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Post by generationex on Jan 6, 2016 21:55:05 GMT
Crouch flick on before hand. We should played crouch earlier.
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Post by whydelilah on Jan 6, 2016 22:38:13 GMT
It was piss poor.
You can't blame the angle or his weak foot as they were both of his own making.
He lacked any conviction when the ball broke beautifully for him. He never looked like a man confident of scoring.
He took the ball wide and narrowed the angle. He had the time to shift it onto his right too.
Even so, given all that, it was still a piss poor effort with his left foot.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 6, 2016 22:43:19 GMT
FFS are we really doing this??
Not one player did themselves justice yesterday.....but it makes people feel better to highlight Walters deficiencies???
Scapegoating anybody?
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 6, 2016 23:00:48 GMT
FFS are we really doing this?? Not one player did themselves justice yesterday.....but it makes people feel better to highlight Walters deficiencies??? Scapegoating anybody? Not at all, just highlighting a miss by a striker.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 6, 2016 23:17:14 GMT
If he'd scored against Mignolet from that angle it would have been a fantastic goal. But Walters doesn't do 'fantastic goals'. He just scores some good goals at times. And that is in no way knocking the lad. The last player I would level criticism for last night's display is Walters. He came on... did a typical Walters performance, but we needed more than that last night.
OS.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 6, 2016 23:39:05 GMT
FFS are we really doing this?? Not one player did themselves justice yesterday.....but it makes people feel better to highlight Walters deficiencies??? Scapegoating anybody? I'm not sure that is really happening. It is more a figment of your imagination as you seek to once again defend the indefensible. Walters did OK when he came on. No more no less. If you judge him, for example v Bojan, then his performance was exceptional. If you judge him on Jon Walters standards then it was a typical Jon Walters performance. If you judge him by the standards we've come to expect from our team, then he was energetic yet pretty poor. He wasn't the reason we lost last night and he can't be made the scapegoat for a crappy performance but his effort at the end was pathetic, embarrassing and everything else it's been described as. Not for one second did he even remotely look like he would score. Hell, he never really looked like he'd trouble the keeper and surprise surprise he didn't. I'm pretty sure most people, even his harshest critics are commenting on a woeful attempt at a last minute equaliser rather than looking to blame him for the overall performance. You also say "not one player did themselves justice yesterday" but that is simply not true is it? Affelay did himself justice. Ryan did himself justice. Wolschied did himself justice. It is, sadly, a pretty standard defence of anything Walters does wrong. Walters has a bad game and the defence comes forward that "he wasn't the worst on the pitch" or "the others were shit as well". Walters misses a sitter and the defence comes forward "it was no worse than player X's miss" (in this case Bojan, Arnie and Ryan). He's measured by how crap the others are and it is somehow acceptable that he's less crap that someone else. If we hadn't handed out stupid contracts to the likes of Crouch and Walters, perhaps we could afford to get close to a deal that Arnie would be happy to sign!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 7, 2016 4:43:12 GMT
Being on his left foot excuses nothing because he is a footballer.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 7, 2016 4:56:41 GMT
He doesn't need any excuses - his record tells any reasonable person that he has been and is a bloody good player for SCFC (and his country). Everybody misses the occasional chance. End of story really other than for those who leap on even a minor opportunity to have a pop at him.
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Post by tuum on Jan 7, 2016 5:20:57 GMT
Seems to me that we have a bigger problem with the absolute wankers off the pitch sitting in the stands ( or more likely sitting at home watching their stream ) than with the players on the pitch. Why is the oatcake virtually populated with absolute fucktards who flip between "we are going to win the league" and "we are fucked". That's the way it has always been and long may it continue! This MB just gives us all an opportunity to make idiots of ourselves in front of a wider audience rather than the half dozen blokes in the pub or at the match who are unfortunate enough to be within earshot of our emotional rants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 5:28:09 GMT
Seems to me that we have a bigger problem with the absolute wankers off the pitch sitting in the stands ( or more likely sitting at home watching their stream ) than with the players on the pitch. Why is the oatcake virtually populated with absolute fucktards who flip between "we are going to win the league" and "we are fucked". That's the way it has always been and long may it continue! This MB just gives us all an opportunity to make idiots of ourselves in front of a wider audience rather than the half dozen blokes in the pub or at the match who are unfortunate enough to be within earshot of our emotional rants. Happy new yr mate, will be in Bkk this weekend,if you fancy a beer, and congratulations on yr 3000th post...And what a good post...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 7, 2016 8:48:43 GMT
A bit harsh. Oh, there's an apostrophe.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 7, 2016 9:34:10 GMT
He should have hit it earlier when he had more goal to aim at. He actually hit it with such a lack of conviction Mignolet could have been in the Harvester eating a mixed grill and his clean sheet would have remained intact. Agreed, it looked like he let it run hoping to get it onto his right foot to me, then by the time he realised he'd have to take it on his left the angle was significantly tighter. If he'd just taken it on his left earlier then there was a lot more goal to aim. Still, he wasn't the only one who missed a decent chance.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 7, 2016 10:25:52 GMT
Three pages on one shot. Less has been written about the grassy knoll mystery.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 7, 2016 10:31:47 GMT
FFS are we really doing this?? Not one player did themselves justice yesterday.....but it makes people feel better to highlight Walters deficiencies??? Scapegoating anybody? I'm not sure that is really happening. It is more a figment of your imagination as you seek to once again defend the indefensible. Walters did OK when he came on. No more no less. If you judge him, for example v Bojan, then his performance was exceptional. If you judge him on Jon Walters standards then it was a typical Jon Walters performance. If you judge him by the standards we've come to expect from our team, then he was energetic yet pretty poor. He wasn't the reason we lost last night and he can't be made the scapegoat for a crappy performance but his effort at the end was pathetic, embarrassing and everything else it's been described as. Not for one second did he even remotely look like he would score. Hell, he never really looked like he'd trouble the keeper and surprise surprise he didn't. I'm pretty sure most people, even his harshest critics are commenting on a woeful attempt at a last minute equaliser rather than looking to blame him for the overall performance. You also say "not one player did themselves justice yesterday" but that is simply not true is it? Affelay did himself justice. Ryan did himself justice. Wolschied did himself justice. It is, sadly, a pretty standard defence of anything Walters does wrong. Walters has a bad game and the defence comes forward that "he wasn't the worst on the pitch" or "the others were shit as well". Walters misses a sitter and the defence comes forward "it was no worse than player X's miss" (in this case Bojan, Arnie and Ryan). He's measured by how crap the others are and it is somehow acceptable that he's less crap that someone else. If we hadn't handed out stupid contracts to the likes of Crouch and Walters, perhaps we could afford to get close to a deal that Arnie would be happy to sign! Dave, I agree with a lot of what you have to say on this message board and I also don't see Jon Walters as an integral part of our side, but he's an important part of the club and has been a great servant. Yes, we should have moved on from the option that Jon offers but sometimes needs must. However, I feel you are particularly vitriolic when it comes to Jon Walters and can't seem to shake off the disdain you've felt for him for a while. It's just my observation and, of course, my personal opinion. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this matter and I'll look forward to our future healthy debates!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2016 11:53:46 GMT
I'm not sure that is really happening. It is more a figment of your imagination as you seek to once again defend the indefensible. Walters did OK when he came on. No more no less. If you judge him, for example v Bojan, then his performance was exceptional. If you judge him on Jon Walters standards then it was a typical Jon Walters performance. If you judge him by the standards we've come to expect from our team, then he was energetic yet pretty poor. He wasn't the reason we lost last night and he can't be made the scapegoat for a crappy performance but his effort at the end was pathetic, embarrassing and everything else it's been described as. Not for one second did he even remotely look like he would score. Hell, he never really looked like he'd trouble the keeper and surprise surprise he didn't. I'm pretty sure most people, even his harshest critics are commenting on a woeful attempt at a last minute equaliser rather than looking to blame him for the overall performance. You also say "not one player did themselves justice yesterday" but that is simply not true is it? Affelay did himself justice. Ryan did himself justice. Wolschied did himself justice. It is, sadly, a pretty standard defence of anything Walters does wrong. Walters has a bad game and the defence comes forward that "he wasn't the worst on the pitch" or "the others were shit as well". Walters misses a sitter and the defence comes forward "it was no worse than player X's miss" (in this case Bojan, Arnie and Ryan). He's measured by how crap the others are and it is somehow acceptable that he's less crap that someone else. If we hadn't handed out stupid contracts to the likes of Crouch and Walters, perhaps we could afford to get close to a deal that Arnie would be happy to sign! Dave, I agree with a lot of what you have to say on this message board and I also don't see Jon Walters as an integral part of our side, but he's an important part of the club and has been a great servant. Yes, we should have moved on from the option that Jon offers but sometimes needs must. However, I feel you are particularly vitriolic when it comes to Jon Walters and can't seem to shake off the disdain you've felt for him for a while. It's just my observation and, of course, my personal opinion. I guess we'll agree to disagree on this matter and I'll look forward to our future healthy debates! Absolutely he is an integral part of the club and I don't have any disdain for him. He's a trier, a willing work horse, clearly a beneficial influence around the club and has served us well. Whether he is integral to our team now is for Mark Hughes to decide. As an option from the bench I have no problem with Walters at all. I don't think he played badly at all in midweek (I don't think he played well either) and he was by no means a cause of our defeat. We were better with him on the pitch than we were without him. That miss at the end though was pathetic. It was a shocking attempt at goal from a bloke who wants to make his living as a striker. Not for one minute did he look like scoring and it is more than fair to comment on that, which is what I've done. Note, I did not start this thread and am merely adding comment to express my views of the chance. Had there been one on Bojan's miss kick or Ryan's pathetic attempt at a header, I would have commented with the same so-called level of vitriol that you accuse me of here. I was far more pissed off with Ryan's header than I was with Jon Walters miss. It wasn't an easy chance but to not hit the target in that situation was inexcusable really. Ryan's was even worse. If I was Hughes, I wouldn't even send Ryan forward for free kicks and corners. He's fucking hopeless and is more hindrance than help. That has been the case for some time. It's Ryan though, everyone knows he's my favourite player so if I criticise him for a poor attempt at goal, nothing is said and the old agenda bollocks doesn't rear its head. If Walters plays well, I'll be the first to congratulate him. If he scores a great goal or even a goal, I'll cheer as much and as loudly as anyone. I sang "Super Johnny WAlters" when he scored two own goals, kicked the ball in his own face and missed a penalty against Chelsea and then commented on here, how wank he is. I simply say things as I see them and that miss in midweek was pathetic and it was embarrassing, but not for one second did I expect anything more from him. I didn't even get out of my seat. Much like when we get a corner these days actually.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jan 7, 2016 12:05:07 GMT
I still wouldn't bet against the howling mad Evertonian bagging a winner at Anfield.
Romance of the (League) cup and all that.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 7, 2016 12:07:17 GMT
I still wouldn't bet against the howling mad Evertonian bagging a winner at Anfield. Romance of the (League) cup and all that. Either that or Shawcross scores with a header from a set piece
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 7, 2016 12:22:23 GMT
FFS are we really doing this?? Not one player did themselves justice yesterday.....but it makes people feel better to highlight Walters deficiencies??? Scapegoating anybody? I'm not sure that is really happening. It is more a figment of your imagination as you seek to once again defend the indefensible. Walters did OK when he came on. No more no less. If you judge him, for example v Bojan, then his performance was exceptional. If you judge him on Jon Walters standards then it was a typical Jon Walters performance. If you judge him by the standards we've come to expect from our team, then he was energetic yet pretty poor. He wasn't the reason we lost last night and he can't be made the scapegoat for a crappy performance but his effort at the end was pathetic, embarrassing and everything else it's been described as. Not for one second did he even remotely look like he would score. Hell, he never really looked like he'd trouble the keeper and surprise surprise he didn't. I'm pretty sure most people, even his harshest critics are commenting on a woeful attempt at a last minute equaliser rather than looking to blame him for the overall performance. You also say "not one player did themselves justice yesterday" but that is simply not true is it? Affelay did himself justice. Ryan did himself justice. Wolschied did himself justice. It is, sadly, a pretty standard defence of anything Walters does wrong. Walters has a bad game and the defence comes forward that "he wasn't the worst on the pitch" or "the others were shit as well". Walters misses a sitter and the defence comes forward "it was no worse than player X's miss" (in this case Bojan, Arnie and Ryan). He's measured by how crap the others are and it is somehow acceptable that he's less crap that someone else. If we hadn't handed out stupid contracts to the likes of Crouch and Walters, perhaps we could afford to get close to a deal that Arnie would be happy to sign! I thought every player was sub standard for at least part of the game. The way we started the game was bordering on the horrify. Every player looked like a rabbit in headlights. We slowly grew into it and some players emerged with some credit. If we're going to single out missed chances then Bojans was at least as bad as Walters. But obviously we don't do negative threads on some players do we?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:47:48 GMT
It was piss poor. You can't blame the angle or his weak foot as they were both of his own making. He lacked any conviction when the ball broke beautifully for him. He never looked like a man confident of scoring. He took the ball wide and narrowed the angle. He had the time to shift it onto his right too. Even so, given all that, it was still a piss poor effort with his left foot. Re: shifting it on to his right - it seemed like an obvious thing to do. I recall him doing exactly that vs. Chelsea a few years back, he bore down on goal on his left side, pulled it back and scored with his right. The whole approach and ultimately the finish just smacked of someone who never thought he'd score there in million years. And it would have been undeserved, and I love undeserved wins/draws ☺
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Post by metalhead on Jan 7, 2016 14:52:27 GMT
I still wouldn't bet against the howling mad Evertonian bagging a winner at Anfield. Romance of the (League) cup and all that. Would be a wonderful moment.
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Post by buddha74 on Jan 7, 2016 14:53:48 GMT
If he'd scored against Mignolet from that angle it would have been a fantastic goal. But Walters doesn't do 'fantastic goals'. He just scores some good goals at times. And that is in no way knocking the lad. The last player I would level criticism for last night's display is Walters. He came on... did a typical Walters performance, but we needed more than that last night. OS. I do agree with you mostly, but the goal he scored against Chelsea in the cup was fantastic by anyone's standards, just saying. :-)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2016 15:34:56 GMT
Tight angle on his wrong and it was Walters. I didn't flinch! He played quite well when he came on though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2016 15:38:12 GMT
I'm not sure that is really happening. It is more a figment of your imagination as you seek to once again defend the indefensible. Walters did OK when he came on. No more no less. If you judge him, for example v Bojan, then his performance was exceptional. If you judge him on Jon Walters standards then it was a typical Jon Walters performance. If you judge him by the standards we've come to expect from our team, then he was energetic yet pretty poor. He wasn't the reason we lost last night and he can't be made the scapegoat for a crappy performance but his effort at the end was pathetic, embarrassing and everything else it's been described as. Not for one second did he even remotely look like he would score. Hell, he never really looked like he'd trouble the keeper and surprise surprise he didn't. I'm pretty sure most people, even his harshest critics are commenting on a woeful attempt at a last minute equaliser rather than looking to blame him for the overall performance. You also say "not one player did themselves justice yesterday" but that is simply not true is it? Affelay did himself justice. Ryan did himself justice. Wolschied did himself justice. It is, sadly, a pretty standard defence of anything Walters does wrong. Walters has a bad game and the defence comes forward that "he wasn't the worst on the pitch" or "the others were shit as well". Walters misses a sitter and the defence comes forward "it was no worse than player X's miss" (in this case Bojan, Arnie and Ryan). He's measured by how crap the others are and it is somehow acceptable that he's less crap that someone else. If we hadn't handed out stupid contracts to the likes of Crouch and Walters, perhaps we could afford to get close to a deal that Arnie would be happy to sign! I thought every player was sub standard for at least part of the game. The way we started the game was bordering on the horrify. Every player looked like a rabbit in headlights. We slowly grew into it and some players emerged with some credit. If we're going to single out missed chances then Bojans was at least as bad as Walters. But obviously we don't do negative threads on some players do we? I've acknowledged in 3 separate posts that Bojan's was equally as bad, if not worse than Walter's miss. I've also commented on Ryan's header being even worse than both. I didn't start the thread so I'm commenting on a specific and also acknowledging other embarrassing, pathetic attempts. You're blinkered into immediately springing to the defence of Walters though, so read only what you want to read!
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Post by metalhead on Jan 7, 2016 17:17:31 GMT
I thought every player was sub standard for at least part of the game. The way we started the game was bordering on the horrify. Every player looked like a rabbit in headlights. We slowly grew into it and some players emerged with some credit. If we're going to single out missed chances then Bojans was at least as bad as Walters. But obviously we don't do negative threads on some players do we? I've acknowledged in 3 separate posts that Bojan's was equally as bad, if not worse than Walter's miss. I've also commented on Ryan's header being even worse than both. I didn't start the thread so I'm commenting on a specific and also acknowledging other embarrassing, pathetic attempts. You're blinkered into immediately springing to the defence of Walters though, so read only what you want to read! I don't think anyone came out with any credit. Bojan's mis-hit was dreadful, but again, more evidence in my opinion that he's fucking knackered. Bojan has wonderful technique, how often does he get those wrong? Is it any coincidence that his fuck up came after a pro-longed period of playing time. He needs a rest in my opinion. He's still playing on adrenaline imo. If I was Hughes, I'd drop him against Norwich next week. Give him time to get fresh again, then start him a week after.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2016 18:58:48 GMT
I've acknowledged in 3 separate posts that Bojan's was equally as bad, if not worse than Walter's miss. I've also commented on Ryan's header being even worse than both. I didn't start the thread so I'm commenting on a specific and also acknowledging other embarrassing, pathetic attempts. You're blinkered into immediately springing to the defence of Walters though, so read only what you want to read! I don't think anyone came out with any credit. Bojan's mis-hit was dreadful, but again, more evidence in my opinion that he's fucking knackered. Bojan has wonderful technique, how often does he get those wrong? Is it any coincidence that his fuck up came after a pro-longed period of playing time. He needs a rest in my opinion. He's still playing on adrenaline imo. If I was Hughes, I'd drop him against Norwich next week. Give him time to get fresh again, then start him a week after. Maybe tiredness is a valid excuse but I don't buy it. It may be blasphemy to say it but bojan is nowhere near his pre injury levels. He's been good in glimpses and flashes but in truth he's been a very mixed bag since his return. That is understandable and unlike some I wouldn't drop him. He's so good and so important that for me he plays every game for as ling as he can manage. If he wants a rest then give him one. If he doesn't, play him. He will be back to his best quicker by playing games than he would be sitting on his arse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 19:03:11 GMT
Surprised one shot got to three pages. Especially as it went wide
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Post by thehoof on Jan 7, 2016 19:49:59 GMT
Tell you what he's a lucky blighter that Jon Walters - scored more goals than anyone else for us despite being such a low quality striker ! .....and bugger me if he doesn't go and get lucky for Ireland too!! (he missed a chance for goodness sake - he was so far down the list of crap performances last night it's barely worth a mention let alone a thread) While the sentiment is true Wuzza, he hardly qualifies as prolific. I never thought he'd score, it's either a worldy or a tap in- not often that he converts a "medium" difficulty chance. He should have at least forced a save, but for all that, he caused the Liverpool back line more trouble than Bojan, Shaq, Arnie & Affelay put together.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 7, 2016 20:19:14 GMT
I don't think anyone came out with any credit. Bojan's mis-hit was dreadful, but again, more evidence in my opinion that he's fucking knackered. Bojan has wonderful technique, how often does he get those wrong? Is it any coincidence that his fuck up came after a pro-longed period of playing time. He needs a rest in my opinion. He's still playing on adrenaline imo. If I was Hughes, I'd drop him against Norwich next week. Give him time to get fresh again, then start him a week after. Maybe tiredness is a valid excuse but I don't buy it. It may be blasphemy to say it but bojan is nowhere near his pre injury levels. He's been good in glimpses and flashes but in truth he's been a very mixed bag since his return. That is understandable and unlike some I wouldn't drop him. He's so good and so important that for me he plays every game for as ling as he can manage. If he wants a rest then give him one. If he doesn't, play him. He will be back to his best quicker by playing games than he would be sitting on his arse. It's not blasphemy. I said upon his return, I expect he'll not find his best form for anywhere from 12 - 18 months. Footballers return from injuries far sooner than other professional athletes. A cruciate for a runner is usually 12 months minimum. Bojan returned less than 6 months after. With that in mind, it would be fair to assume he's still feeling it, even if it's not painful. I've several times quoted Wes Brown who said he could still feel it nearly 2 years after his return. There is permanent damage and scar tissue that players can no doubt feel. 20 years ago, he would still be recovering so we should be thankful that he's playing at all.
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Post by philb on Jan 7, 2016 21:14:18 GMT
If we're slating players for there ability or lack of then one of the most embarrassing moments on Tuesday night was Shaqiri's corner that hit the side netting. That is embarrassing school boy stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 22:17:14 GMT
Absolute tosh. Pinpointing Walter's miss at the very end after coming on and making a difference when we had 3 other instances throughout the game where three "other" individual players should have done a lot better with their chances.
Come on, give the man a break.
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