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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 28, 2015 14:18:44 GMT
It's a reduction that would mean the rich get richer and reduces opportunities for clubs in the Championship to get their day in the sun. Yes I know That negates any 'good reasons' as far as I'm concerned. Not worth it.
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Post by wembley4372 on Nov 28, 2015 14:20:30 GMT
Great idea! Thirty odd fewer players playing top flight football. A couple of them might have been English.
Or just fuck the top two teams off to play in Europe for a year and leave their B team to try and survive in the prem.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 28, 2015 15:40:15 GMT
I've said this many times ......in 71-72 Stoke played 71 competitive games in League, FA Cup, League Cup, Texaco and Anglo Italian Cups. Many of the squad played 50+ games and Jackie Marsh played 69 of them. Please don't say the pace of today's game blah, blah, blah because the standard of pitches 45 years ago was nothing short of the Somme Battlefield during winter months.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 28, 2015 22:22:59 GMT
Ive got an idea lets invest Dyke's 500,000 salary into a really good and progressive idea like this. An idea that Dyke has had 3 years to come up but never did and never would. An idea that will do more for football than Dyke would ever have the capacity to contribute, an idea that only a proper football person might think of. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34950055
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 4, 2015 19:29:12 GMT
It's all about instant gratification, at club level, with no real long term plan for the national side. EU rules prevent a quota system against European players, but surely we could restrict the number of players from elsewhere getting work permits? Sadly the old duffers at the FA don't have the vision to really get to grips with the situation and as more and more cash floods into the Premier League countries such as Germany are rubbing their hands as their clubs can't compete, so they don't get the Bundesliga flooded with "foreigners"
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 4, 2015 19:47:33 GMT
So someone in football makes a suggestion that he thinks may lead to improvement in English football and which he may be able to have some influence on. Our response is to release a tirade of insults and a series of vague suggestions in areas that are controlled by people outside this country. Surely he has a right to open up discussion? Or do we think everything is fine and dandy in English football? this si the man who was supporting Michel Platini a few weeks ago. Michel Platini who has presided over the massive expansion of noth Champions League and international fixtures. Surely rationalising international football is the key, having a two tier system with smaller finals and a Champions League for champions. Do fans want less Premier League games? i certainly don't. Is there any evidence this would help England who have just won 10 qualifying games in a row…NO. More likely other leagues will grow to 20 teams to increase TV money to be able to compete with Stoke for players like Shaqiri
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 4, 2015 23:14:49 GMT
he just comes up with random shit all the time. Scudamore will tell him to do one I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 4, 2015 23:22:22 GMT
he just comes up with random shit all the time. Scudamore will tell him to do one I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it. But fewer games means less income. Would they support it?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 4, 2015 23:22:31 GMT
It might help us. We do better against the better teams!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 4, 2015 23:23:06 GMT
Ive got an idea lets invest Dyke's 500,000 salary into a really good and progressive idea like this. An idea that Dyke has had 3 years to come up but never did and never would. An idea that will do more for football than Dyke would ever have the capacity to contribute, an idea that only a proper football person might think of. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34950055Just on a point of accuracy GD's salary is circa £150k, not £500k. I don't support this idea, but you can't fairly accuse Greg Dyke of not coming up with ideas to tackle the decline of the number of english qualified players getting game time at the top level. He set up a Commission to do just that and it did come up with a set of specific ideas, some of which were very controversial ( 'B' teams) but others are being implemented, and they are all aimed at developing pathways for young english talent.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 4, 2015 23:25:21 GMT
I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it. But fewer games means less income. Would they support it? Gate income from league games is a declining share of income for all PL clubs, but particularly those at the top who are in the Champions league.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 4, 2015 23:34:51 GMT
It's all about instant gratification, at club level, with no real long term plan for the national side. EU rules prevent a quota system against European players, but surely we could restrict the number of players from elsewhere getting work permits? Sadly the old duffers at the FA don't have the vision to really get to grips with the situation and as more and more cash floods into the Premier League countries such as Germany are rubbing their hands as their clubs can't compete, so they don't get the Bundesliga flooded with "foreigners" To be fair Greg Dyke's England Commission did identify the ease of getting work permits for non-EU players as one of the problems, and in conjunction with Government, action has been taken on that - but as you say it doesn't help with the bigger issue of EU players. I don't think the problem is a lack of ideas from the 'old duffers' (whoever they are) - it is a combination of legal reasons and the lack of any commitment to this by PL clubs. How many english qualified players will be in our 18 tomorrow ? ( and we are better than many). What has happened to our young bright prospect, Ollie Shenton, who must see a place in our squad receeding rather than coming nearer, because of the amount of foreign talent we sign.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 23:56:06 GMT
ignoring all Gregs bs about helping grass roots football the reality is ... With all the money slushing around, wouldn't you think the London clubs would collaborate to support Senrab? If I was a pro, I'd donate some money to them each year and volunteer as a coach. But pros are so out of touch with grassroots and everyday people....
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Post by upthefud on Dec 5, 2015 1:31:10 GMT
I don't mind Dyke coming up with ideas like this. Luckily he'll be banged up with the rest of FIFA before it gets anywhere.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Dec 5, 2015 3:38:27 GMT
These bureaucrats like Dyke and Blatter have to justify their salaries by coming up with fantasmagorical concepts to revolutionise or evolve football . They fail to grasp that football was popular before they discovered it. In England we had the greatest league structure in the world and the oldest and greatest club competition in the world. Now for the sake of unthinkable amounts of sponsorship cash and our unprecedented access to live games, we have a divided league structure, a pathetically diminished FA cup and century old community institutions going bust on a frequent basis. But what about the national side ? Remember when we were handed the holy grail of the Premier league by Sugar , Edwards and co? It was all about the international profile. All about English success on the world stage. I wonder how that,s gone in the last 23 years.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 5, 2015 5:50:14 GMT
These bureaucrats like Dyke and Blatter have to justify their salaries by coming up with fantasmagorical concepts to revolutionise or evolve football . They fail to grasp that football was popular before they discovered it. In England we had the greatest league structure in the world and the oldest and greatest club competition in the world. Now for the sake of unthinkable amounts of sponsorship cash and our unprecedented access to live games, we have a divided league structure, a pathetically diminished FA cup and century old community institutions going bust on a frequent basis. But what about the national side ? Remember when we were handed the holy grail of the Premier league by Sugar , Edwards and co? It was all about the international profile. All about English success on the world stage. I wonder how that,s gone in the last 23 years. The England thing was the emotional blackmail they used to justify it. Graham Taylor, to his eternal credit, said at the time it was bollox.
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Post by yerwot on Dec 5, 2015 9:21:26 GMT
Reduced number of games to reduce tiredness and fatigue? So the shit etc can then go on a mini world tour to increase income and exposure - they don't complain of fatigue in their players then even with the air travel
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 5, 2015 9:59:50 GMT
Ive got an idea lets invest Dyke's 500,000 salary into a really good and progressive idea like this. An idea that Dyke has had 3 years to come up but never did and never would. An idea that will do more for football than Dyke would ever have the capacity to contribute, an idea that only a proper football person might think of. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34950055Just on a point of accuracy GD's salary is circa £150k, not £500k. I don't support this idea, but you can't fairly accuse Greg Dyke of not coming up with ideas to tackle the decline of the number of english qualified players getting game time at the top level. He set up a Commission to do just that and it did come up with a set of specific ideas, some of which were very controversial ( 'B' teams) but others are being implemented, and they are all aimed at developing pathways for young english talent. My problem Malcolm is that his ideas invariably seem to strike at those lower down the totem pole of the game.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 5, 2015 21:49:17 GMT
These bureaucrats like Dyke and Blatter have to justify their salaries by coming up with fantasmagorical concepts to revolutionise or evolve football . They fail to grasp that football was popular before they discovered it. In England we had the greatest league structure in the world and the oldest and greatest club competition in the world. Now for the sake of unthinkable amounts of sponsorship cash and our unprecedented access to live games, we have a divided league structure, a pathetically diminished FA cup and century old community institutions going bust on a frequent basis. But what about the national side ? Remember when we were handed the holy grail of the Premier league by Sugar , Edwards and co? It was all about the international profile. All about English success on the world stage. I wonder how that,s gone in the last 23 years. IMHO there is no comparison whatever between Dyke and Blatter. Even if you disagree with some of GD's ideas, he is not corrupt and he isn't responsible for the ills of FIFA or world football, or even indeed for the ills of english football, which you eloquently outline. They all occurred long before Dyke was Chair of the FA. Indeed I would venture to suggest that some of them probably wouldn't have occurred at all if he had been running the FA at the time. But you are right that the FA founded the PL on the argument that it would help the national team, whereas it has had precisely the reverse effect, because of the number of foreign players. The more real reason was the dislike at the time between the FA and Football League, to which the FA responded by creating a monster which it now can't control.
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Post by kidsgroveboxxy on Dec 5, 2015 21:55:39 GMT
Why are we digging up old threads? If that's the case can we find some 'Pulis-love-in' threads?
Just for shits n' giggles!
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Post by tijuanabrass on Dec 6, 2015 1:32:02 GMT
These bureaucrats like Dyke and Blatter have to justify their salaries by coming up with fantasmagorical concepts to revolutionise or evolve football . They fail to grasp that football was popular before they discovered it. In England we had the greatest league structure in the world and the oldest and greatest club competition in the world. Now for the sake of unthinkable amounts of sponsorship cash and our unprecedented access to live games, we have a divided league structure, a pathetically diminished FA cup and century old community institutions going bust on a frequent basis. But what about the national side ? Remember when we were handed the holy grail of the Premier league by Sugar , Edwards and co? It was all about the international profile. All about English success on the world stage. I wonder how that,s gone in the last 23 years. IMHO there is no comparison whatever between Dyke and Blatter. Even if you disagree with some of GD's ideas, he is not corrupt and he isn't responsible for the ills of FIFA or world football, or even indeed for the ills of english football, which you eloquently outline. They all occurred long before Dyke was Chair of the FA. Indeed I would venture to suggest that some of them probably wouldn't have occurred at all if he had been running the FA at the time. But you are right that the FA founded the PL on the argument that it would help the national team, whereas it has had precisely the reverse effect, because of the number of foreign players. The more real reason was the dislike at the time between the FA and Football League, to which the FA responded by creating a monster which it now can't control. Thanks Malcolm and you are probably correct that it is unfair to daub Greg with the Blatter brush. However, wasn't Dyke head of the London Weekend team that brokered the premiership deal with the Lancaster Gate cabal?
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Post by spawnyruud on Dec 6, 2015 5:59:45 GMT
Great so we can assume he'll also enforce a 10% discount (18/20) on license fees to the broadcasters, players wages and our season tickets then can't we. Knob.
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Dec 6, 2015 6:53:59 GMT
If Mr Dyke wants to improve the England team? May i suggest that he sack Uncle Woy!
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Post by potterglen on Dec 6, 2015 7:14:05 GMT
he just comes up with random shit all the time. Scudamore will tell him to do one I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it. 'Big clubs' would support this notion for one particular reason - 4 less Premier League games every season. This (they think) will lead to better European performances and I'd say this is the real reason for messing with numbers and nothing to do with developing grass roots football AT ALL!
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Post by OnionBag on Dec 6, 2015 7:54:19 GMT
I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it. 'Big clubs' would support this notion for one particular reason - 4 less Premier League games every season and this (they would think) will offer better European performances. But they'd just use the reduction in games to play more lucrative friendlies.
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Post by potterglen on Dec 6, 2015 7:57:49 GMT
If Mr Dyke wants to improve the England team? May i suggest that he sack Uncle Woy! Fair cop Guv.
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Post by potterglen on Dec 6, 2015 8:01:09 GMT
'Big clubs' would support this notion for one particular reason - 4 less Premier League games every season and this (they would think) will offer better European performances. But they'd just use the reduction in games to play more lucrative friendlies. Which is the more lucrative, Champs/Europa League of friendlies?
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2015 10:50:25 GMT
It should expanded back to 24 teams, not further reduced to 18.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 6, 2015 12:12:30 GMT
he just comes up with random shit all the time. Scudamore will tell him to do one I don't support this idea but it's not a new idea and Greg Dyke didn't invent it. It was actually part of the original scheme when the PL was formed. It was reduced from 22 to 20 but the final reduction to 18 has never happened. I doubt whether it will, because unless the FA tried to impose it, it would need 14 clubs to support it and potential turkeys don't vote for christmas. I do think however that the big clubs might well support it. I thought PL teams wanted a 39th game in Hong Kong or wherever, or will that now be a 37th game?
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Post by potterglen on Dec 6, 2015 16:13:24 GMT
It should expanded back to 24 teams, not further reduced to 18. You trying to finish Whingers Diddymen off altogether?
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