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Post by knowles on Oct 8, 2015 10:02:45 GMT
Here are some of my thoughts. Apologies if it offends anyone, but I think it's quite a good idea.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 8, 2015 10:54:10 GMT
Here are some of my thoughts. Apologies if it offends anyone, but I think it's quite a good idea. Brilliant idea knowles, really hope it catches on mate (bravo)
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 8, 2015 11:26:46 GMT
I agree with this, honour everyone, not just those who are most tragic/receive most publicity.
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Post by superstokiesimo on Oct 8, 2015 11:48:01 GMT
It's not hard just to clap for a minute is it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:48:19 GMT
Here are some of my thoughts. Apologies if it offends anyone, but I think it's quite a good idea. Fantastic idea, and as you say, stops some folks looking gormless as to what we are clapping for.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Oct 8, 2015 12:03:18 GMT
Spot on James.
The club do have a specific game when they show photos on the big screen - think it is New Years Day - of all those who have passed away during the last year. This is the best way and everyone gets the same send off.
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Post by muglump on Oct 8, 2015 12:43:42 GMT
Stoke fans can't clap individually for everyone that dies who supports Stoke it would be too much
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2015 13:33:08 GMT
We do it every year at new years, I don't see why it has to change.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 8, 2015 13:38:58 GMT
Having recently lost our brother in law, and Stoke regular, I think and sure rest of our family will agree it's a great idea.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Oct 8, 2015 14:02:45 GMT
I'm not sure if that would "lessen" the impact or poignancy of what we are trying to achieve. without wishing to sound heartless, unless it is a former player or a significant club member (manager, chairman, nello etc) then i think it would be more appropriate to have a remembrance section for all those who have died during the last home game of the season.This could be during the 10 minute run up to kick off or during halftime. Pictures and such like could be used on the screen with some accompanying music. I think this would be more reflective and would would give a context on how many of our loved ones "in red and white" we have lost.
As nice as it is, at the risk of being cold hearted, we seem to be applauding people more and more frequently and it almost becomes an expectation rather than exception.
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Post by mrred on Oct 8, 2015 14:33:16 GMT
I've said my part on this not so long ago, but I agree. A great number of people in the ground haven't got a clue what they're clapping for. As tragic as it is, no one person passing should have more importance than another. Having that piece on New Years Day is far more poignant and having that time just to reflect is far more powerful than having half the stadium not knowing what's going on.
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 8, 2015 14:50:55 GMT
I'm not sure if that would "lessen" the impact or poignancy of what we are trying to achieve. without wishing to sound heartless, unless it is a former player or a significant club member (manager, chairman, nello etc) then i think it would be more appropriate to have a remembrance section for all those who have died during the last home game of the season.This could be during the 10 minute run up to kick off or during halftime. Pictures and such like could be used on the screen with some accompanying music. I think this would be more reflective and would would give a context on how many of our loved ones "in red and white" we have lost. As nice as it is, at the risk of being cold hearted, we seem to be applauding people more and more frequently and it almost becomes an expectation rather than exception. This is already done around New Year time.
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 8, 2015 14:56:52 GMT
It's not hard just to clap for a minute is it But who is worthy of a clap and who isn't? Sometimes a tweet will go round and it will gain enough exposure for the applause to occur, sometimes it doesn't. How soul destroying must it be to lose a member of your family and try to get a 'minutes applause' and it doesn't happen - but then maybe in the same game there will be an applause for someone else. I have seen many of these campaigns for a minute's clap, be unsuccessful. Also I have been completely unaware of some of the ones that do occur. We are all Stokies, lets stop differentiating and applauding some, but not others. The New Year remembrance is the best way, but also maybe a family requires more immediate comfort, so a chorus of WBWY every match on 12 mins would provide this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 15:10:16 GMT
It's not hard just to clap for a minute is it But who is worthy of a clap and who isn't? Sometimes a tweet will go round and it will gain enough exposure for the applause to occur, sometimes it doesn't. How soul destroying must it be to lose a member of your family and try to get a 'minutes applause' and it doesn't happen - but then maybe in the same game there will be an applause for someone else. I have seen many of these campaigns for a minute's clap, be unsuccessful. Also I have been completely unaware of some of the ones that do occur. We are all Stokies, lets stop differentiating and applauding some, but not others. The New Year remembrance is the best way, but also maybe a family requires more immediate comfort, so a chorus of WBWY every match on 12 mins would provide this. I agree 100%. The News Years Day tribute is very poignant and the best way to honour fans memories. Without wishing to upset anyone a minutes applause very game just devalues it. Saying that if people want to clap its up to them.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Oct 8, 2015 15:29:16 GMT
I'm not sure if that would "lessen" the impact or poignancy of what we are trying to achieve. without wishing to sound heartless, unless it is a former player or a significant club member (manager, chairman, nello etc) then i think it would be more appropriate to have a remembrance section for all those who have died during the last home game of the season.This could be during the 10 minute run up to kick off or during halftime. Pictures and such like could be used on the screen with some accompanying music. I think this would be more reflective and would would give a context on how many of our loved ones "in red and white" we have lost. As nice as it is, at the risk of being cold hearted, we seem to be applauding people more and more frequently and it almost becomes an expectation rather than exception. This is already done around New Year time. Of course... Let's continue that
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Post by StaffordPotter on Oct 8, 2015 16:00:26 GMT
My friend had a minutes applause at the Bournemouth game. It meant a hell of a lot to his family and friends to see the stadium join in on the 28th minute. I will also be clapping on the 17th minute against Watford for that poor lad that died of a heart attack. It's a minute of respect to give a little comfort to fellow Stoke supporters in their worst hours of grieving. I honestly find it utterly mind boggling that some people can't take one minute out of their life to do something as simple like stand up and clap in tribute to a lost soul.
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Post by norman conquest on Oct 8, 2015 16:20:12 GMT
Its a winner for me, great idea.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 8, 2015 16:27:02 GMT
Full marks!
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Post by nik80 on Oct 8, 2015 16:27:50 GMT
You just can't give a minutes applause every time one of us dies. Great idea in the op, I'm still happy enough to wait until the first match of the new year actually. Somehow seems more poignant
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Post by capto on Oct 8, 2015 16:54:53 GMT
For instance, someone dies on jan 2nd and the family wait until the next Jan 1st? I think the passing of a family member/friend and the grief should be shown as soon as possible- and so the 12th minute thing works for me. The New Year's Day tribute, to me, is more like the Remembrance Day, when we remember everyone, not just those on the screen but our own dearly loved.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2015 17:10:56 GMT
I think it is an ok idea, still doesn't solve the fact that I won't know who I'm singing for, as with the clapping, but I suppose that will always be the case unless you have pictures at every home game.
I suppose that could replace the happy birthday nonsense which currently goes on.
As an aside I still think the New Years Day mini memorial is the best way.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2015 17:32:32 GMT
My friend had a minutes applause at the Bournemouth game. It meant a hell of a lot to his family and friends to see the stadium join in on the 28th minute. I will also be clapping on the 17th minute against Watford for that poor lad that died of a heart attack. It's a minute of respect to give a little comfort to fellow Stoke supporters in their worst hours of grieving. I honestly find it utterly mind boggling that some people can't take one minute out of their life to do something as simple like stand up and clap in tribute to a lost soul. Do you not think having it pretty much every game devalues it? We were meant to have three in one game at one point!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 8, 2015 17:36:53 GMT
I agree with someone above, minutes applause durring matches should only be for Stoke players/managers. We had all this clapping for everyone a few seasons back & it started to get right out-of-hand (At one stage it turned out we were clapping for someone who'd died about 5 months previously in the summer!) thankfully it all got knocked on the head but now it's back again.
"Oh but it ment so much to their family" Why? Why did a bunch of people who didn't know whoever it was clapping mean so much? It's like everyone wants to be a celebrity & feel like they are important & matter to everyone else. When I die do you know what I want you all do on whatever minute it is? Watch the fucking match & cheer the lads on like usual!
You never even know who you're clapping for, all you get is some Facebook post off such & such's sister or whatever, "Oh he was such a lovely lad, he loved Stoke, it'd mean loads if you clapped". For all we know he could have been a druggie who battered his wife senseless every Friday when he got home from the pub.
Then there's all the "What if's"....
What if the opposition score just as we start clapping? Do we carry on clapping? Do we start tell the opposition player to "Fuck off you wanker" and then clap in the next minute instead? What if the ref has just right shafted us & we're in full-on "Booooo you wanker" mode? That's going sound nice durring the 'minutes applause' inna it.
It's all a load of shit for me, just have the 'Those we've loved & lost' at the same time as everyone else. New Years Day (Or the home game closest to)
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Post by StaffordPotter on Oct 8, 2015 17:44:02 GMT
My friend had a minutes applause at the Bournemouth game. It meant a hell of a lot to his family and friends to see the stadium join in on the 28th minute. I will also be clapping on the 17th minute against Watford for that poor lad that died of a heart attack. It's a minute of respect to give a little comfort to fellow Stoke supporters in their worst hours of grieving. I honestly find it utterly mind boggling that some people can't take one minute out of their life to do something as simple like stand up and clap in tribute to a lost soul. Do you not think having it pretty much every game devalues it? We were meant to have three in one game at one point! Nope.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Oct 8, 2015 17:45:44 GMT
I agree with someone above, minutes applause durring matches should only be for Stoke players/managers. We had all this clapping for everyone a few seasons back & it started to get right out-of-hand (At one stage it turned out we were clapping for someone who'd died about 5 months previously in the summer!) thankfully it all got knocked on the head but now it's back again. "Oh but it ment so much to their family" Why? Why did a bunch of people who didn't know whoever it was clapping mean so much? It's like everyone wants to be a celebrity & feel like they are important & matter to everyone else. When I die do you know what I want you all do on whatever minute it is? Watch the fucking match & cheer the lads on like usual! You never even know who you're clapping for, all you get is some Facebook post off such & such's sister or whatever, "Oh he was such a lovely lad, he loved Stoke, it'd mean loads if you clapped". For all we know he could have been a druggie who battered his wife senseless every Friday when he got home from the pub. Then there's all the "What if's".... What if the opposition score just as we start clapping? Do we carry on clapping? Do we start tell the opposition player to "Fuck off you wanker" and then clap in the next minute instead? What if the ref has just right shafted us & we're in full-on "Booooo you wanker" mode? That's going sound nice durring the 'minutes applause' inna it. It's all a load of shit for me, just have the 'Those we've loved & lost' at the same time as everyone else. New Years Day (Or the home game closest to) Unbelievable. Try lighten up and enjoy yourself once in a while. You might like it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 17:46:35 GMT
I agree with TDC.
Also lets say there have been 10 deaths by the time we play Bournemouth...young and old....all Stoke fans.
Why should we only clap the one that's received media attention?
My personal opinion is I dont want to clap at all. The lad had no effect or impact on my life at all....if I clapped all dead people I never stop fucking clapping.
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Post by buddha74 on Oct 8, 2015 17:49:51 GMT
My friend had a minutes applause at the Bournemouth game. It meant a hell of a lot to his family and friends to see the stadium join in on the 28th minute. I will also be clapping on the 17th minute against Watford for that poor lad that died of a heart attack. It's a minute of respect to give a little comfort to fellow Stoke supporters in their worst hours of grieving. I honestly find it utterly mind boggling that some people can't take one minute out of their life to do something as simple like stand up and clap in tribute to a lost soul. Do you not think having it pretty much every game devalues it? We were meant to have three in one game at one point! Devalues for whom? Surely the point is to benefit the family who are grieving a lost one, not the supporter who may or may not wish to applause, so what if you don't know who it's for, it's just one minute for Christ sake and if it helps the family in any way then that's a good thing right? Baffles me also why it's such a big deal, the very fact that it means so much to the family to hear the applause around the stadium justifies why you join in, if you don't want to, then don't .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 8, 2015 18:08:38 GMT
Do you not think having it pretty much every game devalues it? We were meant to have three in one game at one point! Devalues for whom? Surely the point is to benefit the family who are grieving a lost one, not the supporter who may or may not wish to applause, so what if you don't know who it's for, it's just one minute for Christ sake and if it helps the family in any way then that's a good thing right? Baffles me also why it's such a big deal, the very fact that it means so much to the family to hear the applause around the stadium justifies why you join in, if you don't want to, then don't . When did I mention knowing them or not, if I knew them I still wouldn't want it apart from the new years game. Any way I'm going to leave this where it is, it gets way to heated (understandably) when this conversation comes up.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 8, 2015 18:08:42 GMT
Do you not think having it pretty much every game devalues it? We were meant to have three in one game at one point! Devalues for whom? Surely the point is to benefit the family who are grieving a lost one, not the supporter who may or may not wish to applause, so what if you don't know who it's for, it's just one minute for Christ sake and if it helps the family in any way then that's a good thing right? Baffles me also why it's such a big deal, the very fact that it means so much to the family to hear the applause around the stadium justifies why you join in, if you don't want to, then don't . I don't think a sporting venue on a Saturday afternoon when there is live action taking place is an appropriate place for offering therapy to grieving relatives. Many people clap because they feel they have an obligation and that in itself devalues the meaning. The New Year tribute on the big screen for all the Stokies that have died during the previous 12 months is a touching occasion and means far more than random clapping during a fiercely competetive football match.
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Post by manmarking on Oct 8, 2015 18:23:37 GMT
Why not clap before or after the game? I agree I'm not convinced about the idea of turning every game into a memorial service.
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