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Post by blurtonboy on Jan 7, 2016 16:06:01 GMT
I know it is a taboo subject, but does anyone get depressed?
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 7, 2016 16:15:12 GMT
Not taboo at all , there was a thread about it last year I think . I don't get it but my Dad did . Not nice at all and not easily treated
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 7, 2016 16:16:38 GMT
It's only a wank subject 'cos far too many people think that clinical depression means feeling a bit down & they need to man up. You can guarantee people will reply to this thread & say "I've suffered with depression & I just got on with it" or some shit, when what they really mean is they felt a bit down, a bit fed up for a few days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 16:16:53 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jan 7, 2016 16:30:06 GMT
I'm on anti-depressants, mainly because of work-related stress and OCD, and they've helped a lot. No shame in it whatsoever.
A lot of people who are lucky enough not to have suffered will say "You've got nothing to be depressed about, good job, money, nice house, relationship, mates etc" but if you get it you'll understand. Millionaires get depression. You may as well ask a blind person why they're blind as they eat carrots.
If you're feeling down mate, go see your doctor.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 7, 2016 16:43:27 GMT
I'm on anti-depressants, mainly because of work-related stress and OCD, and they've helped a lot. No shame in it whatsoever. A lot of people who are lucky enough not to have suffered will say "You've got nothing to be depressed about, good job, money, nice house, relationship, mates etc" but if you get it you'll understand. Millionaires get depression. You may as well ask a blind person why they're blind as they eat carrots. If you're feeling down mate, go see your doctor. I am with you on that score, I'm on anti depressants after years of "manning up". |
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Post by Northy on Jan 7, 2016 20:43:18 GMT
Saw it happen to somebody I know, they went into a very dark place the medication was wrong and sent them deeper, counselling worked in the end.
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Post by corky on Jan 7, 2016 20:48:31 GMT
My wife has suffered from depression for years. Pretty much under control at the moment thanks to drugs and a very good course on 'mindfulness'. It should be noted that untreated depression can be very damaging, not just for the sufferer but also for loved ones. For some years I didn't know what the hell was going on. The person I loved and married had become an irrational, hurtful and miserable human being. At first I thought I was to blame but no matter how hard I tried it was never enough. We came very close to breaking up but thankfully she got the help she needed and things started to improve. It's still not perfect (she is still very anxious about having visitors or going out to meet people) but at least she doesn't mind me seeing my friends or relatives anymore and she's started singing in the shower again, which is a good sign.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 20:50:23 GMT
I just look at people like the girl who lost a leg at Alton Towers, she is an inspiration, her and so many more mean I have no right to get depressed.
Live every day like it's your last is my motto.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 21:08:23 GMT
I just look at people like the girl who lost a leg at Alton Towers, she is an inspiration, her and so many more mean I have no right to get depressed. Live every day like it's your last is my motto. You make it sound like it's a life choice. It most certainly is not. It can strike at any time to absolutely anyone. Including people who live every day like it's their last. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 21:17:36 GMT
I just look at people like the girl who lost a leg at Alton Towers, she is an inspiration, her and so many more mean I have no right to get depressed. Live every day like it's your last is my motto. You make it sound like it's a life choice. It most certainly is not. It can strike at any time to absolutely anyone. Including people who live every day like it's their last. I drove my daughter to school in sunglasses in the rain to hide my tears , Doc told me I was clinically depressed, after spending 2 years sitting in front of the TV watching loose women with a stupid grin on my face, I found it within myself to tell him to stick his pills where the sun don't shine. My life is still shit , but I'm absolutely certain other peoples lives are worse. Sorry if I sound condescending , I know not everyone can get out of the black hole, but I'm convinced the only way out is when you want out yourself. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2016 21:46:40 GMT
Depression can be as destructive as any physical condition. It's not a case of making a choice not to be depressed it's a biological response to a trauma or summated traumas that causes a literal drop in serotonin levels in the body, which in turn damages cognition in the brain.
It should never be taboo, because it can happen to anyone, at anytime. The current treatments available on the NHS are nothing short of a joke, 8 weekly sessions of generic treatment. Nowhere near enough time to get enough cognitive behavioural therapy in order to make a difference.
It's a subject very close to me, both my mother, father, sister and uncle have had depression, with one of those taking an overdose and very nearly dying. Thankfully they survived and got help, but education on all mental health issues is nothing short of criminal in this country.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 7, 2016 21:59:45 GMT
I worked at St Edwards Psychiatric Hospital in the early 90's and still work with some people who are diagnosed as clinically depressed.
Some depressive states are caused by 'environmental' factors and are treatable but 'endogenous' depression is due to peoples 'internal' state and is much more difficult to treat. Sometimes people appear to have everything...but still get clinically depressed and require medication.
Historically it has always been more difficult for men to talk about being depressed because it is seen as a form of 'weakness'. Women don't have the same difficulty. They are much more open about the problem.
When I feel a bit low I do a lot more exercise running/gym/swimming etc obsessively but that doesn't work for everyone. I suppose you could say I use a negative fear to motivate me to do something positive.
One of the most famous 'depressives' (bipolar disorder) characters was Churchill..he used to suffer his 'black days' when he would just disappear and speak to no one,for days sometimes weeks.
It can happen to anybody.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 7, 2016 22:12:50 GMT
You make it sound like it's a life choice. It most certainly is not. It can strike at any time to absolutely anyone. Including people who live every day like it's their last. I drove my daughter to school in sunglasses in the rain to hide my tears , Doc told me I was clinically depressed, after spending 2 years sitting in front of the TV watching loose women with a stupid grin on my face, I found it within myself to tell him to stick his pills where the sun don't shine. My life is still shit , but I'm absolutely certain other peoples lives are worse. Sorry if I sound condescending , I know not everyone can get out of the black hole, but I'm convinced the only way out is when you want out yourself. It's not quite like that though. Clinical depression is a medical condition. It needs treatment. I'll give an example - a bit of an odd ball thing but it shows the medical side of depression clearly. A colleague of mine suffers from chronic back pain. After a number of ineffective treatments he was put on a new medicine, but after a while he decided to stop taking it (I don't recall why). Anyway, he starts to experience severe depression. For example, one day he was out with his wife in a shopping centre having lunch and he broke down in tears. No specific reason. Just unbearable depression. When he checked his medication he discovered that a side effect of going cold turkey, as he had done, was depression. Ok he was foolish in not paying attention to his medicine, but it showed (to me at leadt) how clinical depression is a physical thing. For him it was chemically induced by a tablet, but that imbalance can also (and usually does) occur naturally and it needs treatment to put right. Don't confuse it with folk feeling down in the dumps or feeling sorry for themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 22:36:37 GMT
I drove my daughter to school in sunglasses in the rain to hide my tears , Doc told me I was clinically depressed, after spending 2 years sitting in front of the TV watching loose women with a stupid grin on my face, I found it within myself to tell him to stick his pills where the sun don't shine. My life is still shit , but I'm absolutely certain other peoples lives are worse. Sorry if I sound condescending , I know not everyone can get out of the black hole, but I'm convinced the only way out is when you want out yourself. It's not quite like that though. Clinical depression is a medical condition. It needs treatment. I'll give an example - a bit of an odd ball thing but it shows the medical side of depression clearly. A colleague of mine suffers from chronic back pain. After a number of ineffective treatments he was put on a new medicine, but after a while he decided to stop taking it (I don't recall why). Anyway, he starts to experience severe depression. For example, one day he was out with his wife in a shopping centre having lunch and he broke down in tears. No specific reason. Just unbearable depression. When he checked his medication he discovered that a side effect of going cold turkey, as he had done, was depression. Ok he was foolish in not paying attention to his medicine, but it showed (to me at leadt) how clinical depression is a physical thing. For him it was chemically induced by a tablet, but that imbalance can also (and usually does) occur naturally and it needs treatment to put right. Don't confuse it with folk feeling down in the dumps or feeling sorry for themselves. So you the "Expert" are trying to suggest I just felt sorry for myself are you? You know "Nothing" about what I have gone through and how hard it has and still is but yet "You know better" Well OK perhaps this is not the right site for me to post on in the future , as clearly I know nothing. I bow to your knowledge and will "shut up" from now on. |
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Post by santy on Jan 7, 2016 22:49:44 GMT
See this is the point. Some people can cope with it, without needing treatment. You can say its just someone feeling down for themselves all the way along the depression spectrum. People recover from gambling addictions on their own, people recover from drug dependencies on their own. There's a lot of factors at play and your own mental fortitude (essentially strength, but someone will completely misinterpret that and bang on about how depression isn't a weakness when that isn't the jist of what I'm saying) is absolutely vital when it comes to depression.
As you pointed out yourself, a chemical imbalance leading to depression for your friend - the foods we eat are broken down into chemicals, factors in our environments all the same as we're basically walking chains of chemical reactions there are a lot of factors away from the doctors room and pills that affect what is going into your body.
Most people will be exposed to situations which could quite easily lead to depression if handled the wrong way, whether its subconscious or they play an active part in it themselves, or they don't get the right help they need at the right time from the right source.
If there was a post about how Riv had spent the last 2 years watching Loose Women and topped himself you'd be saying he was depressed, but because he's posted on the oatcake that he was able to find a way past it himself you've essentially categorised him as "down in the dumps".
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2016 22:50:33 GMT
It's not quite like that though. Clinical depression is a medical condition. It needs treatment. I'll give an example - a bit of an odd ball thing but it shows the medical side of depression clearly. A colleague of mine suffers from chronic back pain. After a number of ineffective treatments he was put on a new medicine, but after a while he decided to stop taking it (I don't recall why). Anyway, he starts to experience severe depression. For example, one day he was out with his wife in a shopping centre having lunch and he broke down in tears. No specific reason. Just unbearable depression. When he checked his medication he discovered that a side effect of going cold turkey, as he had done, was depression. Ok he was foolish in not paying attention to his medicine, but it showed (to me at leadt) how clinical depression is a physical thing. For him it was chemically induced by a tablet, but that imbalance can also (and usually does) occur naturally and it needs treatment to put right. Don't confuse it with folk feeling down in the dumps or feeling sorry for themselves. So you the "Expert" are trying to suggest I just felt sorry for myself are you? You know "Nothing" about what I have gone through and how hard it has and still is but yet "You know better" Well OK perhaps this is not the right site for me to post on in the future , as clearly I know nothing. I bow to your knowledge and will "shut up" from now on. Come on now mate, Partick's not that type at all, he's just saying it's experienced in different ways and like any disease there's different levels. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 7, 2016 22:52:49 GMT
So you the "Expert" are trying to suggest I just felt sorry for myself are you? You know "Nothing" about what I have gone through and how hard it has and still is but yet "You know better" Well OK perhaps this is not the right site for me to post on in the future , as clearly I know nothing. I bow to your knowledge and will "shut up" from now on. Come on now mate, Partick's not that type at all, he's just saying it's experienced in different ways and like any disease there's different levels. He's gone! |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 7, 2016 23:07:54 GMT
Come on now mate, Partick's not that type at all, he's just saying it's experienced in different ways and like any disease there's different levels. He's gone! You should take a look in that mirror again, you need to seriously give yourself a severely massive slap this time, what a nasty little man you are now go away and consider your sad existence. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 7, 2016 23:08:41 GMT
Just to put things in perspective.. Almost as many British Soldiers returning from Afghan have committed suicide as have been killed in operations.
That is a fact the British Army Top Brass don't like to talk about.
But at last men are starting to open up and talk about a subject that has hitherto been taboo.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2016 23:12:25 GMT
Just to put things in perspective.. Almost as many British Soldiers returning from Afghan have committed suicide as have been killed in operations. That is a fact the British Army Top Brass don't like to talk about. But at last men are starting to open up and talk about a subject that has hitherto been taboo. Jesus Christ, that is a frightening statistic. Working in the medical profession, you see a lot of areas that need improving, but the fact is as life gets more and more pressurised in the years to come and with how we are beginning to live our lives it's only a matter of time before we're facing full blown mental health epidemics. Some really bad numbers regarding the amount of teenagers feeling anxiety at such early ages.  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 7, 2016 23:23:10 GMT
A lot of young men doing tours in Afghan witnessing mates losing limbs etc post traumatic stress disorder kicks in, no medical help/counseling on returning to the UK drives some of these lads over the edge..
Thankfully things are starting to change..the armed forces are starting to accept that people are affected psychologically & emotionally by their experiences during operations and are offering help to rehabilitate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 0:56:00 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 1:11:18 GMT
Come on now mate, Partick's not that type at all, he's just saying it's experienced in different ways and like any disease there's different levels. He's gone! Hope he's ok...Maybe someone should pop round to check on him... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 1:17:13 GMT
Just to put things in perspective.. Almost as many British Soldiers returning from Afghan have committed suicide as have been killed in operations. That is a fact the British Army Top Brass don't like to talk about. But at last men are starting to open up and talk about a subject that has hitherto been taboo. Quite a few of us on here knew the lad from Bentilee that was on HMS Sheffield when it was sunk in The Falklands War. I won't mention his name, as it's not fair, but he could never handle his experience, and had some sort of guilt trip, the fact that he survived, and many of his mates didn't , and sadly he took his own life and for all concerned it was quite a shock. I get depressed sometimes, only mild thank god, and as others have stated there is no one size fits all solution, luckily for me it is only very mild, and I can cope with it by trying to be positive, but others are not so fortunate, and the spiral of severe depression gets worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 2:48:49 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past. My GP told me to do something similar. Take time to walk in the fresh air and breathe in life, to be more exact. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 8, 2016 4:03:36 GMT
Hope he's ok...Maybe someone should pop round to check on him... I was thinking the same - noting his (over)reaction and the subject of the thread. But maybe that's just an overreaction on my part? He ain't the first person to take umbrage on this board and quit. There's was a rash of them a while ago. I don't know. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 8, 2016 4:07:20 GMT
You should take a look in that mirror again, you need to seriously give yourself a severely massive slap this time, what a nasty little man you are now go away and consider your sad existence. I wish you'd go. Give me peace and do your trolling elsewhere. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 8, 2016 7:32:22 GMT
See this is the point. Some people can cope with it, without needing treatment. You can say its just someone feeling down for themselves all the way along the depression spectrum. People recover from gambling addictions on their own, people recover from drug dependencies on their own. There's a lot of factors at play and your own mental fortitude (essentially strength, but someone will completely misinterpret that and bang on about how depression isn't a weakness when that isn't the jist of what I'm saying) is absolutely vital when it comes to depression. As you pointed out yourself, a chemical imbalance leading to depression for your friend - the foods we eat are broken down into chemicals, factors in our environments all the same as we're basically walking chains of chemical reactions there are a lot of factors away from the doctors room and pills that affect what is going into your body. Most people will be exposed to situations which could quite easily lead to depression if handled the wrong way, whether its subconscious or they play an active part in it themselves, or they don't get the right help they need at the right time from the right source. If there was a post about how Riv had spent the last 2 years watching Loose Women and topped himself you'd be saying he was depressed, but because he's posted on the oatcake that he was able to find a way past it himself you've essentially categorised him as "down in the dumps". What brain dead fuck wit categorised the lad as down in the dumps ?, he obviously felt comfortable opening up with his feelings on here then some heartless/brainless arse hole shoots him down in flames, whoever you are disgraceful. |
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Post by thevoid on Jan 8, 2016 10:20:19 GMT
I don't really want to go into own experiences but if anyone here is suffering ........ exercise! I don't know if it is medically advised but it's certainly helped me in the past. You can't beat a good gym session, especially after work. I've put weight on lately which gets me down, so I've signed up again. |
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