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Post by whydelilah on Dec 8, 2015 12:58:13 GMT
I'd go: -
1) Chic Bates 2) Chris Kamara 3) Brian Little
Notable mention to Steve Cotterill.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2015 13:00:10 GMT
If you're basing it on stone cold results then Pulis is second. If you're basing it on personal experience and a few other things like the style then Pulis is way down for me. What a shock! I bet you even booeed after we beat Bolton 5-0? I did, we were shit in the first 10 minutes.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 8, 2015 13:01:10 GMT
People talk about ceilings? Peter Coates doesn't, Mark Hughes doesn't. The only person who banged on about ceilings and spent most time managing expectations whilst reading out his CV and talking about Steak and Chips is long gone. Thank the Lord! BM Is any discussion of MH's greatness doomed to become another opportunity to stick the knife in to our former manager who did a pretty decent job himself? Pretty sad if that's the case. You forgot to mention that everyone else is obsessed with Tone, Foxy!
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 13:10:41 GMT
Is any discussion of MH's greatness doomed to become another opportunity to stick the knife in to our former manager who did a pretty decent job himself? Pretty sad if that's the case. You forgot to mention that everyone else is obsessed with Tone, Foxy! Not everyone else......just a select few
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Dec 8, 2015 13:31:04 GMT
You forgot to mention that everyone else is obsessed with Tone, Foxy! Not everyone else......just a select few But certainly not you, clearly.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 13:58:56 GMT
Not everyone else......just a select few But certainly not you, clearly. I don't think I'm obsessed with TP at all. We have a better manager now, arguably the best in the league all things considered. I do find it interesting how some can't move on from their hatred of the previous manager and can't wait to slate him at any given chance.
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 8, 2015 14:12:44 GMT
Apart from the fact Pulis took Stoke to a Cup Final by ensuring all our matches went to form in a cup run where we had great luck in drawing teams of lesser ability, I have not accredited any achievement with the name Tony Pulis. His period at Stoke for me were dark days. He did not win the cup. I measure achievement by winning something or if comparing non winners I turn to league position. Under Pulis we were always nothing more than relegation candidates and we consistently heard Pulis reminding us that we were minnows in the football ocean. I can now go anywhere in Europe and hold my head up. In terms of league position Hughes has not only taken us regularly to higher levels in the league, he has blown away the myth that you have to be afraid of the top sides. How can anyone ever place Pulis ahead of Hughes?
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 14:23:15 GMT
Apart from the fact Pulis took Stoke to a Cup Final by ensuring all our matches went to form in a cup run where we had great luck in drawing teams of lesser ability, I have not accredited any achievement with the name Tony Pulis. His period at Stoke for me were dark days. He did not win the cup. I measure achievement by winning something or if comparing non winners I turn to league position. Under Pulis we were always nothing more than relegation candidates and we consistently heard Pulis reminding us that we were minnows in the football ocean. I can now go anywhere in Europe and hold my head up. In terms of league position Hughes has not only taken us regularly to higher levels in the league, he has blown away the myth that you have to be afraid of the top sides. How can anyone ever place Pulis ahead of Hughes? You do realise we haven't always been in the Premier League don't you?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2015 14:25:34 GMT
For me, and I said it on the day he arrived, Mark Hughes will go on to be the best manager we've ever had if he stays for 5 years or more. During this time, even if it isn't this season, he will win us a trophy. I'm convinced of it.
He isn't, however, our best manager YET.
Tony Waddington is undoubtedly number 1 (even though I'm not old enough to ever have seen his team play) and I would put Tony Pulis and Lou Macari on equal footing in second place. Regardless of your views of him, Tony Pulis for a long time, did a very good job even though his negativity will never truly endear him to myself and many others. Getting us up, keeping us up, delivering the cup final and Europe was amazing though some of those things are tainted by the negativity throughout and the abject surrenders in both the Cup Final and Valencia do him no favours at all.
Lou Macari brought us back from the abyss, delivered a team we could be proud of and generated an excitement and atmosphere that, for me at least, is unparalleled in my lifetime, up to last Saturday. Anything seemed possible for us in Macari's first spell and had he not left for Celtic (and Stein for Chelsea days/weeks afterwards), we would almost certainly have been promoted to the Premier League that season. That team would, had it remained intact, would have stayed there as well.
Bob Mcgrory should be up there as well but other than the history books, I know nothing of his team, how good they were, how good they could have been or anything else.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 14:27:13 GMT
For me, and I said it on the day he arrived, Mark Hughes will go on to be the best manager we've ever had if he stays for 5 years or more. During this time, even if it isn't this season, he will win us a trophy. I'm convinced of it. He isn't, however, our best manager YET. Tony Waddington is undoubtedly number 1 (even though I'm not old enough to ever have seen his team play) and I would put Tony Pulis and Lou Macari on equal footing in second place. Regardless of your views of him, Tony Pulis for a long time, did a very good job even though his negativity will never truly endear him to myself and many others. Getting us up, keeping us up, delivering the cup final and Europe was amazing though some of those things are tainted by the negativity throughout and the abject surrenders in both the Cup Final and Valencia do him no favours at all. Lou Macari brought us back from the abyss, delivered a team we could be proud of and generated an excitement and atmosphere that, for me at least, is unparalleled in my lifetime, up to last Saturday. Anything seemed possible for us in Macari's first spell and had he not left for Celtic (and Stein for Chelsea days/weeks afterwards), we would almost certainly have been promoted to the Premier League that season. That team would, had it remained intact, would have stayed there as well. Bob Mcgrory should be up there as well but other than the history books, I know nothing of his team, how good they were, how good they could have been or anything else. Good post.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2015 14:33:44 GMT
For me, and I said it on the day he arrived, Mark Hughes will go on to be the best manager we've ever had if he stays for 5 years or more. During this time, even if it isn't this season, he will win us a trophy. I'm convinced of it. He isn't, however, our best manager YET. Tony Waddington is undoubtedly number 1 (even though I'm not old enough to ever have seen his team play) and I would put Tony Pulis and Lou Macari on equal footing in second place. Regardless of your views of him, Tony Pulis for a long time, did a very good job even though his negativity will never truly endear him to myself and many others. Getting us up, keeping us up, delivering the cup final and Europe was amazing though some of those things are tainted by the negativity throughout and the abject surrenders in both the Cup Final and Valencia do him no favours at all. Lou Macari brought us back from the abyss, delivered a team we could be proud of and generated an excitement and atmosphere that, for me at least, is unparalleled in my lifetime, up to last Saturday. Anything seemed possible for us in Macari's first spell and had he not left for Celtic (and Stein for Chelsea days/weeks afterwards), we would almost certainly have been promoted to the Premier League that season. That team would, had it remained intact, would have stayed there as well. Bob Mcgrory should be up there as well but other than the history books, I know nothing of his team, how good they were, how good they could have been or anything else. Good post. It must have been good if you liked it!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 8, 2015 14:43:16 GMT
1. Waddo: Won a trophy, longevity at the club, genuine title contenders towards the back end pre Butler Street.
2. McGrory, both for longevity and taking us closer to a league title than ever before and creating that team of legends we all know.
3. Pulis, love him or loathe him I don't much care to be honest, whether others could have done it or not he took us back, secured us, got us to a final and into Europe, shame it turned so sour towards the end.
4. Hughes, fully expecting him at this juncture to move up the list at some point. In the current day and age to finish top half with the limited spending he's had relative to his predecessor is nothing short of incredible. First League Cup semi since Waddo and arguably built the best squad we've ever had. if he stays we could be in for some great times.
5. Lou, He was just smashing wasn't he after all the dross that had come before. Rebuilt the pride in the club and signed some absolute legends that persist to this day even though we were in the 3rd tier. I don't think the club will ever pound for pound have a better season than 92-93. Shame he left relatively prematurely it was both to his and the club's detriment.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Dec 8, 2015 15:57:25 GMT
Yes McGrory's post war team was within 1 match of being Champions of England. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McGroryStoke then went into their final match of the (1946-47) season against Sheffield United knowing if they win they will be champions, they lost 2–1.That team had a number of great players but notably Matthews and Franklin were 2 of the greatest ever according to their peers (Wright, Finney, later Pele). Yes, it would be wrong to rule McGrory out because it was a long time ago. He has to be right up there. Imagine, he was one win away from being immortal to us.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Dec 8, 2015 15:59:38 GMT
1. Waddo: Won a trophy, longevity at the club, genuine title contenders towards the back end pre Butler Street. 2. McGrory, both for longevity and taking us closer to a league title than ever before and creating that team of legends we all know. 3. Pulis, love him or loathe him I don't much care to be honest, whether others could have done it or not he took us back, secured us, got us to a final and into Europe, shame it turned so sour towards the end. 4. Hughes, fully expecting him at this juncture to move up the list at some point. In the current day and age to finish top half with the limited spending he's had relative to his predecessor is nothing short of incredible. First League Cup semi since Waddo and arguably built the best squad we've ever had. if he stays we could be in for some great times. 5. Lou, He was just smashing wasn't he after all the dross that had come before. Rebuilt the pride in the club and signed some absolute legends that persist to this day even though we were in the 3rd tier. I don't think the club will ever pound for pound have a better season than 92-93. Shame he left relatively prematurely it was both to his and the club's detriment. This is spot on for me!
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Post by wrighter on Dec 8, 2015 16:02:32 GMT
Not yet, !! but not far off
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Post by kustokie on Dec 8, 2015 16:31:40 GMT
I appreciate everything Pulis did; however, I was glad to see him go because he'd outstayed his welcome and had accomplished everything he was capable of. Hughes may eclipse Waddo, if he stays another five years or so. The vitriol on here will be something else if he jumps ship in the next couple of years. That being said, we should never lose sight of the fact that we would not have attracted Hughes in the first place if it were not for the accomplishments of Tony Pulis. So for me it's Waddington first, Pulis second and Hughes not eligible.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 8, 2015 16:39:12 GMT
It's good to see the love for Lou Macari on here.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 17:05:36 GMT
It must have been good if you liked it! You know I love you really Dave. Just not quite as much as I love SJW :-)
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Post by milky on Dec 8, 2015 17:37:00 GMT
I started going to stoke as a 11 year old at the tail end of the 74/75 season so I pretty much arrived at the start of the decline.Youd have to put Waddington top though.
Lou put the club back on the map and they were special times..I hate Liam Brady for being a wank manager.Even in his second spell he was two games away from the premiership. That would have been some achievement when you consider what he was fighting against.
TP did brilliant until the wheels fell off late boxing day evening 2012 when he inexplicably became scared of his own shadow.
I'd like to think MH could eclipse them all..Time will tell ,but the ride should be enjoyable.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 8, 2015 18:15:12 GMT
Hughes shits on Pulis. The end.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 8, 2015 18:19:20 GMT
He will be when he signs Sir Stan and Neil Franklin!
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 8, 2015 18:19:54 GMT
Hughes shits on Pulis. The end. No he doesn't. MH is way too classy for that.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 8, 2015 18:28:28 GMT
Could the FA be interested in appointing Sparky for the England job when they come to their senses and bin Mr charisma, Woy Hodgson ? If they're looking for a British man for the job and considering the fantastic job he's doing here, is there a better option. I hope not, but it could be the case eventually. And Shawcross would probably become a regular for the National team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 18:30:35 GMT
No.
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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2015 18:30:49 GMT
Tony Pulis is the greatest manager in our history by a country mile.
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Post by pyrus on Dec 8, 2015 18:30:56 GMT
Could the FA be interested in appointing Sparky for the England job when they come to their senses and bin Mr charisma, Woy Hodgson ? If they're looking for a British man for the job and considering the fantastic job he's doing here, is there a better option. I hope not, but it could be the case eventually. And Shawcross would probably become a regular for the National team. Not gonna happen. 1. He's Welsh 2. He's not stupid 3. He's only just getting warmed up at Stoke
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 18:35:05 GMT
Tony Pulis is the greatest manager in our history by a country mile. How's Shaqiri doing?
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Post by chrisparker on Dec 8, 2015 18:40:00 GMT
He deserves better
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Dec 8, 2015 18:54:23 GMT
I hope not too. I'd hope he would tell them to piss off if they offered it to him. But he and Eddie Howe maybe on their shortlist.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 8, 2015 19:05:46 GMT
Tony Pulis is the greatest manager in our history by a country mile. Hey up its pantomime season Oh no he isn't! BM
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