ludicrous extortionate overcharging for the most basic of software that runs on everything else released since about 2005 as most other tablets include it as standard! disgustiing shithouse of a company but anyone who buys into them can't complain..they're quick enough to bang on ad infinitum to any android user about how much better their iphone is (even though it's no better at all) then moan like fuck when something like this happens. if people haven't cottoned onto their bully boy tactics by now and seen them for the dodgy fuckers they are then they never will! i wouldn't go near them. the only reason they do so well is because of fools who see the brand name so presume it must just be totally awesome..it's the modern day equivalent of having to have the latest Le shark t-shirts (showing my age there ) because...well, just because it's a cool name man! if people had a bit of sense and actually compared the Apple products with their alternatives BEFORE just handing over x hundred pounds to Apple, we wouldn't have this problem, it's just people who simply HAVE to have the latest Apple product. Baaa baaa baaaa where's the rest of the flock gone? Great rant haha.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 8, 2016 15:33:40 GMT
Great rant haha. i'm not a big fan...can you tell?
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 15:44:55 GMT
Great rant haha. i'm not a big fan...can you tell? Nor am I, can you tell?
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 8, 2016 15:52:40 GMT
But why, since you've already paid for the software should you have to pay silly money to add extra storage? The 16G iPhone has the software included in the price. So why when adding extra storage can they get away with a storage cost from 10 years ago? In the rest of the world, if someone tried to charge you that amount for storage they'd be laughed at. Maybe Apple owners just like going into the Apple store pulling down their trousers and bending over and shouting "come on Apple take me up the backside" - because really, that's what you're doing. I just don't care at the end of the day, I've used an android phone and a windows laptop and I didn't like them as much. I don't doubt apple over-charge, i don't doubt they screw customers over by forcing them to upgrade after a period of time but thus far it's not enough for me to want to change The thing is that you almost certainly don't like them (Android & Windows alternatives) because they're different. Once you're use to the things then you'd probably be equally as pleased - except you could probably treat yourself to a nice foreign holiday or enormous well spec'ed TV with the money that you haven't thrown at Apple. Personally if any company starts taking the piss and milking it's customers then I'll tell them what they can do. But then again if I'm buying something from a company then I'd like to be able sit down afterwards with squirming too much from the pain in my backside.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:53:19 GMT
I just don't care at the end of the day, I've used an android phone and a windows laptop and I didn't like them as much. I don't doubt apple over-charge, i don't doubt they screw customers over by forcing them to upgrade after a period of time but thus far it's not enough for me to want to change fair enough Everyone has their limits so maybe I'll reach mine eventually! I do love their software (other then iTunes on the computer that is which is utter fucking garbage, but I'm a spotify man so meh) and their controls are incredibly intuitive, the other smart thing they have is every fucker locked down on iMessage, at uni we have a group chat and if i were to swap to android I'd feel very left out! Much like sky I appreciate that it's run by bastards, and you're really overpaying for what you get massively and there are other far more reasonably priced alternatives. Likewise I respect people who won't give them their money for those excellent reasons but I'm a fickle, fickle bastard and I would rather have a touch pad on the mac then my dignity! Edit: ukcstokie also a relevant reply to your point!
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 16:08:27 GMT
fair enough Everyone has their limits so maybe I'll reach mine eventually! I do love their software (other then iTunes on the computer that is which is utter fucking garbage, but I'm a spotify man so meh) and their controls are incredibly intuitive, the other smart thing they have is every fucker locked down on iMessage, at uni we have a group chat and if i were to swap to android I'd feel very left out! Much like sky I appreciate that it's run by bastards, and you're really overpaying for what you get massively and there are other far more reasonably priced alternatives. Likewise I respect people who won't give them their money for those excellent reasons but I'm a fickle, fickle bastard and I would rather have a touch pad on the mac then my dignity! Edit: ukcstokie also a relevant reply to your point! So you're essentially spending £500 more than your Android friends.... for a posh version of WhatsApp. Good sell mate
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2016 16:27:11 GMT
Samsung are no more ethical
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 16:44:42 GMT
Samsung are no more ethical Samsung isn't Android...?
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Post by lexie on Feb 8, 2016 16:58:16 GMT
What would you recommend as an alternative to the latest IPhone?
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 17:20:16 GMT
What would you recommend as an alternative to the latest IPhone? Any number of Android's lol...
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2016 18:04:59 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 18:19:02 GMT
I don't think anyone is bleating on about ethics.... we're talking about Apple, how they treat their customers and the iPhone itself. That phone is toss in many other ways. MediaTek processor? Probably the least ethical processor company on the planet.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 8, 2016 21:23:11 GMT
A Snapdragon 4xx or 6xx phone are fantastic on a budget. Moto G, Galaxy S3 Neo, the S5 Neo, Xperia M4 and M5. Then the cheap MTK phones, Cubot X9 and P12, Xiaomi Rednote. So many cheaper alternatives, that offer more features, not as locked down, custom roms etc...
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 22:21:27 GMT
A Snapdragon 4xx or 6xx phone are fantastic on a budget. Moto G, Galaxy S3 Neo, the S5 Neo, Xperia M4 and M5. Then the cheap MTK phones, Cubot X9 and P12, Xiaomi Rednote. So many cheaper alternatives, that offer more features, not as locked down, custom roms etc... xiaomi do excellent phones including snapdragon's but keep away from anything MTK. they refuse to release kernel source code which means you'll struggle to get developer updates.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 8, 2016 22:50:06 GMT
A Snapdragon 4xx or 6xx phone are fantastic on a budget. Moto G, Galaxy S3 Neo, the S5 Neo, Xperia M4 and M5. Then the cheap MTK phones, Cubot X9 and P12, Xiaomi Rednote. So many cheaper alternatives, that offer more features, not as locked down, custom roms etc... xiaomi do excellent phones including snapdragon's but keep away from anything MTK. they refuse to release kernel source code which means you'll struggle to get developer updates. I did notice a distinct lack of AOSP and Cyanogenmod Roms's for practically any MTK phone. Shame really, because i have no doubt it'd do them good for sales. Get a cheap powerful MTK phone and just put custom roms on. But i cant see the source being released anytime soon though.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 8, 2016 22:51:19 GMT
A Snapdragon 4xx or 6xx phone are fantastic on a budget. Moto G, Galaxy S3 Neo, the S5 Neo, Xperia M4 and M5. Then the cheap MTK phones, Cubot X9 and P12, Xiaomi Rednote. So many cheaper alternatives, that offer more features, not as locked down, custom roms etc... xiaomi do excellent phones including snapdragon's but keep away from anything MTK. they refuse to release kernel source code which means you'll struggle to get developer updates. I think it's worth mentioning that the vast majority of Android users, do not root their phones, so the fact that manufacturers eventually cease development of their phones, is very real, for most Android users that like to hold on to their phones, until the phone gives up. I could go out today, and buy a new Android phone, with an old version of Android, that will never be updated. In some ways, Apple do a decent job in keeping their phones with an up to date version of iOS. That's as close to praise as I plan to get, for Apple, but then again, it's far easier to keep a single line of phones up to date, than it is for Android phone manufacturers, dealing with a full range of phones, each with their phone specific ROM. As for iOS and Android, in the early days, it was not until Eclair & Froyo did the feature set start to pull away from iOS, and from a GUI perspective, it took until ICS before they equalled iOS and Jelly Bean before they in my view, pulled ahead.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 23:14:18 GMT
xiaomi do excellent phones including snapdragon's but keep away from anything MTK. they refuse to release kernel source code which means you'll struggle to get developer updates. I did notice a distinct lack of AOSP and Cyanogenmod Roms's for practically any MTK phone. Shame really, because i have no doubt it'd do them good for sales. Get a cheap powerful MTK phone and just put custom roms on. But i cant see the source being released anytime soon though. I don't know why MTK don't release sources. They're technically violating several licenses, but they're not the first company to play hardball with source code.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2016 23:18:53 GMT
xiaomi do excellent phones including snapdragon's but keep away from anything MTK. they refuse to release kernel source code which means you'll struggle to get developer updates. I think it's worth mentioning that the vast majority of Android users, do not root their phones, so the fact that manufacturers eventually cease development of their phones, is very real, for most Android users that like to hold on to their phones, until the phone gives up. I could go out today, and buy a new Android phone, with an old version of Android, that will never be updated. In some ways, Apple do a decent job in keeping their phones with an up to date version of iOS. That's as close to praise as I plan to get, for Apple, but then again, it's far easier to keep a single line of phones up to date, than it is for Android phone manufacturers, dealing with a full range of phones, each with their phone specific ROM. As for iOS and Android, in the early days, it was not until Eclair & Froyo did the feature set start to pull away from iOS, and from a GUI perspective, it took until ICS before they equalled iOS and Jelly Bean before they in my view, pulled ahead. While you've got a point, Google don't nuke older devices. Say you don't get an update, Android apps built for Lollipop should work on ICS because legacy support is built in. What's more, apps built for Lollipop can work on gingerbread if v7 legacy libraries are infused with the app. Apple on the other hand have (as I call it) a long and rich history of planned obsolescence. Buy an old iPhone and you'll get access to about 20% of apps. Buy an old Android and you'll get access to 99% apps.
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Post by chrisgal on Feb 9, 2016 13:27:20 GMT
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Post by nicethrow on Feb 9, 2016 15:24:10 GMT
Can not stand anything Apple for this and 100 similar reasons. I refuse anything Apple even if it was free. The final straw for me was paying £30+ for a genuine cable (after paying £5 for a China version) to connect my phone to a TV, it worked fine until I updated the software. Called them up, if I wanted to connect my phone to a TV I needed to buy an Apple TV and the Genuine Wire will no longer work. Rob dogs. Android will hopefully wipe them out.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 9, 2016 15:58:27 GMT
Fantastic news as far as I'm concerned. They were dragged to court and forced to unbrick the thousands of devices they intentionally bricked for being jailbroken and hopefully, Apple will have to either push an update to undo this nasty anti-feature or perhaps offer some sort of warranty based repair. The first is the much easier of those two options. Can not stand anything Apple for this and 100 similar reasons. I refuse anything Apple even if it was free. The final straw for me was paying £30+ for a genuine cable (after paying £5 for a China version) to connect my phone to a TV, it worked fine until I updated the software. Called them up, if I wanted to connect my phone to a TV I needed to buy an Apple TV and the Genuine Wire will no longer work. Rob dogs. Android will hopefully wipe them out. I don't believe in wiping out, personally, because competition drives innovation. If Android wasn't around, Apple wouldn't innovate. If Apple wasn't around, Google (and all Android OEM's) wouldn't innovate. The more choice, the more innovation is expected and therefore companies have to deliver new and exciting features. Throw in the fact that Apple's loyal supporters will never jump ship, and the smartphone wars could be going on for many a year yet
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Post by salopstick on Feb 9, 2016 19:09:52 GMT
To be fair to Apple. They will let every device update to the latest iOS until it technically cannot.
My ipad2 still upgraded to iOS9
They don't make devise unable to upgrade for the sake of it
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 9, 2016 19:21:44 GMT
One feature which still perplexes me was making the iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 2G unable to use a bloody wallpaper on the home screen. We've had wallpapers on phones since about 2000 when colour screens started to become the norm, and Apple thought them devices couldn't handle a wallpaper? Why it needed 3 and 4G devices is beyond me
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 9, 2016 20:34:23 GMT
One feature which still perplexes me was making the iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 2G unable to use a bloody wallpaper on the home screen. We've had wallpapers on phones since about 2000 when colour screens started to become the norm, and Apple thought them devices couldn't handle a wallpaper? Why it needed 3 and 4G devices is beyond me It's quite simple, Apple is all about control, and you can draw a straight line between them wanting the phone to look they want it to look, and the debacle over people having the nerve to use third party repair services. It still makes me laugh when Apple users defend, "The Walled Garden" of the Appstore.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 9, 2016 20:55:26 GMT
One feature which still perplexes me was making the iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 2G unable to use a bloody wallpaper on the home screen. We've had wallpapers on phones since about 2000 when colour screens started to become the norm, and Apple thought them devices couldn't handle a wallpaper? Why it needed 3 and 4G devices is beyond me It's quite simple, Apple is all about control, and you can draw a straight line between them wanting the phone to look they want it to look, and the debacle over people having the nerve to use third party repair services. It still makes me laugh when Apple users defend, "The Walled Garden" of the Appstore. The Google Play Store is great because of the amount freedom publishers and developers have. Apple doesn't even allow amateur developers in the developers program. Because quoting from Apple 'We have lots of serious developers who don't want their quality Apps to be surrounded by amateur hour.' Why shouldn't a new developer get feedback from real individuals who download the app to improve it? Infact Demo's aren't allowed If it doesn't work with the Siri remote, it's rejected Pretty much all apps must use Apple frameworks, even if it's worse than another API An app with an Apple name misspelled - i.e - iphone, itunez is rejected, even if a legitimate mistake Apps similar to Nova Launcher, Smart Launcher are rejected etc.. Very restrictive
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Post by metalhead on Feb 10, 2016 1:15:14 GMT
To be fair to Apple. They will let every device update to the latest iOS until it technically cannot. My ipad2 still upgraded to iOS9 They don't make devise unable to upgrade for the sake of it Sorry, but you're wrong. Apple cut devices off when their obligation to support them ends. The closed source nature of iOS means the device usually dies pretty quickly. One or two get unofficial ports, but most don't.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 10, 2016 1:16:10 GMT
It's quite simple, Apple is all about control, and you can draw a straight line between them wanting the phone to look they want it to look, and the debacle over people having the nerve to use third party repair services. It still makes me laugh when Apple users defend, "The Walled Garden" of the Appstore. The Google Play Store is great because of the amount freedom publishers and developers have. Apple doesn't even allow amateur developers in the developers program. Because quoting from Apple 'We have lots of serious developers who don't want their quality Apps to be surrounded by amateur hour.' Why shouldn't a new developer get feedback from real individuals who download the app to improve it? Infact Demo's aren't allowed If it doesn't work with the Siri remote, it's rejected Pretty much all apps must use Apple frameworks, even if it's worse than another API An app with an Apple name misspelled - i.e - iphone, itunez is rejected, even if a legitimate mistake Apps similar to Nova Launcher, Smart Launcher are rejected etc.. Very restrictive There's so many niche apps on the play store that I use. Ones you simply won't get for iPhone
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 10, 2016 18:14:59 GMT
The Google Play Store is great because of the amount freedom publishers and developers have. Apple doesn't even allow amateur developers in the developers program. Because quoting from Apple 'We have lots of serious developers who don't want their quality Apps to be surrounded by amateur hour.' Why shouldn't a new developer get feedback from real individuals who download the app to improve it? Infact Demo's aren't allowed If it doesn't work with the Siri remote, it's rejected Pretty much all apps must use Apple frameworks, even if it's worse than another API An app with an Apple name misspelled - i.e - iphone, itunez is rejected, even if a legitimate mistake Apps similar to Nova Launcher, Smart Launcher are rejected etc.. Very restrictive There's so many niche apps on the play store that I use. Ones you simply won't get for iPhone It's a massive advantage of the play store. Do have to be aware of dodgy apps every now and again though, but I find a combo of CM Cleaner + Antivirus and Malwarebytes for Android, and Adblock via Root is a great combination.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 10, 2016 20:41:45 GMT
There's so many niche apps on the play store that I use. Ones you simply won't get for iPhone It's a massive advantage of the play store. Do have to be aware of dodgy apps every now and again though, but I find a combo of CM Cleaner + Antivirus and Malwarebytes for Android, and Adblock via Root is a great combination. Very few dodgy apps make it to the play store. Most of them are quickly intercepted. It's the random apks you have be careful of.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 10, 2016 23:51:47 GMT
To be fair to Apple. They will let every device update to the latest iOS until it technically cannot. My ipad2 still upgraded to iOS9 They don't make devise unable to upgrade for the sake of it Sorry, but you're wrong. Apple cut devices off when their obligation to support them ends. The closed source nature of iOS means the device usually dies pretty quickly. One or two get unofficial ports, but most don't. I don't know... My wife's Ipad2 (a behemoth of a thing) is still chugging along updating happily with each update... Including IOS 9, Although my newer IPad mini 2 feels like it's sluggish. That maybe me not clearing chaches etc as I use my IPhone for most things now (games etc). I like Apple simply for its simple user interface... I'm pretty lazy admittedly when trying to use Androids such as Nokia Windows based products (for work) that I found confusing and not very user friendly. The MacBook is a similar product for simple user ability... I used to love using windows based products but IOS is much easier! Well for me as a "walk up" user..
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