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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2015 18:39:33 GMT
Fairly weird then that he didn't mention Redcar once and has handed the steel contract for HS2 to the Chinese.
I think he may be a liar and a cunt?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 18:41:18 GMT
Fairly weird then that he didn't mention Redcar once and has handed the steel contract for HS2 to the Chinese. I think he maybe a liar and a cunt? I think you are correct in your estimation. |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 5, 2015 19:33:01 GMT
I tell you labour are not the true part of labour either then.
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 5, 2015 19:52:45 GMT
The Tories aren't designed to be the party of the working class. The clue is in the name, really. The Conservative Party exist to keep power in the hands of elites.
Problem we've got now is that everyone in the Westminster bubble has accepted the premise of "small-c" conservatism. I have to admit that Labour hardly challenge that status quo even with Corbyn in charge.
The most insulting thing Osborne has done is hit working families with tax credit cuts and not replace it with anything. It's a massive reduction in income and the raising of the living wage won't cover it. It's massively disingenuous, and an insult to working families, to be quite frank.
I'll never grasp quite how those on welfare and the poorest in society wound up having to pay the price for the mistakes of rich investment bankers. I'll never understand how people thought the best thing to do, after an economic crash in which the poor suffered the most, was to elect a party who quite openly wanted to scapegoat the poor for it.
Each to their own though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 19:59:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 20:03:00 GMT
The Tories aren't designed to be the party of the working class. The clue is in the name, really. The Conservative Party exist to keep power in the hands of elites. Problem we've got now is that everyone in the Westminster bubble has accepted the premise of "small-c" conservatism. I have to admit that Labour hardly challenge that status quo even with Corbyn in charge. The most insulting thing Osborne has done is hit working families with tax credit cuts and not replace it with anything. It's a massive reduction in income and the raising of the living wage won't cover it. It's massively disingenuous, and an insult to working families, to be quite frank. I'll never grasp quite how those on welfare and the poorest in society wound up having to pay the price for the mistakes of rich investment bankers. I'll never understand how people thought the best thing to do, after an economic crash in which the poor suffered the most, was to elect a party who quite openly wanted to scapegoat the poor for it. Each to their own though. Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 20:07:11 GMT
The Tories aren't designed to be the party of the working class. The clue is in the name, really. The Conservative Party exist to keep power in the hands of elites. Problem we've got now is that everyone in the Westminster bubble has accepted the premise of "small-c" conservatism. I have to admit that Labour hardly challenge that status quo even with Corbyn in charge. The most insulting thing Osborne has done is hit working families with tax credit cuts and not replace it with anything. It's a massive reduction in income and the raising of the living wage won't cover it. It's massively disingenuous, and an insult to working families, to be quite frank. I'll never grasp quite how those on welfare and the poorest in society wound up having to pay the price for the mistakes of rich investment bankers. I'll never understand how people thought the best thing to do, after an economic crash in which the poor suffered the most, was to elect a party who quite openly wanted to scapegoat the poor for it. Each to their own though. Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Could be illegals looking for food ...  Easy mistake to make ...he loves em just as much you do . |
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 5, 2015 20:15:50 GMT
Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Could be illegals looking for food ... Easy mistake to make ...he loves em just as much you do . Gibberish Mumf. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 20:32:16 GMT
Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Could be illegals looking for food ... Easy mistake to make ...he loves em just as much you do . You're as funny as toothache these days. And crass with it too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 20:46:31 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead .
Tens years wasted .
Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things .
All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough .
Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in ....
This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown .....
People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight .
Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button .
All simple easy points .....Proven points .
This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument
Good luck
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 5, 2015 20:46:47 GMT
The Tories aren't designed to be the party of the working class. The clue is in the name, really. The Conservative Party exist to keep power in the hands of elites. Problem we've got now is that everyone in the Westminster bubble has accepted the premise of "small-c" conservatism. I have to admit that Labour hardly challenge that status quo even with Corbyn in charge. The most insulting thing Osborne has done is hit working families with tax credit cuts and not replace it with anything. It's a massive reduction in income and the raising of the living wage won't cover it. It's massively disingenuous, and an insult to working families, to be quite frank. I'll never grasp quite how those on welfare and the poorest in society wound up having to pay the price for the mistakes of rich investment bankers. I'll never understand how people thought the best thing to do, after an economic crash in which the poor suffered the most, was to elect a party who quite openly wanted to scapegoat the poor for it. Each to their own though. Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Corbyn is simply attempting to ride on the wave of the anti-austerity drive which led him to the Labour Party leadership to (rather cynically in my view) claim a mandate for nuclear disarmament he doesn't actually have within the party. That isn't why he was elected leader and it's as politically cynical as Osborne is disingenuous. But I think in fairness to everyone else (and the thread author) this thread shouldn't perhaps be hijacked by that. There's another thread for that discussion  |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 5, 2015 21:01:55 GMT
Fairly weird then that he didn't mention Redcar once and has handed the steel contract for HS2 to the Chinese. I think he may be a liar and a cunt? Fairly weird and also untrue as the HS2 contracts are only just going out to tender. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 5, 2015 21:10:57 GMT
The Tories aren't designed to be the party of the working class. The clue is in the name, really. The Conservative Party exist to keep power in the hands of elites. Problem we've got now is that everyone in the Westminster bubble has accepted the premise of "small-c" conservatism. I have to admit that Labour hardly challenge that status quo even with Corbyn in charge. The most insulting thing Osborne has done is hit working families with tax credit cuts and not replace it with anything. It's a massive reduction in income and the raising of the living wage won't cover it. It's massively disingenuous, and an insult to working families, to be quite frank. I'll never grasp quite how those on welfare and the poorest in society wound up having to pay the price for the mistakes of rich investment bankers. I'll never understand how people thought the best thing to do, after an economic crash in which the poor suffered the most, was to elect a party who quite openly wanted to scapegoat the poor for it. Each to their own though. Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Another tactical error by Corbyn aligning himself with the protestors some of whom have been spitting and abusing delegates at the Tory conference, no new votes gained and plenty lost. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2015 21:43:14 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 22:12:19 GMT
Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Another tactical error by Corbyn aligning himself with the protestors some of whom have been spitting and abusing delegates at the Tory conference, no new votes gained and plenty lost. In fairness he has disassociated himself from those types. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 22:13:09 GMT
Good stuff apart from your part re Corbyn. As we write he's addressing an anti-austerity rally that's overflowed onto the streets outside. Corbyn is simply attempting to ride on the wave of the anti-austerity drive which led him to the Labour Party leadership to (rather cynically in my view) claim a mandate for nuclear disarmament he doesn't actually have within the party. That isn't why he was elected leader and it's as politically cynical as Osborne is disingenuous. But I think in fairness to everyone else (and the thread author) this thread shouldn't perhaps be hijacked by that. There's another thread for that discussion I'm afraid I completely disagree. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 22:14:44 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead . Tens years wasted . Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things . All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough . Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in .... This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown ..... People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight . Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button . All simple easy points .....Proven points . This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument Good luck Out of touch and out of time.You. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:29:11 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead . Tens years wasted . Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things . All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough . Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in .... This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown ..... People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight . Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button . All simple easy points .....Proven points . This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument Good luck Out of touch and out of time.You. Put another shilling in the meter... I keep getting short one line negative remarks reminiscent of what I have described above. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2015 22:31:54 GMT
Out of touch and out of time.You. Put another shilling in the meter... I keep getting short one line negative remarks reminiscent of what I have described above. That's because you fall hook l;ine and sinker for the pap that the tory press write. So yes you're not really worth wasting words on because you're totally wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:40:19 GMT
Put another shilling in the meter... I keep getting short one line negative remarks reminiscent of what I have described above. That's because you fall hook l;ine and sinker for the pap that the tory press write. So yes you're not really worth wasting words on because you're totally wrong. I don't read newspapers. I read the election results and poll ratings. Grim. |
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 5, 2015 22:56:14 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead . Tens years wasted . Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things . All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough . Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in .... This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown ..... People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight . Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button . All simple easy points .....Proven points . This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument Good luck Can't argue with any of that mate |
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Post by manmarking on Oct 5, 2015 23:07:18 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead . Tens years wasted . Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things . All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough . Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in .... This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown ..... People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight . Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button . All simple easy points .....Proven points . This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument Good luck So much certainty for one so wrong so often. No one knows how it will pan out, least of all you. Unless you've read the future by sifting through dog shit.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 23:17:32 GMT
It would be remiss of me to add that in the last three years this plant has failed to show a profit due to falling prices globally . Even if the contract had been given to them on a plate they could not have honoured it in the interests of viability . The unions did ask for government intervention , but exactly what form that would take is unclear . If perhaps the unions would have been prepared to take a 20% pay cut for its workers , then 1700 men would not be out of work . I certainly wouldn't be able to run an unprofitable business for 3 years , or would want to . This isn't a political football to be kicked around aimlessly . This is the global market falling on its arse . Combine this with the German car market about to implode and you have no alternative but to shut down production . Personally I wouldn't have wanted this new rail plan to go ahead in the first place . I think it's a white elephant . The IT technology has existed for decades without the need for business people to seek personal meetings and even if personal meetings are required , Is slicing off 30 minutes travelling time all that crucial in the grand scheme of things ? I think not . More emphasis on new rolling stock would have been far more beneficial . We are simply creating work for the sake of it . We are once again carving up vast tracts of land across this 'Green and pleasant land ' to cut minutes off our journey time at a vast expense . Utterly irresponsible and unworthy of consideration . Judge for yourselves... www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/11895997/1700-jobs-to-go-at-SSI-UK-as-Redcar-plant-mothballed.html |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 23:20:01 GMT
Never mind .....ten years of protest ahead . Tens years wasted . Ten years where Labour can do absolutely nothing to change things . All worth it , if you like banging a drum and ploughing the same political trough . Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer ...even more poorer when you have to pay for the thousands of immigrants coming in .... This thread is dedicated to idealist romantics . People who prefer to cut their noses off to spite their smug faces . Natural born losers . People who hate Bliar and Brown ..... People who have actively voted for change and abject failure . People who put idealism above realism . People who actually hate critical thinking . People who have no concept of business enterprise and simple economics . People who would rather base their politics on poverty rather than industry and initiative . People who sit on their fat idle arses whilst the City of Stoke on Trent is the natural embodiment of their failure to exact change . A prime example of stagnation , deprivation and lack of foresight . Labour is a party not only lacking in support , but also one of direction . It no longer represents a broad range of support , but instead one that offers nothing more than Jeremy Corbyn . It's shadow cabinet all showing their annoyance and anger over Corbyns comments over refusing to press the nuclear button . All simple easy points .....Proven points . This has more to do with left wing protest than it ever has to do with becoming a credible opposition . It's the start of a negative rear guard withdrawal frommainstream political argument Good luck So much certainty for one so wrong so often. No one knows how it will pan out, least of all you. Unless you've read the future by sifting through dog shit. Dog shit being the operative word . |
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 6, 2015 7:02:17 GMT
Corbyn is simply attempting to ride on the wave of the anti-austerity drive which led him to the Labour Party leadership to (rather cynically in my view) claim a mandate for nuclear disarmament he doesn't actually have within the party. That isn't why he was elected leader and it's as politically cynical as Osborne is disingenuous. But I think in fairness to everyone else (and the thread author) this thread shouldn't perhaps be hijacked by that. There's another thread for that discussion I'm afraid I completely disagree. Fair enough. It's each to their own. It'll be interesting to see what Cameron has to say though. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 6, 2015 7:17:33 GMT
The Tories get away with what they get away with because they know at least half the population are fucking thick.
Blame the poor for being poor.
It's not 'dole scum' that are being punished by this vermin its hard working families on low pay.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2015 7:43:09 GMT
I'm afraid I completely disagree. Fair enough. It's each to their own. It'll be interesting to see what Cameron has to say though. The Tories (and in truth the old "new" Labour people) understand that in the past 20 years an unhealthy dependency culture has developed. The difference is the Tories are articulating the challenge and their solution to the problem - ie moving from a low wage / high tax / high welfare to a high wage / low tax / low welfare economy. Labour have yet to articulate what they will do. Which is understandable as a new leader takes charge. However, this creates a space that the Tories are keen to occupy and also allows them to put in place the sort of aggressive cuts they know they can only get away with at the start of the parliamentary term (and only then if they think the opposition is not going to hurt them). Smoke and mirrors of course. But that's politics. The problem Corbyn faces is putting forward a credible alternative - something other than protest though. Unfortunately the baggage he brings mean debate around him doesn't focus on the economy but on stuff that is (frankly) a distraction like pushing the button. On the positive side for Labour though, I reckon Osbourne is as unelectable as PM as Gordon Brown. He could have a chance if the Tories mess up the election for their next leader. IMO, if the Tories want to win, they'd be wise not to go with Osbourne. |
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Post by manmarking on Oct 6, 2015 7:59:23 GMT
So much certainty for one so wrong so often. No one knows how it will pan out, least of all you. Unless you've read the future by sifting through dog shit. Dog shit being the operative word . Don't be too hard on yourself mate; I agree with the bit about HS2. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 6, 2015 8:07:45 GMT
Why would Gideon and the pig fucker step in to save up to 9000 Northern jobs when its loaning £45M to a steel company owned by millionaire Russian oligarch, Roman Abramovich. I mean that would be just daft wouldn't it?
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 6, 2015 8:18:38 GMT
Well as HS2 is a year away from parliamentary approval and god knows how many years before construction would actually start if they'd given all the contracts to Redcar I doubt it would have been able to stay open for the time needed, falling demand and falling prices is what has killed Redcar. As to your bet not much of an offer as Redcar would have been closed for a number of years but thanks for confirming at least the contracts had not been given to the Chinese but just as a point of reference I believe 90% of crossrail contracts went to uk companies. |
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