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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 6, 2016 9:26:14 GMT
People on here are just super reactionary it's as simple as that, it's a great feeling when we're winning but when we aren't the mood is pretty unbearable! People on here that react embarrassingly don't go to games in my experience. The ones that booed last night shouldn't go to games in my opinion. Fans? I've shit em.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 6, 2016 9:28:08 GMT
I'm only just home so haven't read the board yet. I'm desperately disappointed though I have to say and if you want people to discuss the game then inevitably discussion will be on how poor so many of our players were. Bojan was abysmal and didn't do a thing right. Cameron and Whelan the same. I've never seen pieters play so badly. Butland looked really shaky and his distribution was terrible and shaqiri, I don't even know where to start. Backwards, sideways, anywhere except forward. Only shawcross, Johnson, wooly and affelay emerge with any real credit and perhaps Arnie who at least tried to make things happen. The subs weren't much better and the attempt of Walters at the end was embarrassing. It was desperately disappointing and unbelievably, I actually think we froze. The players, who've been lauded in all quarters froze under the weight of expectation they perhaps have for themselves. The only real positive is Hughes reaction afterwards. The game isn't gone and he will convince the players that we are very much in this tie. It is though, and will be for a few days, a performance that stings and is desperately disappointing. Good summary - I am sure that the players will be on a mission, so to speak, to redeem themselves - regardless of the outcome. But, you know, football is a funny old game - not won at Anfield for how many decades? Funny old game, you never know ....
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 6, 2016 9:46:23 GMT
No, I think many people just expected them to TRY to turn them over. By all means try, and fail. No shame in that. Last night they didn't even try. That is what is pissing a lot of people off. Our greatest opportunity in years, and the players couldn't be arsed. Yes people bloody well will be angry and they have a right to be. This is the kind of thing that pisses people off. They didn't TRY? Give over. Agreed. Have you seen this this fella's bollocks about them "throwing the game" that he posted last night? Embarrassing stuff. You can't win every game, and Liverpool were better than us last night. That's what happens in sport. I'm disappointed, of course, but we're only 1-0 down at half time and worse teams than us have won at Anfield this season.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 6, 2016 9:49:28 GMT
I'm only just home so haven't read the board yet. I'm desperately disappointed though I have to say and if you want people to discuss the game then inevitably discussion will be on how poor so many of our players were. Bojan was abysmal and didn't do a thing right. Cameron and Whelan the same. I've never seen pieters play so badly. Butland looked really shaky and his distribution was terrible and shaqiri, I don't even know where to start. Backwards, sideways, anywhere except forward. Only shawcross, Johnson, wooly and affelay emerge with any real credit and perhaps Arnie who at least tried to make things happen. The subs weren't much better and the attempt of Walters at the end was embarrassing. It was desperately disappointing and unbelievably, I actually think we froze. The players, who've been lauded in all quarters froze under the weight of expectation they perhaps have for themselves. The only real positive is Hughes reaction afterwards. The game isn't gone and he will convince the players that we are very much in this tie. It is though, and will be for a few days, a performance that stings and is desperately disappointing. You can't say the word "froze" on here apparently, mate. It is officially "sticking the boot in" I'm told.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 6, 2016 9:58:06 GMT
I'm only just home so haven't read the board yet. I'm desperately disappointed though I have to say and if you want people to discuss the game then inevitably discussion will be on how poor so many of our players were. Bojan was abysmal and didn't do a thing right. Cameron and Whelan the same. I've never seen pieters play so badly. Butland looked really shaky and his distribution was terrible and shaqiri, I don't even know where to start. Backwards, sideways, anywhere except forward. Only shawcross, Johnson, wooly and affelay emerge with any real credit and perhaps Arnie who at least tried to make things happen. The subs weren't much better and the attempt of Walters at the end was embarrassing. It was desperately disappointing and unbelievably, I actually think we froze. The players, who've been lauded in all quarters froze under the weight of expectation they perhaps have for themselves. The only real positive is Hughes reaction afterwards. The game isn't gone and he will convince the players that we are very much in this tie. It is though, and will be for a few days, a performance that stings and is desperately disappointing. You can't say the word "froze" on here apparently, mate. It is officially "sticking the boot in" I'm told. Like you say, it's about having an opinion. It appears when someone questions yours you can't handle it. I said at the time, my opinion was you were talking crap about freezing, hiding and the oppo wanting it more. In my opinion that is questioning the players attitude and commitment which to me is sticking the boot in. You're one step away from prattling on about DNA. You obviously see it differently which is fair enough. I think we can all agree we played very poorly and we let an average Liverpool side dominate us from the off. It was extremely disappointing but we're not out of it which is the only positive.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2016 10:13:55 GMT
Good grief. This is no different that if we had drawn 0-0 and gone one down in the first five minutes of the second leg. Does that mean everyone should just give up and go home? Get a grip everyone!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 6, 2016 10:15:48 GMT
but we're not out of it which is the only positive. In a way I think us losing the first leg could actually benefit us. We get to go to Anfield with no pressure on us whatsoever, we can play with freedom as no-one now expects us to get to the final. Liverpool fans on the otherhand will already be booking the train down to Wembley, so if we can hit them hard early doors in the second leg their party atmosphere suddenly turns to panic stations, and that'll pass down to their players. The easy cruise into the final becomes a 'hanging on for dear life', and if we get one you fancy we'll get two. On the flip side of that if we'd gone to Anfield being 1-0 up we'd have that 'must not lose' mentality, we'd be too scared to attack 'cos of leaving gaps in behind, everyone would be terrified of making a mistake, it'd just be wave after wave of Liverpool attacks & us hoofing it clear to no-one/anywhere. I really do think that in a bizarre way us going there 1-0 down is the best scenario.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 6, 2016 10:21:12 GMT
You can't say the word "froze" on here apparently, mate. It is officially "sticking the boot in" I'm told. Like you say, it's about having an opinion. It appears when someone questions yours you can't handle it. I said at the time, my opinion was you were talking crap about freezing, hiding and the oppo wanting it more. In my opinion that is questioning the players attitude and commitment which to me is sticking the boot in. You're one step away from prattling on about DNA. You obviously see it differently which is fair enough. I think we can all agree we played very poorly and we let an average Liverpool side dominate us from the off. It was extremely disappointing but we're not out of it which is the only positive. I think it was a mixture of some just playing poorly, some players hiding a bit (who knows where Shaq thought he was playing but it wasn't on the right) and Liverpool winning all the 50/50 challenges. Maybe the terminology of "wanting it more" isn't to your taste but when one team wins all the battles out there and are first to the ball on most occasions that is how I'd describe it, rightly or wrongly. Liverpool pressed the ball very well indeed but for whatever reason last night we didn't show for the ball as we normally do and when we did have it were slow in our ball circulation. I tried to express my thoughts on the game which you said were "crap" which is your opinion (if not a very detailed one). As for the DNA thing, I've always maintained what a load of balls that is so you're definitely barking up the wrong tree on that one. It's not the end of the world and we can still get through but it was definitely a missed opportunity last night. I shall be at Anfield still hoping we can turn the tide and get through, which will be a brilliant achievement.
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Post by liamo on Jan 6, 2016 10:24:05 GMT
At what point did we start expecting to beat Liverpool? Yes we've had some good games recently but we can't win them all, our expectations are taking off far quicker than the team is and that will just lead to disappointment and pissy knickers
They weren't exactly Barca either, they pressed and closed us down and Klopp sacrificed several hamstrings in the process and we still had the better chances in the second half, we get a goal at Anfield and it's all even in every aspect, we score 2 at Anfield and they have to score 2 to not lose, as far as i'm concerned it's game on
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 6, 2016 10:25:28 GMT
Like you say, it's about having an opinion. It appears when someone questions yours you can't handle it. I said at the time, my opinion was you were talking crap about freezing, hiding and the oppo wanting it more. In my opinion that is questioning the players attitude and commitment which to me is sticking the boot in. You're one step away from prattling on about DNA. You obviously see it differently which is fair enough. I think we can all agree we played very poorly and we let an average Liverpool side dominate us from the off. It was extremely disappointing but we're not out of it which is the only positive. I think it was a mixture of some just playing poorly, some players hiding a bit (who knows where Shaq thought he was playing but it wasn't on the right) and Liverpool winning all the 50/50 challenges. Maybe the terminology of "wanting it more" isn't to your taste but when one team wins all the battles out there and are first to the ball on most occasions that is how I'd describe it, rightly or wrongly. Liverpool pressed the ball very well indeed but for whatever reason last night we didn't show for the ball as we normally do and when we did have it were slow in our ball circulation. I tried to express my thoughts on the game which you said were "crap" which is your opinion (if not a very detailed one). As for the DNA thing, I've always maintained what a load of balls that is so you're definitely barking up the wrong tree on that one. It's not the end of the world and we can still get through but it was definitely a missed opportunity last night. I shall be at Anfield still hoping we can turn the tide and get through, which will be a brilliant achievement. I to will be at Anfield to witness a famous victory. Nobody gave us a chance at Cardiff did they?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 6, 2016 10:27:09 GMT
I think it was a mixture of some just playing poorly, some players hiding a bit (who knows where Shaq thought he was playing but it wasn't on the right) and Liverpool winning all the 50/50 challenges. Maybe the terminology of "wanting it more" isn't to your taste but when one team wins all the battles out there and are first to the ball on most occasions that is how I'd describe it, rightly or wrongly. Liverpool pressed the ball very well indeed but for whatever reason last night we didn't show for the ball as we normally do and when we did have it were slow in our ball circulation. I tried to express my thoughts on the game which you said were "crap" which is your opinion (if not a very detailed one). As for the DNA thing, I've always maintained what a load of balls that is so you're definitely barking up the wrong tree on that one. It's not the end of the world and we can still get through but it was definitely a missed opportunity last night. I shall be at Anfield still hoping we can turn the tide and get through, which will be a brilliant achievement. I to will be at Anfield to witness a famous victory. Nobody gave us a chance at Cardiff did they? No and I'm giving us a good chance as we are good enough to do it.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jan 6, 2016 10:55:39 GMT
Got to say I'm absolutely livid about last night. Stoke's chances of success are few and far between, when the opportunity comes round we have to grab it with both hands. I went with my lad last night, he's 15, the same age I was when I skived off school to go to West Ham in '71. If it takes as long as it has to be in the next semi final since West Ham he'll be the same age as me now. I'm 60 this year. We blew it last night. We were up against the poorest Liverpool side I've seen in 50 years of watching Stoke. Ravaged by injuries they were struggling to put a side out. To make matters worse for them they had to make 3 more changes during the game. Yet still we couldn't impose ourselves and grasp the chance. Talk about looking at gift horses in the mouth. I'm sure some anorak will come out with some tactical, false No. 9, blah blah mumbo jumbo bullshit to explain our failure. However I'm a great believer in the simplicity of football. Years ago Notts County had a wily old Scots manager, Jimmy Sirrell. His football philosophy was simple, summed up in a comment he made after a particular game they had lost, "If ya dinnae score, ya dinnae win." We find it difficult to score and if we can't score, we can't win. Simples. Our tactics last night appeared to be to attempt to pass Liverpool to death. We had 64% possession yet managed only 2 shots on target. 90 minutes of effort for 2 shots, an average of 1 every 45 minutes. Unbelievable Jeff! In recent weeks I've read some crap on here about whether we can become a top 6 side. As it stands the answer's simple. No. The difference between top 6 sides and the rest is all about consistency. Top 6 six sides perform well consistently, Stoke don't. We have a couple of good games followed by a couple of bad ones, good one, 2 bad ones, 2 good ones, 3 bad ones, and so one. It has ever been so with Stoke. The trick is to make sure you put in a good performance when it matters. Last night mattered. I suspect I now understand why players like Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri have failed to make it at the very top and stay there. They lack the ability to perform at a consistently top level week in, week out. Top sides demand that consistency, if a player can't deliver, they're out. They end up playing for Stoke. Like I was at West Ham, when we also needed to come back from a first leg defeat, I'll be at Anfield for the 2nd leg. Stoke haven't won there since I was in nappies. In the meantime I'll keep my eyes peeled for flying pigs. See you all at Donny.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 6, 2016 11:01:36 GMT
Got to say I'm absolutely livid about last night. Stoke's chances of success are few and far between, when the opportunity comes round we have to grab it with both hands. I went with my lad last night, he's 15, the same age I was when I skived off school to go to West Ham in '71. If it takes as long as it has to be in the next semi final since West Ham he'll be the same age as me now. I'm 60 this year. We blew it last night. We were up against the poorest Liverpool side I've seen in 50 years of watching Stoke. Ravaged by injuries they were struggling to put a side out. To make matters worse for them they had to make 3 more changes during the game. Yet still we couldn't impose ourselves and grasp the chance. Talk about looking at gift horses in the mouth. I'm sure some anorak will come out with some tactical, false No. 9, blah blah mumbo jumbo bullshit to explain our failure. However I'm a great believer in the simplicity of football. Years ago Notts County had a wily old Scots manager, Jimmy Sirrell. His football philosophy was simple, summed up in a comment he made after a particular game they had lost, "If ya dinnae score, ya dinnae win." We find it difficult to score and if we can't score, we can't win. Simples. Our tactics last night appeared to be to attempt to pass Liverpool to death. We had 64% possession yet managed only 2 shots on target. 90 minutes of effort for 2 shots, an average of 1 every 45 minutes. Unbelievable Jeff! In recent weeks I've read some crap on here about whether we can become a top 6 side. As it stands the answer's simple. No. The difference between top 6 sides and the rest is all about consistency. Top 6 six sides perform well consistently, Stoke don't. We have a couple of good games followed by a couple of bad ones, good one, 2 bad ones, 2 good ones, 3 bad ones, and so one. It has ever been so with Stoke. The trick is to make sure you put in a good performance when it matters. Last night mattered. I suspect I now understand why players like Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri have failed to make it at the very top and stay there. They lack the ability to perform at a consistently top level week in, week out. Top sides demand that consistency, if a player can't deliver, they're out. They end up playing for Stoke. Like I was at West Ham, when we also needed to come back from a first leg defeat, I'll be at Anfield for the 2nd leg. Stoke haven't won there since I was in nappies. In the meantime I'll keep my eyes peeled for flying pigs. See you all at Donny. 100% every bit of this My son got back with me 1 am and lord knows what he will be like at college today
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Post by stokiejohnss on Jan 6, 2016 11:37:28 GMT
Let's try and look on the bright side ! In '72 we were losing 2-1 from the home leg and if I remember correctly we were not expecting to get to Wembley but miraculously we did. So we must never give up hope as a fired up Stoke support at Anfield will surely lift our players to put in a very much improved performance. Its hardly inconceivable that we can't score a goal or two and keep a clean sheet ?
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Post by redstriper on Jan 6, 2016 11:54:06 GMT
Too many people EXPECTED us to turn them over tonight No, I think many people just expected them to TRY to turn them over. By all means try, and fail. No shame in that. Last night they didn't even try. That is what is pissing a lot of people off. Our greatest opportunity in years, and the players couldn't be arsed. Yes people bloody well will be angry and they have a right to be. couldn't be arsed ?, didn't try ? this is exactly what the OP is on about, people like you spouting utter bollocks, well done for emphasising his point for him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 12:21:29 GMT
People on here are just super reactionary it's as simple as that, it's a great feeling when we're winning but when we aren't the mood is pretty unbearable! People on here that react embarrassingly don't go to games in my experience. The ones that booed last night shouldn't go to games in my opinion. Fans? I've shit em. Not sure I agree mate, was at the game last night and there were some right drama queens on the way out I thought talking like it's the end of the world. I just think its sadly always the most vocal ones both online and in real life who are so embarrassing and it tends to be the vast (and quiet) majority who react reasonably and appropriately. Great ava by the way, makes it hard to pay attention to the point you're making though
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Post by watcher on Jan 6, 2016 12:31:29 GMT
To be honest it didn't feel like a cup semi final. We were so quiet it was unreal! Imagine if it was at the vic 20 yrs ago and it would have been jumping. Did we bottle it or were the players knackered after Christmas? Quote of the night from the fella behind me" bojan can fuck off up the vale and take shaqiri with you" priceless stuff!
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 6, 2016 12:42:28 GMT
This is what happens when expectations are raised. People need to keep some balance. In every game we start with 11 v 11 and a lot can happen, we used to rattle a few cages ourselves in the past! Now we go into most games as favourites (especially according to many on here) and are expected to win at a canter. Well, the opposition will always have something to say about that and sometimes you have to give them some credit. Liverpool chased and harried from the first minute, excellent tactics from Klopp, and we struggled to get going. The changes helped us...maybe, in hindsight, those changes should have come a bit sooner, but now is not the time for wrist slashing
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 6, 2016 13:52:06 GMT
You can't say the word "froze" on here apparently, mate. It is officially "sticking the boot in" I'm told. Like you say, it's about having an opinion. It appears when someone questions yours you can't handle it. I said at the time, my opinion was you were talking crap about freezing, hiding and the oppo wanting it more. In my opinion that is questioning the players attitude and commitment which to me is sticking the boot in. You're one step away from prattling on about DNA. You obviously see it differently which is fair enough. I think we can all agree we played very poorly and we let an average Liverpool side dominate us from the off. It was extremely disappointing but we're not out of it which is the only positive. There was no lack of effort in my opinion. They tried their hearts out but the harder they tried, the worse they seemed to get. I think everyone can agree that we were terribly poor on the night and lucky to still be in the tie.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 6, 2016 17:06:52 GMT
Thing is Liverpool can be quite good, they have a lot of very highly rated players, if they get right then Klop's tactics are difficult to beat. We could have done better, should have done better, but all this panic stations because we lost to Liverpool show how much we have improved. A few years ago the same fixture was 0 - 8 Yeah, and a few years before that Shankley went into the Stoke dressing room to tell Waddington what a great team he had and Hudson had just put in one of the best performances he had ever seen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 17:09:58 GMT
I can sum up the performance in one word:
TIRED.
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Post by ryanbox360 on Jan 6, 2016 17:21:16 GMT
I don't think it's overreacting, and everyone is entitled to their rants and vents, we all have an opinion on what we've seen.
What I see it as is passion for our club!
My Mrs doesn't really follow football, but on a Saturday evening or Sunday if you ask her she'd most likely be able to tell you how Stoke have got on.
When we lose I'm miserable, abject and distant. Inversely when we win I'm bouncing about the house!
All part and parcel of being a proper football fan; we're world beaters and are going to break into the top 4 and win cups after matches like City, Utd and Everton. We're relegation fodder and half the team needs replacing urgently when we lose.
I love it!
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Post by thanksjon on Jan 6, 2016 18:25:10 GMT
Just home now from the match (Dublin),some observations:They were very good in the first half and we were probably lucky to be only one down.We Deffo need to play Walters or similar or we have no out ball under pressure.BoJan was really awful he needs a rest as much as I do.I love Arnie but how he got MOTM is a mystery.Weare unlikely to be as poor in the second leg so don't give up yet.As an aside I stayed in the HolidayInn last night and there were still traffic jams there at 11 15
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 18:35:04 GMT
Quote of the night from the fella behind me" bojan can fuck off up the vale and take shaqiri with you" priceless stuff! We really do have some retards who pay good money for their "right" to spout utter bollocks. Long gone is is the time when someone would be told to shut the fuck up and/or get a kick in the balls or a smack in the chops. Modern football....
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