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Post by haway on Nov 24, 2015 18:04:57 GMT
Anyone mentioned we're slow at the back? Defoe went off injured last night. Will he be fit for Satdee? Didn't go down the tunnel, was able to put weight on it but was limping around a decent bit. I'd expect him to start, if not - he'll be brought on as a sub for Borini who is due back
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Post by haway on Nov 24, 2015 18:09:56 GMT
Anyone mentioned we're slow at the back? It's not gone unnoticed! You don't say! We're not the quickest at the back but we sit quite deep & have the likes of Cattermole & M'Vila for protection and bringing it out. I'm looking forward to the game though - wouldn't be surprised with any result to be fair. Should be coming down for the game down Stoke too which is around April time I think
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Post by potterglen on Nov 24, 2015 19:03:43 GMT
I'd understand this kind of thread but after a win away and Walters scoring two international goals the week before? I'm lost You poor lost thing. Fact is, Super Jon scored as many goals in one game for Ireland than he has all season for Stoke in the PL.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 24, 2015 19:12:45 GMT
Sunderland went 8-1-1 tonight. I think Diouf is the better option for games where the opposition are doing most of the pressing and we are looking to hit them on the break but for opponents who sit tight themselves then Walters clever persistence is slightly more likely to reap dividends. Sunderland the team on the right tonight. I agree but Sunderland were away from home and were playing for a draw. They have to come out all guns blazing on Saturday bearing in mind their horrendous Xmas fixture list. Not so sure they will,In Big Sam's interview, he was stressing the importance of keeping clean sheets ,so I don't think they will be going gung ho. Should be an interesting game,I can't see there being many goals though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 24, 2015 19:23:10 GMT
I agree but Sunderland were away from home and were playing for a draw. They have to come out all guns blazing on Saturday bearing in mind their horrendous Xmas fixture list. Not so sure they will,In Big Sam's interview, he was stressing the importance of keeping clean sheets ,so I don't think they will be going gung ho. Should be an interesting game,I can't see there being many goals though. There is a fair middle ground between gung ho and ultra defensive.
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Post by haway on Nov 24, 2015 19:32:06 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 24, 2015 22:59:02 GMT
Local TV here in the North East is raving about last night's Sunderland result. Loads of hyperbole like "Sam has turned the corner".
We may think differently but the result has certainly given a fillip to the players and the fans.
The local media is also building up the match with us as a "must win" game as 4 of Sunderland's next 5 matches are against Arsenal, Chelsea, ManC, & Liverpool.
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Post by haway on Nov 24, 2015 23:28:12 GMT
Local TV here in the North East is raving about last night's Sunderland result. Loads of hyperbole like "Sam has turned the corner". We may think differently but the result has certainly given a fillip to the players and the fans. The local media is also building up the match with us as a "must win" game as 4 of Sunderland's next 5 matches are against Arsenal, Chelsea, ManC, & Liverpool. Not quite - the media are raving about it but I can assure you that the fans and players won't be getting carried away Although, your last point is true - but we've gained an instant reputation under Sam where teams don't really fancy playing us, despite them having much more quality. On paper though, yes - Stoke is a must win.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 1:53:21 GMT
It'd be difficult to make any changes from the team that won at Southampton. Nobody had a bad game and Hughes makes 'em play for the shirt. If there's one change I would contemplate though, it'd be to bring Diouf in up front to give us some pace to get in behind their back line. It would be harsh on Jon mind. Confidence is high. Away win. This ^
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 25, 2015 3:39:14 GMT
Toppish
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Post by tonedepear on Nov 25, 2015 9:28:46 GMT
Has everyone else got their tickets? I bought mine last Weds and it hasn't plopped through the letter box yet. Bit unusual. :/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 10:03:44 GMT
Might Hughes mix the team around this Sat (without weakening it) to allow for a near-full strength (and fit) team next Tuesday?
Difficult to say really as the team pick themselves through (well-deserved) merit at the moment.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2015 10:43:59 GMT
Has everyone else got their tickets? I bought mine last Weds and it hasn't plopped through the letter box yet. Bit unusual. :/ I got mine no problem. I bought them last Monday 16th and they arrived in a couple of days. Very helpful lady on the phone.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2015 10:48:27 GMT
Might Hughes mix the team around this Sat (without weakening it) to allow for a near-full strength (and fit) team next Tuesday? Difficult to say really as the team pick themselves through (well-deserved) merit at the moment. I doubt it, he has said he is aiming for 6th spot, knows he needs more points to distance himself from the relegation zone, and we have some more difficult matches coming up. He is a player's manager and is unlikely to disappoint a player who is part of a winning team.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 25, 2015 11:59:26 GMT
Another tough game. One we should be looking to win, but...
1. We always seem to do badly at Sunderland
2. Defoe is exactly the type of player that are centre backs hate
Despite all that, years of experience of disappointments and knowing that we lose games I expect us to win, I'm going for an away win and another clean sheet.
Insane and I should know better by know.
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2015 12:39:29 GMT
I'd understand this kind of thread but after a win away and Walters scoring two international goals the week before? I'm lost You poor lost thing. Fact is, Super Jon scored as many goals in one game for Ireland than he has all season for Stoke. Er....no he hasn't. 4 goals for Stoke this season That in itself doesn't mean Diouf shouldn't start mind
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2015 12:41:07 GMT
Another tough game. One we should be looking to win, but... 1. We always seem to do badly at Sunderland 2. Defoe is exactly the type of player that are centre backs hate Despite all that, years of experience of disappointments and knowing that we lose games I expect us to win, I'm going for an away win and another clean sheet. Insane and I should know better by know. Defoe limped off after scoring his goal so should be a doubt.
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Post by lordb on Nov 25, 2015 12:42:45 GMT
Local TV here in the North East is raving about last night's Sunderland result. Loads of hyperbole like "Sam has turned the corner". We may think differently but the result has certainly given a fillip to the players and the fans. The local media is also building up the match with us as a "must win" game as 4 of Sunderland's next 5 matches are against Arsenal, Chelsea, ManC, & Liverpool. Not quite - the media are raving about it but I can assure you that the fans and players won't be getting carried away Although, your last point is true - but we've gained an instant reputation under Sam where teams don't really fancy playing us, despite them having much more quality. On paper though, yes - Stoke is a must win. pressure is on Sunderland then.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 25, 2015 13:41:01 GMT
Another tough game. One we should be looking to win, but... 1. We always seem to do badly at Sunderland 2. Defoe is exactly the type of player that are centre backs hate Despite all that, years of experience of disappointments and knowing that we lose games I expect us to win, I'm going for an away win and another clean sheet. Insane and I should know better by know. Defoe limped off after scoring his goal so should be a doubt. Maybe a precaution and tactical? Go 1 up with 10 to go - I bet Big Sam didn't bring on another striker!
If I was Sam, I'd play Defoe whenever I could. Looks way more likely to score than Fletcher. It will be test for Shawcross and Wollschied's new partnership if he plays.
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Post by haway on Nov 25, 2015 17:43:06 GMT
Not quite - the media are raving about it but I can assure you that the fans and players won't be getting carried away Although, your last point is true - but we've gained an instant reputation under Sam where teams don't really fancy playing us, despite them having much more quality. On paper though, yes - Stoke is a must win. pressure is on Sunderland then. True Pressure also on Stoke to not lose to what many think are the worst side in the division...
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Post by potterglen on Nov 25, 2015 17:43:27 GMT
You poor lost thing. Fact is, Super Jon scored as many goals in one game for Ireland than he has all season for Stoke. Er....no he hasn't. 4 goals for Stoke this season That in itself doesn't mean Diouf shouldn't start mind
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Post by potterglen on Nov 25, 2015 17:47:37 GMT
You poor lost thing. Fact is, Super Jon scored as many goals in one game for Ireland than he has all season for Stoke. Er....no he hasn't. 4 goals for Stoke this season That in itself doesn't mean Diouf shouldn't start mind I refer to PL goals - he has 2.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 25, 2015 19:12:34 GMT
Draw written all over it.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2015 19:30:05 GMT
pressure is on Sunderland then. True Pressure also on Stoke to not lose to what many think are the worst side in the division... The pressure on Stoke is on the forwards to improve their shooting and start clocking up some goals. Arni and Shaqiri must be aware that their shooting has been poor, and the other forwards don't have much to boast about. On Saturday there was a marked improvement in getting off their shots instead on fannying around as in previous matches. There now needs to be a marked improvement in hitting the target which is inside the woodwork.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 25, 2015 20:35:16 GMT
Walters has to be the least dynamic striker in the PL, I'm completely lost on what Hughes logic is in having him out there. MBD needs to be on the pitch.
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Post by Linx on Nov 25, 2015 21:59:32 GMT
Walters has to be the least dynamic striker in the PL, I'm completely lost on what Hughes logic is in having him out there. MBD needs to be on the pitch. Well, San Francisco is perhaps too far away to see Walters and his game very clearly, I suppose.
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 26, 2015 0:35:34 GMT
Walters has to be the least dynamic striker in the PL, I'm completely lost on what Hughes logic is in having him out there. MBD needs to be on the pitch. I want and think Diouf should start also, but sorry, that's complete rubbish about Walters.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 26, 2015 3:33:29 GMT
Walters has to be the least dynamic striker in the PL, I'm completely lost on what Hughes logic is in having him out there. MBD needs to be on the pitch. Well, San Francisco is perhaps too far away to see Walters and his game very clearly, I suppose. What do you think he's bringing to the table as a striker? I'm genuinely asking.
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Post by Linx on Nov 26, 2015 6:54:52 GMT
He's dynamic, for a start. Always hustling and bustling, upsets defenders, facillitates, creates spaces for the attacking midfielders to score, and he scores goals himself. Not aplenty because, if he did, he wouldn't have been at Stoke for so long, but he gets enough. That's not to dismiss Diouf, because he also brings a lot to the table, but I'm happy with either up front.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 26, 2015 7:34:54 GMT
I won't deny he's tough and always hustling and bustling, but I feel like he always stalling out our counterattacks because he's terrible on the ball, and a lot of good entry passes from Shaq and Arnie get wasted because he can't finish to save his life.
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