billc
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Post by billc on Oct 29, 2015 17:37:16 GMT
I was approaching 9 in late March 1964 and attending St Peter’s School which had moved from a dilapidated building in the grounds of the Church to a vacated building next to the Victoria Ground. It was good for the school to be so closely associated with the club. We used the perimeter of the ground for Sport’s Day. My only sporting triumph was as a member of the Standard IV relay running team.
I also recall walking past the ground to see sheep grazing on the ground which for some time I thought I imagined but I have the photograph to prove it and it was not an illusion.
Peter Dobing often got a rough ride from the crowd. He was the first in my experience of a long line of Stoke players right through to modern times that antagonised the crowd. There were always allegations that he was “lazy” and not a grafter. He was not a crowd pleaser like others in the teams of the 60s. It might be the diffident rather lofty manner that he exuded. I saw him once walking briskly down Church Street in Stoke. He dressed like a Country Estate Manager , wearing a trilby, tweed jacket and twills and smoking a pipe. Someone told me that Dobing signed his autograph book after a game while puffing away on his favoured ounce of rough shag. Dobing was definitely old school, but he was a very good footballer. A Sentinel reporter on an occasion when Stoke were facing relegation in 1968 and were saved by a superlative performance by Dobing headlined a 3-0 win against Leeds with the headline “The genius of Dobing”.
Certainly that genius was on display on a heavy pitch where Stoke entertained a relegation doomed Ipswich. It was not a well attended game. There was the conflicting attraction of the Grand National and the day was rather grey and sunless. However, those that missed the match missed a treat of attacking football from Stoke and woeful defending by the Suffolk team.
And like those sheep that were grazing on the turf on the Victoria Ground it was they who were being led to the slaughter.
Viollet scored the first in the 2nd minute being the first to react to a ball that had been pushed out by the Ipswich keeper Thorburn saving a diving header from Bebbington. The initial cross having being supplied by Dobing.
A few minutes the Bebbington/ Dobing double act worked again when Bebbington crossed from the left. Ritchie let the ball move on to Dobing who cut in and drove the ball passed Thorburn.
Ipswich launched a fight back. Baxter came close with a glancing header and in the 19th minute Broadfoot raced in past Kinnell and Asprey blasting his cross come shot into the net after first drawing Leslie out of the Stoke goal.
On the 21st minute McIlroy headed brilliantly past the Ipswich keeper to be followed by a 4th a minute before half time when Viollet volleyed past the shell shocked Thorburn.
Stoke went into the dressing room with an ovation ringing in their ears.
They came out to the second half in the same resolved manner. A fifth came when Viollet prodded home achieving his hat trick when Thorburn could only parry a Dobing shot.
The popular Ritchie was next on the score sheet. He had endured a goal drought since January but a fine left foot shot ended that. He got a second and Stoke’s 7th on the 63rd minute. McIlroy made it 8 and then an unnamed Stoke player completed the rout.
Perhaps NG who compiled an excellent and well written report of the game had simply got writer’s cramp at this stage.
I think that Peter Dobing deserved a second bowl of tobacco after that performance.
Oh and the appropriately name Team Spirit came in at 18 to 1 to win the National
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Post by mystokebadge on Oct 29, 2015 17:49:53 GMT
My brother was born that day and on his 50th birthday one of the gifts I gave him was the matchday programme for that match.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Oct 29, 2015 18:03:14 GMT
I was only eight at the time and was the second season I was watching the Potters. The day was ruined as when we got home to South London we had to go to hospital as my brother had broken an arm.
I have to look to see if I still have that programme!
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Post by maine on Oct 29, 2015 18:14:17 GMT
The odd thing is that the goal by Broadfoot was probably the best of the lot. I was in the Butler st stand and remember him as running more or less from the halfway line, outpacing the defence and then cracking that shot past Leslie. Thanks for the reminder-that was a brilliant performance (except for Lawrie, who was the best of a series of indifferent keepers following the highly competent Jimmy O'Neil)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 29, 2015 18:18:35 GMT
I was at that game. My girlfriend at the time, usually came to games with me and we stood on the Boothen End. She opted not to go that afternoon and was in a vile mood all evening having missed the game to go shopping with her mate.  What struck me as odd about the game was that I had it in my head that Ipswich were a bogy team for some reason - I didn't have any stats to back that opinion up. Anyway - it remains the most goals I have ever seen us score in a competitive match. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 18:21:49 GMT
I was shitting yellow GD |
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Post by dresdendave on Oct 29, 2015 18:25:24 GMT
I bet the whinging twat who sits in front of us in block 25 will blame Wilson for the Ipswich goal!!
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Post by waddosnavy on Oct 29, 2015 18:34:20 GMT
Keith Bebbington scored the 9th goal, he was the only one of the traditional 5 man forward line who had not scored (Dobing 7, Violet 8, Ritchie 9, McIlroy 10, Bebbington 11), and the team
conspired to set him up to get the goal. I think this is the only time all of Stokes forward line has scored in one match.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 29, 2015 18:36:05 GMT
Keith Bebbington scored the 9th goal, he was the only one of the traditional 5 man forward line who had not scored (Dobing 7, Violet 8, Ritchie 9, McIlroy 10, Bebbington 11), and the team conspired to set him up to get the goal. I think this is the only time all of Stokes forward line has scored in one match. I met Bebbington about 10 years back. Although older (obviously) he was still instantly recogniseable as the small nippy winger with a sweet left foot. The years have treated him well he looked fit. He lived in Northwich and was still mates with Eric Skeels. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 18:40:58 GMT
Dont remind me, that was the one and only home game I missed that season!. Great season, think we also had that season those 3 consecutive home games with loads of goals, 4-4 v Burnley, 4-4 v Sheff Wed and 4-1 v Birmingham. John Ritchie was massive every time a cross came over you knew he would be up for it!Happy days.
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 29, 2015 19:21:25 GMT
I was almost certainly there as I never missed a match for years, but I have to admire your recollection as I do not remember it.
However I have to say that Dobing was a very good player.
I went to the infamous semi final at Hillsbough against Arsenal, he was injured and unable to play. With my dad we went into the supporters club pre match and he was there with a pint and smoking a pipe !
I spoke to him and he was very pleasent.
You mention in your post Kinnear. I remember when we signed him. He was A Scot and played his first game (if I remember correctly) in mid week. He was a good centre half.
Was Alf Ramsey managing Ipswich in those days ?
They were good times.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Oct 29, 2015 19:29:10 GMT
I was almost certainly there as I never missed a match for years, but I have to admire your recollection as I do not remember it. However I have to say that Dobing was a very good player. I went to the infamous semi final at Hillsbough against Arsenal, he was injured and unable to play. With my dad we went into the supporters club pre match and he was there with a pint and smoking a pipe ! I spoke to him and he was very pleasent. You mention in your post Kinnear. I remember when we signed him. He was A Scot and played his first game (if I remember correctly) in mid week. He was a good centre half. Was Alf Ramsey managing Ipswich in those days ? They were good times. George Kinnell not Kinnear |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 29, 2015 19:38:45 GMT
I was approaching 9 in late March 1964 and attending St Peter’s School which had moved from a dilapidated building in the grounds of the Church to a vacated building next to the Victoria Ground. It was good for the school to be so closely associated with the club. We used the perimeter of the ground for Sport’s Day. My only sporting triumph was as a member of the Standard IV relay running team. I also recall walking past the ground to see sheep grazing on the ground which for some time I thought I imagined but I have the photograph to prove it and it was not an illusion. Peter Dobing often got a rough ride from the crowd. He was the first in my experience of a long line of Stoke players right through to modern times that antagonised the crowd. There were always allegations that he was “lazy” and not a grafter. He was not a crowd pleaser like others in the teams of the 60s. It might be the diffident rather lofty manner that he exuded. I saw him once walking briskly down Church Street in Stoke. He dressed like a Country Estate Manager , wearing a trilby, tweed jacket and twills and smoking a pipe. Someone told me that Dobing signed his autograph book after a game while puffing away on his favoured ounce of rough shag. Dobing was definitely old school, but he was a very good footballer. A Sentinel reporter on an occasion when Stoke were facing relegation in 1968 and were saved by a superlative performance by Dobing headlined a 3-0 win against Leeds with the headline “The genius of Dobing”. Certainly that genius was on display on a heavy pitch where Stoke entertained a relegation doomed Ipswich. It was not a well attended game. There was the conflicting attraction of the Grand National and the day was rather grey and sunless. However, those that missed the match missed a treat of attacking football from Stoke and woeful defending by the Suffolk team. And like those sheep that were grazing on the turf on the Victoria Ground it was they who were being led to the slaughter. Viollet scored the first in the 2nd minute being the first to react to a ball that had been pushed out by the Ipswich keeper Thorburn saving a diving header from Bebbington. The initial cross having being supplied by Dobing. A few minutes the Bebbington/ Dobing double act worked again when Bebbington crossed from the left. Ritchie let the ball move on to Dobing who cut in and drove the ball passed Thorburn. Ipswich launched a fight back. Baxter came close with a glancing header and in the 19th minute Broadfoot raced in past Kinnell and Asprey blasting his cross come shot into the net after first drawing Leslie out of the Stoke goal. On the 21st minute McIlroy headed brilliantly past the Ipswich keeper to be followed by a 4th a minute before half time when Viollet volleyed past the shell shocked Thorburn. Stoke went into the dressing room with an ovation ringing in their ears. They came out to the second half in the same resolved manner. A fifth came when Viollet prodded home achieving his hat trick when Thorburn could only parry a Dobing shot. The popular Ritchie was next on the score sheet. He had endured a goal drought since January but a fine left foot shot ended that. He got a second and Stoke’s 7th on the 63rd minute. McIlroy made it 8 and then an unnamed Stoke player completed the rout. Perhaps NG who compiled an excellent and well written report of the game had simply got writer’s cramp at this stage. I think that Peter Dobing deserved a second bowl of tobacco after that performance. Oh and the appropriately name Team Spirit came in at 18 to 1 to win the National Went to school there too, then they moved us up to a new school in Penkull, was at the game also, standing on the old Stoke end, did'nt all our forward players score in that game? |
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Post by hoofmagic on Oct 29, 2015 20:25:51 GMT
I missed that match because id just got married, but i backed team spirit , that i never forgot lol
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Post by jukeboxjury on Oct 29, 2015 20:31:36 GMT
I remember it well
I was 11 and walked from May Bank on my own to the ground.
I was turned away from entering the Boothen end but managed to get in the Stoke end
Can still smell the stale piss and fag smoke grom the urinals
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 29, 2015 20:56:29 GMT
I was almost certainly there as I never missed a match for years, but I have to admire your recollection as I do not remember it. However I have to say that Dobing was a very good player. I went to the infamous semi final at Hillsbough against Arsenal, he was injured and unable to play. With my dad we went into the supporters club pre match and he was there with a pint and smoking a pipe ! I spoke to him and he was very pleasent. You mention in your post Kinnear. I remember when we signed him. He was A Scot and played his first game (if I remember correctly) in mid week. He was a good centre half. Was Alf Ramsey managing Ipswich in those days ? They were good times. George Kinnell not Kinnear |
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 29, 2015 20:57:58 GMT
Quite correct. It was along time ago.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Oct 30, 2015 16:57:46 GMT
Could'nt make it, was'nt born tell the 1st April 1964.
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Post by calgarystokie on Oct 30, 2015 20:49:26 GMT
I remember it well. Great day out. I was 10 and went with a group of kids from the St Paul's youth club in Bentilee. The leader, Jim Harper who was a great guy, took us and we sat in the Butler Street stand. Jim bought all the tickets and we sat 2 on a seat!! It was a great game for us all.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2015 21:17:14 GMT
My uncle went every game but missed that one as he was at Aintree...and he also backed team spirit.
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Post by barrypottersot on Oct 30, 2015 21:26:27 GMT
That game was my first ever memory of Stoke City. I remember my grandfather coming home from the match and telling me we had won 9 -1.
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billc
Youth Player
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Post by billc on Oct 30, 2015 23:54:38 GMT
Glad people are enjoying the initial post
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Post by malisastokie on Oct 31, 2015 8:58:10 GMT
I remember the game well as I was 8 and going to school if my memory serves me right at Excalibur school in Alsager.
We would catch the train to Stoke, then my dad would carry me on his shoulders to the ground.
My hero was Lawrie Leslie.
Very fond memories as a year later we emigrated to Australia.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 31, 2015 12:54:01 GMT
Ipswich had won the title two seasons before under Ramsey having been promoted from old Div 2, but once Ramsey was appointed England Manager in 1963, Ipswich went into rapid decline and were relegated at the end of 63-64 season
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Oct 31, 2015 17:17:32 GMT
I was there, another 9-year-old, in the Boothen Paddock with my father.
Dobing was a delightful and skillful footballer with an incredible shot. Look at his goal in the League Cup semi-final replay against West Ham at Old Trafford.
He saved Stoke from relegation with a hat-trick against Leeds Utd. The score was actually 3-2 and I can still remember his goals to this day -- 47 years later. They were that good! The first was one of the best goals I have ever seen. In a different era, it would have been goal of the season by a mile.
Happy days!
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Post by minty1964 on Oct 31, 2015 17:48:09 GMT
I'm sorry I wasn't there but I'm MyStokeBadge's brother :-) he bought me a lot more than that but more than anything....
he brought me this ..
will you bury me under the boothen
will you bury me under the sun
will you bury me under the boothen
HOME WHERE I BEEEEEEEEELONG
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