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Post by StaffordPotter on Oct 8, 2015 18:30:17 GMT
Why not clap before or after the game? I agree I'm not convinced about the idea of turning every game into a memorial service. It's a big no no for after the games. Most people bugger off after 80 minutes.
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Post by manmarking on Oct 8, 2015 19:05:02 GMT
Why not clap before or after the game? I agree I'm not convinced about the idea of turning every game into a memorial service. It's a big no no for after the games. Most people bugger off after 80 minutes. Yeah I see what you're saying. Maybe there's a way of incorporating it into some other part of the matchday. I think it's a nice gesture and all but maybe would become a bit bizarre if we did it every week in the middle of the game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 8, 2015 21:42:52 GMT
Others have said it above and I agree...The tribute that the club do on the last home fixture of the Calendar year is the most fitting tribute one could have. Everyone is watching out for it, everyone understands what it is about and it touches people who haven't lost anyone. At that moment, the feeling that we truly are one big family, tied by a passionate love of the same football club, can't fail to tug at the heart strings.
It's prompted a tear in my eye every time and my mind always thinks back to my own dad, who I lost in Cup Final season, and wonders whether all those dear departed Stokies are watching from their own Boothen End in the sky.
Sad though the young Jordan Burndred's death is (I can't for one minute imagine how his parents must feel) I don't think a minutes applause during the game is either fitting or appropriate. I have no problem clapping myself but often I have no idea what or who I'm clapping for and that, to me at least, doesn't really feel like a genuine paying of respect. I've always thought it has a tendency to fall flat as well, and sadly, for the first time I can remember, such a thing did fall flat on its arse during the Villa game.
A 17th minute round of applause was planned for young Jordan but that happened to the be the minute when Charlie attempted another audacious shot from inside his own half. The excitement that attempt caused, followed by the subsequent corner meant that not one single person remembered to clap for Jordan on the 17th minute. What followed was a fairly half arsed applause in the 18th minute that had everyone joining in after about 18 minutes 40 seconds when people remembered what they were supposed to be clapping for in the first place.
The applause was secondary to the game when in reality, a true tribute by people who genuinely care about what is happening, wouldn't be secondary to anything.
For me, the best tribute available is the one that the club orchestrate already. It is fitting, it is very emotional, the applause is heartfelt and any tears are genuine ones borne of being genuinely touched by what people have seen on that big screen in the corner of the stadium.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2015 21:54:32 GMT
Others have said it above and I agree...The tribute that the club do on the last home fixture of the Calendar year is the most fitting tribute one could have. Everyone is watching out for it, everyone understands what it is about and it touches people who haven't lost anyone. At that moment, the feeling that we truly are one big family, tied by a passionate love of the same football club, can't fail to tug at the heart strings. It's prompted a tear in my eye every time and my mind always thinks back to my own dad, who I lost in Cup Final season, and wonders whether all those dear departed Stokies are watching from their own Boothen End in the sky. Sad though the young Jordan Burndred's death is (I can't for one minute imagine how his parents must feel) I don't think a minutes applause during the game is either fitting or appropriate. I have no problem clapping myself but often I have no idea what or who I'm clapping for and that, to me at least, doesn't really feel like a genuine paying of respect. I've always thought it has a tendency to fall flat as well, and sadly, for the first time I can remember, such a thing did fall flat on its arse during the Villa game. A 17th minute round of applause was planned for young Jordan but that happened to the be the minute when Charlie attempted another audacious shot from inside his own half. The excitement that attempt caused, followed by the subsequent corner meant that not one single person remembered to clap for Jordan on the 17th minute. What followed was a fairly half arsed applause in the 18th minute that had everyone joining in after about 18 minutes 40 seconds when people remembered what they were supposed to be clapping for in the first place. The applause was secondary to the game when in reality, a true tribute by people who genuinely care about what is happening, wouldn't be secondary to anything. For me, the best tribute available is the one that the club orchestrate already. It is fitting, it is very emotional, the applause is heartfelt and any tears are genuine ones borne of being genuinely touched by what people have seen on that big screen in the corner of the stadium. Great summary. The yearly tribute has never not brought me to tears...
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Post by prudhoe on Oct 8, 2015 21:56:31 GMT
Anything that brings an end to all these minutes applause for every man and his dog is a yes from me. Ex players/managers/club staff who made a big contribution to the club should get a minutes silence/applause. All supporters should be on the scoreboard on new years day. Otherwise we end up with this situation where one supporters life is deemed to be worth more than anothers. I bet you that this season we will have more minutes applause for fans than last season, which was probably more than the season before. Where will this end? clapping EVERY time a fan dies? I can't ever remember clapping for any fan's death at the Victoria Ground. Why do we do it now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 23:08:06 GMT
No disrespect but doesn't everyone clap in the wrong minute anyway? If the applause was planned for the 25th minute people usually clap when the clock hits 25:00 but that's the beginning of the 26th minute.
Love the idea of the song on the 12th minute (11:00) every week, would only add to the atmosphere as well as being a fitting tribute to those who have passed. Family members could request we remember their loved ones during the song.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 9, 2015 3:53:34 GMT
No disrespect but doesn't everyone clap in the wrong minute anyway? If the applause was planned for the 25th minute people usually clap when the clock hits 25:00 but that's the beginning of the 26th minute. Love the idea of the song on the 12th minute (11:00) every week, would only add to the atmosphere as well as being a fitting tribute to those who have passed. Family members could request we remember their loved ones during the song. The club could put the names of the loved ones on the big screen on the 12th minute maybe?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 9, 2015 5:43:12 GMT
I agree with someone above, minutes applause durring matches should only be for Stoke players/managers. We had all this clapping for everyone a few seasons back & it started to get right out-of-hand (At one stage it turned out we were clapping for someone who'd died about 5 months previously in the summer!) thankfully it all got knocked on the head but now it's back again. "Oh but it ment so much to their family" Why? Why did a bunch of people who didn't know whoever it was clapping mean so much? It's like everyone wants to be a celebrity & feel like they are important & matter to everyone else. When I die do you know what I want you all do on whatever minute it is? Watch the fucking match & cheer the lads on like usual! You never even know who you're clapping for, all you get is some Facebook post off such & such's sister or whatever, "Oh he was such a lovely lad, he loved Stoke, it'd mean loads if you clapped". For all we know he could have been a druggie who battered his wife senseless every Friday when he got home from the pub. Then there's all the "What if's".... What if the opposition score just as we start clapping? Do we carry on clapping? Do we start tell the opposition player to "Fuck off you wanker" and then clap in the next minute instead? What if the ref has just right shafted us & we're in full-on "Booooo you wanker" mode? That's going sound nice durring the 'minutes applause' inna it. It's all a load of shit for me, just have the 'Those we've loved & lost' at the same time as everyone else. New Years Day (Or the home game closest to) spot on. That gets devalued by stuff going on through the season. I love acker bilk too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 6:01:54 GMT
Having read the OP and all the mainly positive comments my thoughts are it is a brilliant idea to have a generic tribute at each game. Sadly it is inevitable that someone who is either a fan, or connected with the club will die each week, simple fact of life. Now some are more high profile, the tragic case of the young lad from Biddulph has made national news, and his families grief is felt by us all, but their grief is no more severe than the family of any other deceased person who hasn't made the news, and have not made their loss public, so yes, a generic tribute ticks all the boxes, and if on top of that people want to try to organise a minutes applause then that's fine, and if I were there I'd happily join in.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 9, 2015 6:25:11 GMT
Spot on James. The club do have a specific game when they show photos on the big screen - think it is New Years Day - of all those who have passed away during the last year. This is the best way and everyone gets the same send off. Yeah that's very classy and the best way
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Post by mrred on Oct 9, 2015 8:24:18 GMT
My friend had a minutes applause at the Bournemouth game. It meant a hell of a lot to his family and friends to see the stadium join in on the 28th minute. I will also be clapping on the 17th minute against Watford for that poor lad that died of a heart attack. It's a minute of respect to give a little comfort to fellow Stoke supporters in their worst hours of grieving. I honestly find it utterly mind boggling that some people can't take one minute out of their life to do something as simple like stand up and clap in tribute to a lost soul. I mean absolutely no disrespect to your friend, or any other that have sadly passed for that matter. But do you think it's right that some people get recognition, whilst the majority don't? How many people do we see on here that have had their Mother or Father, or other members of their family pass, but we don't have a minutes applause / silence for everyone, nor should we (as harsh as that sounds). My Nan is the biggest Stoke fan I know, she's never lost faith and is always enthusiastic about our chances. She's been a Stoke fan since the late 60's when my Grandad moved the family down to work in the pits. Hopefully she's got a great many years in front of her. But when that day comes when she's not here, I don't expect the ground to applaud. As I and others have said, the video that's played on New Years day is quite sobering for everyone in the ground. Everyone knows what it is and it brings the whole ground (away fans included) together just for a few minutes. Even with James' suggestion, I think even that may eventually undervalue the meaning. It's getting quite close to the kind of sentimentality that Liverpool get mocked for.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Oct 9, 2015 14:25:06 GMT
Another idea why not have a photo and dedication just before kick off on the score board?
Eg. This match is dedicated to the memory of Joe Blogs Fred Smith Etc
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Oct 9, 2015 14:27:03 GMT
Another idea why not have a photo and dedication just before kick off on the score board? Eg. This match is dedicated to the memory of Joe Blogs Fred Smith Etc And just for clarity Joe Blogs and Fred Smith have not passed away to my knowledge
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 9, 2015 15:57:18 GMT
The new year one needs to be improved by having the players on the centre circle joining in just before kick-off. Perhaps then it would have enough importance to stem the tide of having them at every game.
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Post by Northy on Oct 9, 2015 16:20:45 GMT
I've said my part on this not so long ago, but I agree. A great number of people in the ground haven't got a clue what they're clapping for. As tragic as it is, no one person passing should have more importance than another. Having that piece on New Years Day is far more poignant and having that time just to reflect is far more powerful than having half the stadium not knowing what's going on. I agree, I hadn't a clue what the clapping at the Bournemouth game was for, the New Years day piece is very poignant. I'm sure last season we were being asked to clap at 2 or 3 different times at one match.
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Post by Northy on Oct 9, 2015 16:26:06 GMT
Here are some of my thoughts. Apologies if it offends anyone, but I think it's quite a good idea. A good song on the 12th minute at every match is a better idea than randomly clapping at different matches
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 9, 2015 17:53:32 GMT
Once a year is the absolute maximum it should be. Most people have no idea what the random clapping is for. Stoke City is a football club inothing more and it seems a very odd view of what people have achieved in their lives if the football club is that important. I don't understand how applause from people with no knowledge of the individual matters that much
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 9, 2015 18:52:39 GMT
I often wonder what happened to the old fashioned value of grief being a very private matter.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 9, 2015 19:04:29 GMT
The new year one needs to be improved by having the players on the centre circle joining in just before kick-off. Perhaps then it would have enough importance to stem the tide of having them at every game. What a stupid idea. You're honestly suggesting that the Arsenal/Everton/Newcastle/whoever the fuck we're playing team should stand there & clap for all the Stoke fans who've died that year? Or is it just our team you want to clap? Inwhich case what are the opposition doing? Kicking the ball around in the other half to keep warm? Or do they have to stay in the tunnel or dressing room? Why not tell them not bother making the trip to the Britannia at all & instead we'll just get everyone in Stoke-on-Trent to pack out the ground & clap for everyone who's died that year. ..... And we somehow have the nerve to take the piss out of Liverpool for this kind of shit.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 9, 2015 20:57:23 GMT
People tend not to clap when they don't know who its for. You can't blame them. Its not harsh. Needs to be another way
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Post by Northy on Oct 9, 2015 21:00:57 GMT
I often wonder what happened to the old fashioned value of grief being a very private matter. It's a bit like these shrines that appear on roadsides, isn't that what graves are for?
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Post by pottermouth on Oct 10, 2015 0:43:18 GMT
Football matches should be just that...football matches. Any death is very sad. We should pay our respects however we wish but not use public events to jump on a bandwaggon.i wish the disproportionate applauses would stop. They only happen because someone shouts. What about those who pass on who dont get a chance to be shouted about? I find it a nauseating experience to applaud something I know nothing about,
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Post by desman2 on Oct 10, 2015 1:09:16 GMT
At some point a goal will be scored during one of these tributes and it'll come to an abrupt end. Although i understand why people want to do it, at some point it will get disrupted by something on the pitch.
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Post by mozzer on Oct 10, 2015 10:26:37 GMT
It has to stop, it is getting ridiculous of late.
I am getting a tadge pissed off with it all if I have to be honest, one of the reasons I enjoy going to football is to escape the humdrum events of every day life, I now have to suffer what has become a weekly clap on a certain minute to remember some ones passing who I have never heard of before, a very sad time for the family and friends of the deceased but in all fairness nothing to do with anyone else if they don't know them or have even heard of them.
Who decides the people who are worthy and who are not, if they played for the club or are a national footballing icon then yes lets show respect for the work and enjoyment they showed to the club/game that we follow, anyone else should be remembered by the circle of family and friends of the deceased then if the family so wish they can be shown on the screen at new year for the greater community of the game to remember/applaud.
Yes I may be a miserable old bastard but lets see how many would stand and clap my time if it comes around for the last 40 odd years of support, its not like you can turn over a channel if you don't want it, you have to stand or miss a minute of the game whilst every one else is standing.
Enough is enough in my view, its a footy match not an obituary column.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 11:16:34 GMT
Here are some of my thoughts. Apologies if it offends anyone, but I think it's quite a good idea. Agreed
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 11:19:09 GMT
It's not hard just to clap for a minute is it But who is worthy of a clap and who isn't? Sometimes a tweet will go round and it will gain enough exposure for the applause to occur, sometimes it doesn't. How soul destroying must it be to lose a member of your family and try to get a 'minutes applause' and it doesn't happen - but then maybe in the same game there will be an applause for someone else. I have seen many of these campaigns for a minute's clap, be unsuccessful. Also I have been completely unaware of some of the ones that do occur. We are all Stokies, lets stop differentiating and applauding some, but not others. The New Year remembrance is the best way, but also maybe a family requires more immediate comfort, so a chorus of WBWY every match on 12 mins would provide this. My sentiments exactly. Well said
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 11:25:56 GMT
I agree with someone above, minutes applause durring matches should only be for Stoke players/managers. We had all this clapping for everyone a few seasons back & it started to get right out-of-hand (At one stage it turned out we were clapping for someone who'd died about 5 months previously in the summer!) thankfully it all got knocked on the head but now it's back again. "Oh but it ment so much to their family" Why? Why did a bunch of people who didn't know whoever it was clapping mean so much? It's like everyone wants to be a celebrity & feel like they are important & matter to everyone else. When I die do you know what I want you all do on whatever minute it is? Watch the fucking match & cheer the lads on like usual! You never even know who you're clapping for, all you get is some Facebook post off such & such's sister or whatever, "Oh he was such a lovely lad, he loved Stoke, it'd mean loads if you clapped". For all we know he could have been a druggie who battered his wife senseless every Friday when he got home from the pub. Then there's all the "What if's".... What if the opposition score just as we start clapping? Do we carry on clapping? Do we start tell the opposition player to "Fuck off you wanker" and then clap in the next minute instead? What if the ref has just right shafted us & we're in full-on "Booooo you wanker" mode? That's going sound nice durring the 'minutes applause' inna it. It's all a load of shit for me, just have the 'Those we've loved & lost' at the same time as everyone else. New Years Day (Or the home game closest to) Everyone is desperate to be seen as the "nice guy" that cares about every one else including strangers when I'm reality most people aren't bothered . Sounds harsh and I mean no offense what so ever when I say that and I can sympathise with the persons family but when all has been said and done that's life and people die all the time and unless I know them personally I don't feel too much anguish . No one is more important and worthy of a clap than any one else . If we clapped Everytime a stoke fan died we'd be clapping for the full 90 mins . I pay my respects in my own way and that's good enough for me
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 10, 2015 11:27:53 GMT
I agree with someone above, minutes applause durring matches should only be for Stoke players/managers. We had all this clapping for everyone a few seasons back & it started to get right out-of-hand (At one stage it turned out we were clapping for someone who'd died about 5 months previously in the summer!) thankfully it all got knocked on the head but now it's back again. "Oh but it ment so much to their family" Why? Why did a bunch of people who didn't know whoever it was clapping mean so much? It's like everyone wants to be a celebrity & feel like they are important & matter to everyone else. When I die do you know what I want you all do on whatever minute it is? Watch the fucking match & cheer the lads on like usual! You never even know who you're clapping for, all you get is some Facebook post off such & such's sister or whatever, "Oh he was such a lovely lad, he loved Stoke, it'd mean loads if you clapped". For all we know he could have been a druggie who battered his wife senseless every Friday when he got home from the pub. Then there's all the "What if's".... What if the opposition score just as we start clapping? Do we carry on clapping? Do we start tell the opposition player to "Fuck off you wanker" and then clap in the next minute instead? What if the ref has just right shafted us & we're in full-on "Booooo you wanker" mode? That's going sound nice durring the 'minutes applause' inna it. It's all a load of shit for me, just have the 'Those we've loved & lost' at the same time as everyone else. New Years Day (Or the home game closest to) Unbelievable. Try lighten up and enjoy yourself once in a while. You might like it. I disagree with a great deal of what he says on here but I think he's spot on with this one . I know it sounds harsh but we shouldn't be singling people out . Imagine of one of yours died and didn't get a clap when some other stranger did .
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 10, 2015 11:46:52 GMT
I think the 12th man idea is brilliant- much better than the situation we have now, where we could end up clapping for an entire 90 minutes to honour the deaths of 90 strangers. I know that sounds harsh but unless I actually knew the person who died, their passing means nothing to me. And why would it? Hundreds of people die every second of every day all over the world; it's sad for everyone who knew that person but means nothing to anyone else other than reminding us of our own mortality.
When I die I'd like to think that people who knew me might show their faces at my funeral and say something nice etc, but I don't expect anyone else to give a flying fuck.
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 10, 2015 12:09:45 GMT
It's a bit like these shrines that appear on roadsides, isn't that what graves are for? I've always thought that 'Police Incident' is a stupid name for a roadside florist.
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