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Post by mickstupp on Jan 5, 2016 23:43:26 GMT
I don't think he's been great all season. I mean tonight he was really bad but he's not been as good as he was last season which is to be expected and I don't think he's creating enough. He was knackered tonight, which again you'd expect given what he's been through. Agreed, he's done great to recover from such a bad injury so quickly but he's not been a patch on what we saw from him this time last year. Needs to be taken out of the team for a few games.
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Jan 5, 2016 23:50:04 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 5, 2016 23:50:04 GMT
I don't think he's been great all season. I mean tonight he was really bad but he's not been as good as he was last season which is to be expected and I don't think he's creating enough. He was knackered tonight, which again you'd expect given what he's been through. Agreed, he's done great to recover from such a bad injury so quickly but he's not been a patch on what we saw from him this time last year. Needs to be taken out of the team for a few games. I'd go with that. My Brother pointed it out but he looks scared to properly run at people. Which is a worry. And this false 9 shit doesn't suit him.
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Bojan
Jan 5, 2016 23:50:26 GMT
Post by elystokie on Jan 5, 2016 23:50:26 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere about players recovering after a cruciate injury coming back ok and then hitting a slump later, quite common apparently.
I'm sure that's all this is, he'll be back, better than ever.
He just needs to feel the Stokie love again :)
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Bojan
Jan 5, 2016 23:51:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 23:51:33 GMT
If we revert to 4-2-3-1 is he the one that drops out for now???
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Jan 5, 2016 23:54:16 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 5, 2016 23:54:16 GMT
Agreed, he's done great to recover from such a bad injury so quickly but he's not been a patch on what we saw from him this time last year. Needs to be taken out of the team for a few games. I'd go with that. My Brother pointed it out but he looks scared to properly run at people. Which is a worry. And this false 9 shit doesn't suit him. I think it's the only way we can find a place in the team for him without us getting over run in midfield. False nine has worked a treat once or twice, all the other times we've tried it it's been crap.
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Jan 6, 2016 0:26:48 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Jan 6, 2016 0:26:48 GMT
Agreed, he's done great to recover from such a bad injury so quickly but he's not been a patch on what we saw from him this time last year. Needs to be taken out of the team for a few games. I'd go with that. My Brother pointed it out but he looks scared to properly run at people. Which is a worry. And this false 9 shit doesn't suit him. Fuck me there's 2 of you ?
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Jan 6, 2016 0:27:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2016 0:27:33 GMT
I'd go with that. My Brother pointed it out but he looks scared to properly run at people. Which is a worry. And this false 9 shit doesn't suit him. Fuck me there's 2 of you ? He's far more sensible. But this false 9 bollocks clearly isn't working.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2016 0:32:44 GMT
Agreed, he's done great to recover from such a bad injury so quickly but he's not been a patch on what we saw from him this time last year. Needs to be taken out of the team for a few games. I'd go with that. My Brother pointed it out but he looks scared to properly run at people. Which is a worry. And this false 9 shit doesn't suit him. I think that's bollocks.
In recent games against Everton, Man City, he looked just as good as he was before the injury.
He is a player that can't be overplayed though, he looked tired mentally and physically.
And the false 9 thing works sometimes, we just need to know when to change the gameplan
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Bojan
Jan 6, 2016 0:34:38 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Jan 6, 2016 0:34:38 GMT
Fuck me there's 2 of you ? He's far more sensible. But this false 9 bollocks clearly isn't working. The false no 9 has been successful for certain games , good opposition managers will always do their homework though
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Jan 6, 2016 0:38:35 GMT
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Post by luke45 on Jan 6, 2016 0:38:35 GMT
And don't take him to Doncaster, he's looked fatigued and devoid of confidence in the last two games and he needs a few days back in Spain with his family to recharge his batteries physically and mentally. Arsene Wenger has taken a similar approach with Mesut Ozil, it's certainly not affected his form. Disappointing performance tonight but the one positive we can take is that we are still very much in the tie, Liverpool may yet regret not converting those missed opportunities tonight.
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Jan 6, 2016 0:40:49 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Jan 6, 2016 0:40:49 GMT
Good idea.
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Bojan
Jan 6, 2016 0:40:57 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 6, 2016 0:40:57 GMT
I don't think that is the case just good tactics by them denying us space . Bojan had a mare tonight but I that is more about him still getting back to his best after a bad injury . Klopp won the tactical battle hands down which is why our front three of them struggled .
The pressing game when done well can make the very best look average and it worked for them tonight .
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 6, 2016 1:08:58 GMT
Boj is brilliant we are lucky to have a special player like him. Everyone has off days.
That's football it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 1:20:03 GMT
Bad idea. How are the other players who work as hard as Bojan and play even more going to feel if one of their team mates is rewarded with a holiday whilst they have to carry on working?
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Jan 6, 2016 1:31:29 GMT
Post by jzime on Jan 6, 2016 1:31:29 GMT
With all due respect, none of us are in any position to know where Bojan is mentally or what he might or might not need. He was poor tonight, but poor performances happen to the best players in the world. And if Bojan was one of the best in the world he would still be at Barcelona and not here. He'll bounce back, like he did at the start of last season and like he did after such a horrible injury.
He's highly unlikely to feature at Doncaster anyway and I expect to see a lot of squad rotation. If the management team decide he needs some sort of extended break they will make that decision, but I doubt it.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 6, 2016 10:52:56 GMT
With all due respect, none of us are in any position to know where Bojan is mentally or what he might or might not need. He was poor tonight, but poor performances happen to the best players in the world. And if Bojan was one of the best in the world he would still be at Barcelona and not here. He'll bounce back, like he did at the start of last season and like he did after such a horrible injury. He's highly unlikely to feature at Doncaster anyway and I expect to see a lot of squad rotation. If the management team decide he needs some sort of extended break they will make that decision, but I doubt it. Bojan will be as disappointed as the rest of the players, fans and management. As well as an outstanding player, along with Shaqiri , playing and staying at Stoke will help attract other quality players. Bartra being linked with Liverpool this morning ,one of Bojans mates linked with us a while back. Our fans need to stay with the team, even when they underperform
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jan 6, 2016 20:36:27 GMT
Perhaps what we saw last night from Bojan was not entirely surprising and a glimpse of why he didn't cut it at Barcelona, specifically he finds it difficult to perform when there's hype and expectation around him, if you're name is Messi it's a little different.
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Post by Davef on Jan 6, 2016 20:42:07 GMT
Perhaps what we saw last night from Bojan was not entirely surprising and a glimpse of why he didn't cut it at Barcelona, specifically he finds it difficult to perform when there's hype and expectation around him, if you're name is Messi it's a little different. You didn't see Messi's performance in the last World Cup final then.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:51:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 20:51:25 GMT
Bojan was poor last night,that's not in any doubt,but some of the talk on here is typical of the over the top bullshit that is spouted after every defeat.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jan 6, 2016 20:57:28 GMT
Perhaps what we saw last night from Bojan was not entirely surprising and a glimpse of why he didn't cut it at Barcelona, specifically he finds it difficult to perform when there's hype and expectation around him, if you're name is Messi it's a little different. You didn't see Messi's performance in the last World Cup final then. Well Messi found the expectation of emulating what one D Maradona had done previously too heavy to bear.
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Jan 6, 2016 21:29:10 GMT
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 6, 2016 21:29:10 GMT
Fuck him off back to Spain for a long weekend with his family to relax and recharge the batteries, he'll be good as gold for Norwich.
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Jan 6, 2016 22:25:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 22:25:39 GMT
You didn't see Messi's performance in the last World Cup final then. Well Messi found the expectation of emulating what one D Maradona had done previously too heavy to bear. Cheating?
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Jan 7, 2016 12:47:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:47:38 GMT
Is that his first full winter of English football? We didn't have a cup semi final last yearr either. He's probably just exhausted.
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Jan 13, 2016 23:02:48 GMT
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Post by whydelilah on Jan 13, 2016 23:02:48 GMT
Poor tonight. Looked lost.
It's just a blip though. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
Poor tonight. Looked lost. It's just a blip though. Form is temporary, class is permanent. He is really struggling at the moment. Really struggling. I've long been of the opinion that he's our best player, returning from injury, and we play him every game for as long as he can manage. I would, however, be very very tempted to leave him out against Arsenal on Sunday. He simply isn't playing well enough, he's playing far too deep to influence things and he isn't doing anywhere near enough to influence games in the key area of the pitch that we need him. I wonder if he's actually packed on too much muscle as part of his recovery. He looks a tad heavy legged to me and less light on his feet than he was pre-injury. As we did last season, we just have to be patient with him. A crowd reaction second half, when he took a throw in, actually put him off as well. As the ball went back to him, he was receiving the ball whilst looking at the crowd to see what the panic or exasperated cries were. He certainly isn't at one with himself at the moment.
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Jan 13, 2016 23:17:16 GMT
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 13, 2016 23:17:16 GMT
Totally agree about him struggling and I'm beginning to think the transfer rumours may have unsettled him.He was not happy at all about being subbed and when his mate Joselu scored he hardly celebrated which I found very surprising.
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2016 23:17:39 GMT
Poor tonight. Looked lost. It's just a blip though. Form is temporary, class is permanent. He is really struggling at the moment. Really struggling. I've long been of the opinion that he's our best player, returning from injury, and we play him every game for as long as he can manage. I would, however, be very very tempted to leave him out against Arsenal on Sunday. He simply isn't playing well enough, he's playing far too deep to influence things and he isn't doing anywhere near enough to influence games in the key area of the pitch that we need him. I wonder if he's actually packed on too much muscle as part of his recovery. He looks a tad heavy legged to me and less light on his feet than he was pre-injury. As we did last season, we just have to be patient with him. A crowd reaction second half, when he took a throw in, actually put him off as well. As the ball went back to him, he was receiving the ball whilst looking at the crowd to see what the panic or exasperated cries were. He certainly isn't at one with himself at the moment. Lack of a proper pre-season is catching up with him. Makes you wonder if Shaqiri's problems aren't down to that as well. And I think Ryan may be also suffering a bit for similar reasons.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 13, 2016 23:18:48 GMT
He looked thoroughly disinterested to me which is more concerning than some bad form. When he loses the ball he makes zero effort to get back and cover.
Not sure why hes allowed such special treatment in the squad. Even Shaqiri is putting in the work-rate off the ball
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2016 23:18:55 GMT
Poor tonight. Looked lost. It's just a blip though. Form is temporary, class is permanent. He is really struggling at the moment. Really struggling. I've long been of the opinion that he's our best player, returning from injury, and we play him every game for as long as he can manage. I would, however, be very very tempted to leave him out against Arsenal on Sunday. He simply isn't playing well enough, he's playing far too deep to influence things and he isn't doing anywhere near enough to influence games in the key area of the pitch that we need him. I wonder if he's actually packed on too much muscle as part of his recovery. He looks a tad heavy legged to me and less light on his feet than he was pre-injury. As we did last season, we just have to be patient with him. A crowd reaction second half, when he took a throw in, actually put him off as well. As the ball went back to him, he was receiving the ball whilst looking at the crowd to see what the panic or exasperated cries were. He certainly isn't at one with himself at the moment. I'd play him Sunday just because of the nightmares he gave them just over a year ago here in that peerless performance. They'll be worried about him that's for sure.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 13, 2016 23:21:08 GMT
Didn't think he was that bad tbh.
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