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Post by liam007 on Oct 8, 2015 15:48:14 GMT
Have voted Tory at the last 2 elections,based mainly on local issues as i had become totally disillusioned with our sitting Labour MP Charlotte Atkins who had become exposed as one of the biggest culprits of the expenses fallout.Not only that she was making and endorsing bad decision's that affected the Staffordshire Moorlands that meant we lost Britannia Building Society and all the textile jobs.Voted for Karen Bradley on both occasions and so glad i did.I had lost trust with the Labour party,they will never ever get it back from me.My Grandad will turn in his grave to see his Grandson vote Tory but i have to think about what is best for my family and their family's future.Labour do not represent my feelings or ideas and i have no reason to ever return.Tony Blair/Gordon Brown have ruined the Labour party for ever,Corbyn is just laying it to rest. I am not own my own by any stretch,i work in a team of 5 fellow production workers(all normally Labour voters) and they have all said they will not vote Labour again in their lifetime. I even know a Labour campaigner who has said he is not going to waste the next 4 years of his life following a lost cause. Labour are finished.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 8, 2015 16:45:36 GMT
Time for the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 16:49:58 GMT
"fight propaganda "
Labour are no better huddy
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Post by jssandbach on Oct 8, 2015 18:08:35 GMT
Well as youve brought it up you must have had it on your mind as well. What are you on about mate? Des said "Well as youve brought it up you must have had it on your mind as well"
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Post by manmarking on Oct 8, 2015 18:19:18 GMT
What are you on about mate? Des said "Well as youve brought it up you must have had it on your mind as well" I got that bit yeah, thanks mate.
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Post by jssandbach on Oct 8, 2015 18:32:26 GMT
Des said "Well as youve brought it up you must have had it on your mind as well" I got that bit yeah, thanks mate. No problem
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 8, 2015 18:47:17 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Oct 8, 2015 19:12:48 GMT
Load of slanderous bollocks cooked up by Cameron's ra-ra acolytes in the Tory press office ain't it. Not that that should surprise anyone.
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Post by liam007 on Oct 8, 2015 19:44:26 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 8, 2015 19:48:04 GMT
I'm no Corbynista. I think it's fair to point out that the article in question is written by one man. There are a couple of million others who need to write the same article before we can jump to such massively over-egged conclusions.
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Post by liam007 on Oct 8, 2015 19:59:33 GMT
I'm no Corbynista. I think it's fair to point out that the article in question is written by one man. There are a couple of million others who need to write the same article before we can jump to such massively over-egged conclusions. Millions have not got a newspaper column to put their story/views forward but the everyday people i meet at school/work/pub/football would never ever consider Corbyn as a possible Prime Minister.They now want to move away as far as possible from The Labour Party.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 8, 2015 20:09:50 GMT
Totally agree mate. I gave up with them in 2010 and haven't been tempted to vote for Labour since. As in the article perhaps, my views have changed as I got a little older and wiser or perhaps I realised Brown, Millibund and now Corbyn have as much clue on running a major economy as I have about croquet. I tried to give Corbyn the benefit of the doubt and listen to what he had to say. Since his election he has been totally underwhelming. I can live with his pretty poor style of speaking, it's the complete lack of common sense. He's carried on playing to the 1%, who seem to be more than happy with his abysmal poll ratings. I did think following his overwhelming leadership election win he'd fight one general election but I now think it's far more likely that he'll be out within 2 years, when the party can have another debate with itself.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 8, 2015 20:28:29 GMT
This is a copy of Wikipedia entry on Corbyn. If I was a playful Journalist I would have highlighted the following points. The man has never been employed "gainfully" and I find it worrying to think someone who has spent his life "protesting" could theoretically lead our once great nation.
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Corbyn was born in Chippenham and was brought up at nearby Kington St Michael, Wiltshire.[4] The youngest of four sons, he is the brother of weather forecaster Piers Corbyn and the son of Naomi (née Josling; 1915-1987), a maths teacher, and David Benjamin Corbyn (1915-1986), an electrical engineer and expert in power rectifiers. His parents were peace campaigners who met during the Spanish Civil War.[5][6] When Corbyn was seven years old the family moved to Pave Lane in Shropshire, where his father bought "Yew Tree Manor" (renamed "Yew Tree Guesthouse")[7] converting it into a family home.[4]
Corbyn was educated at the independent Castle House Preparatory School near Newport, Shropshire, before attending Adams' Grammar School as a day boy.[8][9] While still at school he became active in The Wrekin Constituency Young Socialists and his local Labour Party, as well as in the League Against Cruel Sports.[9] He achieved two A-Levels with 'E' grades before leaving school aged 18.[10] After school,[11] Corbyn spent two years doing Voluntary Service Overseas in Jamaica before becoming a full-time official for the National Union of Public Employees and Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union[/, while briefly pursuing a degree in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic, which he left after his first year without completing his undergraduate studies.
Corbyn later worked as an Official of the National Union of Tailors and Garment Workers, was appointed a member of a district health authority and in 1974 was elected to Haringey Council, representing Harringay Ward as Councillor until 1983.[5][14] Corbyn worked on Tony Benn's unsuccessful 1981 campaign to become Deputy Leader of the Labour Party and was elected Secretary of the Islington Borough Labour Group.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 8, 2015 20:29:55 GMT
Is there anyone, just one single person who actually never used to be a Labour supporter?
I've never known of one place with so many, so-called ex-Labour voters, who're now supporting the Tories or UKIP.... It's even more "Hmm..." When you read what they say & every single post they ever make is massively pro-right-wing, massively anti-Labour (And not just 'New Labour', it's anti all Labour ever)
Can't help but smell a massive heap of bullshit about it all... Just seems to be a bunch of rattled right-wingers.
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Post by matelot1996 on Oct 8, 2015 20:46:09 GMT
Is there anyone, just one single person who actually never used to be a Labour supporter? I've never known of one place with so many, so-called ex-Labour voters, who're now supporting the Tories or UKIP.... It's even more "Hmm..." When you read what they say & every single post they ever make is massively pro-right-wing, massively anti-Labour (And not just 'New Labour', it's anti all Labour ever) Can't help but smell a massive heap of bullshit about it all... Just seems to be a bunch of rattled right-wingers. I think many of the historic Labour voters either have no modern party they can relate to or they have progressed financially and now see themselves as Tories. I personally am the former, I don't support any of the main current parties because our political representatives have zero in common with the common man. British Politics is a massively depressing, EU-centric, sack of shit, Viva la revolution !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 0:14:30 GMT
Is there anyone, just one single person who actually never used to be a Labour supporter? I've never known of one place with so many, so-called ex-Labour voters, who're now supporting the Tories or UKIP.... It's even more "Hmm..." When you read what they say & every single post they ever make is massively pro-right-wing, massively anti-Labour (And not just 'New Labour', it's anti all Labour ever) Can't help but smell a massive heap of bullshit about it all... Just seems to be a bunch of rattled right-wingers. I think many of the historic Labour voters either have no modern party they can relate to or they have progressed financially and now see themselves as Tories. I personally am the former, I don't support any of the main current parties because our political representatives have zero in common with the common man. British Politics is a massively depressing, EU-centric, sack of shit, Viva la revolution ! Labour has changed to a party of the unelectable far left . Corbyn is a man whose politics is far removed from the mainstream as it is possible to get . He is an idealist rather than a realist and people have moved on from the 1970s . Social deprivation ,financial inequality and improvements to social welfare can only be achieved by being in power . Would anyone bet on a donkey to win the next Grand National ? heeeee. Haaww
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Post by starkiller on Oct 9, 2015 0:39:43 GMT
Load of slanderous bollocks cooked up by Cameron's ra-ra acolytes in the Tory press office ain't it. Not that that should surprise anyone. It's amazing how close Cameron's attacks were to the crap in the tabloids and supposed 'serious' rags over the past few weeks. Churned out by the same boys' clubs, I'm sure. As for 'tragedy', it's a tragedy that the bullshit line that Bin Laden being responsible for 911 is still being peddled. And the fact that more money was spent on investigating Clinton and Lewinsky than 911 because it was already decided what the story was going to be before the plan was executed. This story was being pushed on the public within an hour of it happening, with no investigation whatsoever, by an owned news media
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Post by salopstick on Oct 9, 2015 5:36:39 GMT
Time for the truth. I've won huddy bingo A meme
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 9, 2015 6:38:31 GMT
Is there anyone, just one single person who actually never used to be a Labour supporter? I've never known of one place with so many, so-called ex-Labour voters, who're now supporting the Tories or UKIP.... It's even more "Hmm..." When you read what they say & every single post they ever make is massively pro-right-wing, massively anti-Labour (And not just 'New Labour', it's anti all Labour ever) Can't help but smell a massive heap of bullshit about it all... Just seems to be a bunch of rattled right-wingers. A fair point. In my own constituency of Stoke South, Labour have polled the following number of votes in the past 3 elections: 2005- 17,727 2010- 15,446 2015- 15,319 So it seems that in this constituency there's over a couple of thousand who lost hope with them around about the same time as I did and have yet to return to the fold. No wonder there's more than 1 or 2 about on here.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 9, 2015 8:25:21 GMT
A fair point. In my own constituency of Stoke South, Labour have polled the following number of votes in the past 3 elections: 2005- 17,727 2010- 15,446 2015- 15,319 So it seems that in this constituency there's over a couple of thousand who lost hope with them around about the same time as I did and have yet to return to the fold. No wonder there's more than 1 or 2 about on here. That is interesting, I've just been to look at it myself. In 2010 there was a 39,000 turnout, and in 2015 there was a 39,000 turnout. So no difference there & it'd be safe to assume it's roughly the same people voting. In 2010 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes, and in 2015 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes. So again no difference there & you'd assume it's the same people. In 2010 UKIP got less than 2,000 votes, unyet in 2015 they got 8,000. That is quite a big jump & you wonder where these votes have come from seeing as the overall turnout was the same. Surely some party has lost out somewhere as people have jumped ship to UKIP? You then notice that there was a party who stood in 2010 & picked up 4,000 votes, in 2015 they didn't field a candidate. I think it'd be safe to assume as most of these people must have been the ones who jumped ship to UKIP. ..... That party was the BNP by the way.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 9, 2015 9:01:39 GMT
Time for the truth. Yet Labour still managed to get slaughtered at the General Election. Why do you think that happened? Was everyone duped? If so, it doesn't say much for the British public.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 9, 2015 9:48:08 GMT
Corbyn frightens me, in so much as someone with his views can actually be elected as leader of the opposition.
I very much doubt Cameron is frightened, in fact he probably amuses himself by considering a snap election now - which would destroy labour completely.
Hopefully its a temporary scenario, and after the next election the leader of the opposition is a tory, liberal or ukip person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 10:29:17 GMT
I have really gone off cameron, the way he laughs at corbyn as if he is some kind of joke, if i was to speak about my elders or anyone like he does i would have had a right thick ear.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Oct 9, 2015 13:26:58 GMT
A fair point. In my own constituency of Stoke South, Labour have polled the following number of votes in the past 3 elections: 2005- 17,727 2010- 15,446 2015- 15,319 So it seems that in this constituency there's over a couple of thousand who lost hope with them around about the same time as I did and have yet to return to the fold. No wonder there's more than 1 or 2 about on here. That is interesting, I've just been to look at it myself. In 2010 there was a 39,000 turnout, and in 2015 there was a 39,000 turnout. So no difference there & it'd be safe to assume it's roughly the same people voting. In 2010 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes, and in 2015 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes. So again no difference there & you'd assume it's the same people. In 2010 UKIP got less than 2,000 votes, unyet in 2015 they got 8,000. That is quite a big jump & you wonder where these votes have come from seeing as the overall turnout was the same. Surely some party has lost out somewhere as people have jumped ship to UKIP? You then notice that there was a party who stood in 2010 & picked up 4,000 votes, in 2015 they didn't field a candidate. I think it'd be safe to assume as most of these people must have been the ones who jumped ship to UKIP. ..... That party was the BNP by the way. So there it is then 4,000 people ditched the BNP and all voted UKIP and 2,000 people ditched Labour and all voted UKIP. Everybody else voted for who they had done beforehand, all very neat. 2/3's of these so called Labour deserters on here were formally those racist BNP types then. I understand now. I'll make sure I keep an eye out for them and remember that anyone who says they used to vote Labour really didn't and actually voted BNP, the bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 14:22:31 GMT
A fair point. In my own constituency of Stoke South, Labour have polled the following number of votes in the past 3 elections: 2005- 17,727 2010- 15,446 2015- 15,319 So it seems that in this constituency there's over a couple of thousand who lost hope with them around about the same time as I did and have yet to return to the fold. No wonder there's more than 1 or 2 about on here. That is interesting, I've just been to look at it myself. In 2010 there was a 39,000 turnout, and in 2015 there was a 39,000 turnout. So no difference there & it'd be safe to assume it's roughly the same people voting. In 2010 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes, and in 2015 Labour got 15 & half thousand votes. So again no difference there & you'd assume it's the same people. In 2010 UKIP got less than 2,000 votes, unyet in 2015 they got 8,000. That is quite a big jump & you wonder where these votes have come from seeing as the overall turnout was the same. Surely some party has lost out somewhere as people have jumped ship to UKIP? You then notice that there was a party who stood in 2010 & picked up 4,000 votes, in 2015 they didn't field a candidate. I think it'd be safe to assume as most of these people must have been the ones who jumped ship to UKIP. ..... That party was the BNP by the way. That's interesting
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 9, 2015 14:49:32 GMT
So there it is then 4,000 people ditched the BNP and all voted UKIP and 2,000 people ditched Labour and all voted UKIP. Everybody else voted for who they had done beforehand, all very neat. 2/3's of these so called Labour deserters on here were formally those racist BNP types then. I understand now. I'll make sure I keep an eye out for them and remember that anyone who says they used to vote Labour really didn't and actually voted BNP, the bastards. Christ, I didn't think you'd get so upset about it, there's no need to cry. Labour lost 2,000 voters from 2005 to 2010. You say these are all the people who moved over to UKIP instead, but, UKIPs vote from 2005 to 2010 stayed the same as it was. From 2010 to 2015 UKIPs vote went up over 5,000. Labours vote in the same period didn't budge, but the BNP's went down from 4,000 to 0. I mean come on, I know I'm putting 2 & 2 together... Before you cry anymore I'm not for one minute suggesting all UKIPers are ex-BNP types, but this notion that they're all ex-Labour voters is a load of shit, and quite clearly a very sizable amount of them used to vote for rather undesirable parties in the past.... Which links back in to the original point that it's staggering that all the right-wing posters on here all claim to be ex-Labour, yet not a single one comes from elsewhere. All just seems a bit "Hmm..." to me.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 9, 2015 17:25:38 GMT
Let me put it this way, I now know how Sheff Wed fans must have felt when Leeds appointed Dave Hockaday.
A car crash waiting to happen.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 9, 2015 19:18:31 GMT
Time for the truth. Yet Labour still managed to get slaughtered at the General Election. Why do you think that happened? Was everyone duped? If so, it doesn't say much for the British public. You're right on both counts.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 10, 2015 11:25:21 GMT
Context is everything, eh Flashman?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 10, 2015 13:07:01 GMT
Yet Labour still managed to get slaughtered at the General Election. Why do you think that happened? Was everyone duped? If so, it doesn't say much for the British public. You're right on both counts. To be honest, Huddy, I can't be doing with Labour or the Tories at the moment. They both blabber on about aspiration, yet both parties kill it in different ways. Labour tax you to the hilt so you get less in your wage packet, while the Tories reduce tax for the lower paid, but hammer you on tax credits! What do you make of the "living wage"? On Question Time on Thursday the Liberal Democrat Leader said it should be around £12 per hour. Is that feasible? I certainly think it should be higher than the £7.20 that is being brought in. I looked at a job site the other day and a Night Shift job in a warehouse was paying £6.70! How can that be right?
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