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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 9, 2015 14:48:19 GMT
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The NHS
Oct 9, 2015 14:57:04 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 9, 2015 14:57:04 GMT
The NHS is shit . I'm sure some with disgrace because they have had good experiences but they are in the minority. I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa The nhs isn't for for purpose any more sadly |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 15:36:08 GMT
it's not shit....more like looking poor.....it's just not built to cope with the sort of demand being thrown at it these days
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 9, 2015 15:49:20 GMT
I use it a lot with my two boys my local hospital is brilliant . The follow up care is faultless
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 9, 2015 16:11:39 GMT
The NHS is a wonderful service. It has many many wonderful dedicated health professionals working in it.
It is also overloaded, and massively inefficient. Bloated in some areas and far far too trim in others. Obviously, you shouldn't have any health service running anywhere near 100% capacity all the time, but the service just doesn't work well in many areas.
The problem is that any overhaul tends to be fraught with far too many problems...
Politicians driving decisions based on ideological grounds - rather than on delivering value for money good healthcare.
Any change means that some will gain and some will lose. There's too many powerbases (unions, patients, middle managers) to allow change to be successfully delivered.
The organisation is just so damn huge.
The other massive problem with the NHS is their Mental Health care. The lack of provision is shocking - something that caused a lot of promises during the election. Not certain anything has actually happened though?
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 9, 2015 18:19:38 GMT
...I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa... The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. |
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The NHS
Oct 9, 2015 18:20:32 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 9, 2015 18:20:32 GMT
...I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa... The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. Labour supporters are the biggest hypocrites out the lot so I disagree . Your just jealous because you can't afford bupa  |
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 9, 2015 18:38:10 GMT
...I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa... The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. ...every thread and you bring UKIP up. FFS |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 9, 2015 19:10:39 GMT
...I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa... The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. Thing is though mate, someone may be on BUPA but they still have to pay for the NHS. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 19:17:02 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 9, 2015 19:46:06 GMT
...I support the nhs and hope one day it improves but untill it does I'm staying with bupa... The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. What has the UK leaving the EU have to do with somebody wanting to choose BUPA? |
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Post by pearo on Oct 9, 2015 21:48:48 GMT
Both my parents are nearly 80 and in the past 18 months have been in hospital . The staff on the wards are in the main excellent, empathetic and supportive. The main problem in my experience is the follow up care when my parents have returned home. As they require care from different elements of the NHS no one seems to want to take ownership of my parents treatment, which leads to frustration for them and annoyance for me as I spend hours on the phone being shunted from health care to social care just trying to get someone to assess my parents needs and give them the attention they require.
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 9, 2015 21:52:39 GMT
It's all part of the plan. Controlled demolition.
Under fund and demoralise the staff until the cracks start to show.....then tell the public it's not fit for purpose....... then sell it off to your mates in the city.
The NHS is brilliant and you will miss it massively when it's gone.
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The NHS
Oct 9, 2015 22:12:49 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 9, 2015 22:12:49 GMT
Correct . People shouldn't be using it unless they contribute to it (with the odd exception) . It's shit these days and that's a shame |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 9, 2015 23:52:51 GMT
They always seem to find the odd few hundred thousand to pay off the wasters at the top when they pack it in voluntarily.
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 9, 2015 23:58:45 GMT
The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. Thing is though mate, someone may be on BUPA but they still have to pay for the NHS. Too right they should. Therein lies the hypocritical Gedney Grover. Next thing you know we'll have the ex-N40, fat head, UKIP cannon-fodder complaining about police numbers as well as the NHS. Still, each to their own. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 10, 2015 0:02:22 GMT
They always seem to find the odd few hundred thousand to pay off the wasters at the top when they pack it in voluntarily. Of course. It's the rule of senior management in all large organisations: Do OK or well and you get really well rewarded. Mess up, and you get well rewarded for leaving. Strange how the rules don't apply to others in the same organisations. But then again, remind me who makes the rules? |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 10, 2015 0:06:15 GMT
Whether we like it or not, all this shit started when Thatcher introduced trusts to run things as opposed to when they had consultant management which provided that medical knowledge. Once you put freeloaders in charge of other peoples money you soon find out how quickly things change.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 10, 2015 0:08:21 GMT
Thing is though mate, someone may be on BUPA but they still have to pay for the NHS. Too fucking right they should. Therein lies the hypocritical Gedney Grover. Next thing you know we'll have the ex-N40, fat head, UKIP cannon-fodder complaining about police numbers as well as the NHS. Still, each to their own. Just a quick update on Derrida's posts: 841 posts made. 839 posts mention/having a go at UKIP. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 0:10:49 GMT
Too fucking right they should. Therein lies the hypocritical Gedney Grover. Next thing you know we'll have the ex-N40, fat head, UKIP cannon-fodder complaining about police numbers as well as the NHS. Still, each to their own. Just a quick update on Derrida's posts: 841 posts made. 839 posts mention/having a go at UKIP. |
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The NHS
Oct 10, 2015 0:10:21 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 0:10:21 GMT
The hypocrisy of UKIP in one sentence. What has the UK leaving the EU have to do with somebody wanting to choose BUPA? And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I wouldn't bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled |
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Post by slother on Oct 10, 2015 0:14:57 GMT
It's all part of the plan. Controlled demolition. Under fund and demoralise the staff until the cracks start to show.....then tell the public it's not fit for purpose....... then sell it off to your mates in the city. The NHS is brilliant and you will miss it massively when it's gone. This. This. This. This. This! Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards |
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 0:15:33 GMT
What has the UK leaving the EU have to do with somebody wanting to choose BUPA? And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I would bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled Hmm. That foreign muck Stella beer was it? |
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Post by manmarking on Oct 10, 2015 1:00:54 GMT
What has the UK leaving the EU have to do with somebody wanting to choose BUPA? And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I would bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled Great post, owned him, bravo, can't argue with that, thumbs up. Oh no, wait a minute, it's complete drivel that makes literally no sense on any level. |
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The NHS
Oct 10, 2015 8:20:25 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 8:20:25 GMT
And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I would bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled Great post, owned him, bravo, can't argue with that, thumbs up. Oh no, wait a minute, it's complete drivel that makes literally no sense on any level. Not surprised that you don't get it ;-) |
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The NHS
Oct 10, 2015 8:20:53 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 8:20:53 GMT
And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I would bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled Hmm. That foreign muck Stella beer was it? Only Grantham ;-) |
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Post by jssandbach on Oct 10, 2015 9:55:18 GMT
And because I'm paying for it ill make sure I get my money's worth as well on principle . I pay for it because I'm forced to or I would bother , not untill it gets sorted out and people who haven't contributed stop being entitled Great post, owned him, bravo, can't argue with that, thumbs up. Oh no, wait a minute, it's complete drivel that makes literally no sense on any level. So very predictable Try again Thumbs down |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 10, 2015 9:55:52 GMT
Whatever else the NHS is, I'd argue it is a money pit. with all the dangers that entails. So we shouldn't be surprised it is continually in one crisis or another. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 10, 2015 10:26:17 GMT
What a sad state of affairs we are in when the pubic follow the right wing mantra and bash the NHS. We are all stake holders in the NHS and its very sad that it is used as a political pawn. The NHS was set up to protect us all and the constitution means that it is free at the point of access. The reasons that it is beong portrayed as failing is that so your big business chums of the leading MPs can buy it off bit by bit on the cheap with the full backing of the layman general pubic. Is the NHS in its current carnation failing? A little, is it fit for purpous? Not with the current direction politics is taking it. Is it underfunded? Like every public sector - absolutley. The answer is simple, increase funding via taxes (and not to pay staff more) but to provide more staff/equipment and services. Its a joke, the numbers of x billion this y billion that the truth is its being killed by under investment/sly privitisation. Some members of the public also abuse the system, i jave seen time and again crutches and such things for sale on facebook but all this costs a fortune. We are all stakeholders in the NHS and we should all be trting to protect it. Once its gone its gone forever, i have a friend in Ameriaca he has to pat $40 just to get an appointment with a dr, does he get ant better care or quicker? No not at all. Take a look at the French model, nearly 40% of earnings are taken back in the form of taxes, but tax is unpopular so this will never happen, welcome to generation im alright jack.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 10, 2015 10:47:24 GMT
What a sad state of affairs we are in when the pubic follow the right wing mantra and bash the NHS. We are all stake holders in the NHS and its very sad that it is used as a political pawn. The NHS was set up to protect us all and the constitution means that it is free at the point of access. The reasons that it is beong portrayed as failing is that so your big business chums of the leading MPs can buy it off bit by bit on the cheap with the full backing of the layman general pubic. Is the NHS in its current carnation failing? A little, is it fit for purpous? Not with the current direction politics is taking it. Is it underfunded? Like every public sector - absolutley. The answer is simple, increase funding via taxes (and not to pay staff more) but to provide more staff/equipment and services. Its a joke, the numbers of x billion this y billion that the truth is its being killed by under investment/sly privitisation. Some members of the public also abuse the system, i jave seen time and again crutches and such things for sale on facebook but all this costs a fortune. We are all stakeholders in the NHS and we should all be trting to protect it. Once its gone its gone forever, i have a friend in Ameriaca he has to pat $40 just to get an appointment with a dr, does he get ant better care or quicker? No not at all. Take a look at the French model, nearly 40% of earnings are taken back in the form of taxes, but tax is unpopular so this will never happen, welcome to generation im alright jack. Ok, so people who use the NHS as health tourists cost around 1.8 bn a year. If anyone questions this they are put down by the very same people who complain when the NHS struggles finacially. You cant have it both ways and its ok to call those who oppose it right wingers but those who back it and object to anyone pulling the government up about it are simply using a left wing mantra. Theres no common sense in any form of public service any more. Every waste of money fucks up the system whatever it is and these health tourists are the ones stealing from all of us. Those that use retirement to get a fat pay off and then get employed again a short time after are stealing from us. As for Privatisation, thats been creeping in for years and its not unique to one political mantra. Its not just the NHS. Any body that gets funded by compulsory taxation, whether it be local authorities, the civil service or even the BBC have no priorities for the services they are being paid to provide. They get this wad of cash every year guaranteed and so its able to waste it as next year another fat cheque will come through the post. |
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