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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2015 18:30:27 GMT
The constant playing for a 0-0 does/did nothing for me. As a one off (or for the odd game) it's fine as your main tactic for away games it absolutely and always did stink. i kind of agree with both of you.first couple of seasons up fine, set up for a point away from home and a win is just a bonus; at that stage we just needed to stay up,attract some players then push on and that was the problem really....that push never came and that's where i start to see your point bayern. For that to be the be all and end all with no other ambition suffocated the life out of the team and the fans. as i said earlier though,all that means is that he reached the limit of his capabilities and there's no shame in that and nothing wrong with it (we all hit a personal ceiling in anything we do). I'm just eternally grateful that his ceiling was way above the level needed to get us here and keep us here,luckily we then found someone with different capabilities that have enabled us to make that extra push. Both great managers with different skillsets is all.no more than that This board shows football fans generally are happy with just the result because God forbid if you have a negative word to say after a win. I just don't work though. Winning doesn't gloss things over me, never has done, never will do.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 6, 2015 18:38:10 GMT
For me the 1st season in the prem takes some beating for the all round match day experience having gone to every game that season. Yep. Hairs on the back of your neck moments. I've seen the previous Tony's time... Hillsborough 1971 will always be a stand out. Wembley with Pulis smashing Bolton though and that first year in the Prem will always be a close second. FFS can't we leave the guy alone and give him a tiny bit of reverance.
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Post by padders01 on Oct 6, 2015 21:11:35 GMT
I respect your different perspective to mine. All I would say is that in more than half a century of watching Stoke there have been many many seasons where the football , not to mention the results, sometimes at 2 league levels below where TP took us to , was far worse than anything we saw under him in the PL. And any number of managers who couldn't even remotely approach his ability. If I didn't give up then I certainly wouldn't even remotely consider it under him in the PL. But I do find the continued obsession with him on here even after he's gone with new threads , historical analyses about events at other clubs even before he came to Stoke etc , to be rather bizarre. He's left us and moved on and so should we. And We've got another good manager to support. Leaving TP to one side for a moment Malcolm, and looking solely at the point you make about the results/entertainment debate, I have to disagree. Of course there has to be a balance. You can't go all out to score goals whilst completely neglecting the defensively side of the game, as Wigan seemed to do when they eventually went down. But surely entertainment has to be top of the priority list for supporters? We're not Chairmen, stakeholders, or managers of a business, we're passionate supporters. The lifeblood of the game. For many of us it was our fathers favourite past time and if we're lucky enough, we'll get to share it with our kids when the time arrives. I will enever accept that results are king over the performance and entrainment served up. Of course, throughout the course of a season a team will win ugly and scrape out results. In fact, that's normally the sign of a good side. I still expect a team to go out and play a bit over the course of 38 games or whatever a season may hold. We did fantastic to get promotion and even better to fight and battle to secure our place in the top flight but we were always going to reach a point where expectations were heightened. The squad has been invested in heavily and that should be reflected on the pitch. This isn't a dig at Pulis either. He gave me some of my best ever moments as a Stoke fan and will rightly go down as a legend. It was absolutely the right decision to get rid of him though. The results had deteriorated over a long period of time and the performances were absolutely dire. He probably would have kept us up again had he stayed but all the enjoyment of match day had sapped away and we should expect more than that. He got backed heavily and, truth be told, completely lost his way in the end. Hughes came in and was a breath of fresh air. He gave us much needed impetus, positivity and bought back the feelgood factor. The parting of the ways probably helped TP too as he went to Palace and inherited a team full of pace and trickery and utilised it in a way which he failed to do in his last 18 months at Stoke. Results are obviously massively important but it will never take precedence over enjoyment for me. I want to be entertained. I want to be on the edge of my seat. I want the Arnie's, Bojan's and Shaqiri's and I want to see them tearing the opposition apart. It costs too much money and takes up too much of our time for it simply to be about the result. When my lads old enough to come with me in a few years time it won't matter to me what league we're in. I had to put the hard yards in during some of the turgid stuff served up in League One so I don't see why he should have it easy! It's a massice cliche but being a Stoke fan is something that's in the blood. When you invest in something with such emotion it can never be just about the result. I'd rate some of the Championship moments with the magic of Ric over some of the utterly miserable periods in the Premier League when we offered next to nothing in terms of entertainment. Fantastic post
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Post by Roy Cropper on Oct 7, 2015 5:30:41 GMT
His success was his own downfall to a degree. He made a lot of people look very stupid and they couldn't wait to get on his back when progress stalled.
As Malcolm said, he hit a ceiling and I'm very glad he left and Sparky came in because it's the best football I've ever seen us play.
Some of the vile thrown at TP is embarrassing though, people really enjoying reading bad words said against the bloke.
I'm glad he left, but he deserves my respect for what he achieved.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 7, 2015 13:53:27 GMT
I think it's time the admin just pinned and locked one of these threads then just deleted anything else on the same subject. It's all been said over and over again I think that's a fair point. I do feel however that at least in this thread there has, on the whole, been a respectful and reasoned discussion. For me there have been few things more depressing than the PHW v 'Rimmers' so-called debates which were often little more than posters just hurling abuse at each other and TP, some of which has continued long after he's gone, which I find bizarre. This will be my last contribution to this thread, and maybe to the topic at all, because I agree that we should all move on, and concentrate on supporting the team and the current manager.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Oct 7, 2015 15:07:07 GMT
A mate of mine who follows the Baggies home and away says he is counting down the days that Pulis leaves the club. Everything he described about their away performances bought back mine own frustrations about how Pulis used to wave the white flag away from home.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Oct 7, 2015 15:45:21 GMT
A mate of mine who follows the Baggies home and away says he is counting down the days that Pulis leaves the club. Everything he described about away their performances bought back mine own frustrations about how Pulis used to wave the white flag away from home. Exactly what my baggie mate says too.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2015 15:56:54 GMT
A mate of mine who follows the Baggies home and away says he is counting down the days that Pulis leaves the club. Everything he described about away their performances bought back mine own frustrations about how Pulis used to wave the white flag away from home. Exactly what my baggie mate says too. Seems to be the general consensus amongst their fans at the moment, but that is after a loss, not really a bad loss to be fair, the time Pulis should worry is when they're still moaning after a win, not that he will. One of my best mates is a Baggie fan, I really feel for him, think he gave his season ticket up when kids came along but at one point he was driving from Plymouth to Portsmouth on a Friday night to see his missus, then from Portsmouth to West Brom and back on the Saturday and back to Plymouth on the Sunday night :D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 7, 2015 16:12:34 GMT
Fuck me we've got a sudden run on Stoke fans with Baggie best friends now
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Post by Davef on Oct 7, 2015 16:28:57 GMT
Fuck me we've got a sudden run on Stoke fans with Baggie best friends now Everybody knows a West Brom fan.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 7, 2015 18:49:24 GMT
Mate of mine, who follows the baggies, says we are a bunch of ungrateful twats and calls us Stokylona.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 7, 2015 19:28:15 GMT
I'm just wondering whether I'm petty enough to keep adding moaning Baggie comments to this thread throughout the season. Yep, I am.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 19:29:01 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive.
I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 7, 2015 19:42:50 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive. I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it. Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses?
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Post by foster on Oct 7, 2015 19:57:25 GMT
These West Brom fans need a bit of patience. Its all about the 3 year plan.
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 7, 2015 19:57:44 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive. I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it. Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses? No other manager could keep us in the Premier League we were told. If he were to be sacked then we would be instantly relegated. Prize plums the lot of them who were completely and utterly taken in by the self serving bollox that Pulis used to spout. Oh how I miss those interviews he gave telling us how great he'd made things for us and how we were lucky to be on the same pitch as the likes of Bolton. Yes TD proved hysterically wrong the lot of them. BM
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Post by foster on Oct 7, 2015 19:59:49 GMT
Fuck me we've got a sudden run on Stoke fans with Baggie best friends now Everybody knows a West Brom fan. I don't, but by all accounts I hear they stink of piss and are often found snogging eachother.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 7, 2015 20:15:36 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive. I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it. Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses? What has been proved beyond reasonable doubt?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 7, 2015 20:41:29 GMT
Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses? What has been proved beyond reasonable doubt? That from Smethwick he can still make the wankstains nut sacks twitch like a badgers whiskers and they remain completely obsessed.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 20:45:16 GMT
Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses? What has been proved beyond reasonable doubt? That Stoke fans could start an argument in an empty room?
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 7, 2015 21:09:40 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive. I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it. I remember Rodgers and Martinez but I can't recall Willy Nilly....was he Dutch??
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Post by upthefud on Oct 7, 2015 21:18:05 GMT
Because it's now been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they were talking out of their arses? No other manager could keep us in the Premier League we were told. If he were to be sacked then we would be instantly relegated. Prize plums the lot of them who were completely and utterly taken in by the self serving bollox that Pulis used to spout. Oh how I miss those interviews he gave telling us how great he'd made things for us and how we were lucky to be on the same pitch as the likes of Bolton. Yes TD proved hysterically wrong the lot of them. BM The voice of reason speaks... We were the most written off team in PL history. Pulis' achievements were outstanding with our football club TD I thought you had more sense than this, evidently not.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 7, 2015 21:31:45 GMT
I just think a lot of people are frustrated that it wasn't done with the finesse of Swansea, who spent less, won a trophy, swapped managers willy nilly and played better football with a more solid infastructure, which blew apart the theory that you had to spend over the odds on british based players and strangle the life out of games in order to survive. I don't understand why certain people get over defensive when our ex manager is questioned or criticised on it. I remember Rodgers and Martinez but I can't recall Willy Nilly....was he Dutch?? No...that was Willy Van Nilly
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 7, 2015 21:40:51 GMT
No other manager could keep us in the Premier League we were told. If he were to be sacked then we would be instantly relegated. Prize plums the lot of them who were completely and utterly taken in by the self serving bollox that Pulis used to spout. Oh how I miss those interviews he gave telling us how great he'd made things for us and how we were lucky to be on the same pitch as the likes of Bolton. Yes TD proved hysterically wrong the lot of them. BM The voice of reason speaks... We were the most written off team in PL history. Pulis' achievements were outstanding with our football club TD I thought you had more sense than this, evidently not. The most written off team in PL history by who? Polis would love you to believe that and kept telling us so that it made him look good. A publicity stunt by a betting co after 1 game does not give any credence to the claim either. If you want teams who are the most written off in PL history there are plenty stronger contenders than we were. Swansea for one and they've done better than us. This season Watford and Bournemouth have been written off more than we ever were by the pundits it's just that they don't talk themselves down like our manager and many of our fans. We have some serious inferiority complexes on here and your post is right up there. There is no reason and was no reason that we shouldn't have been competitive as soon as we landed here. It wasn't a fucking miracle performed by some messiah that we were! BM
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 7, 2015 21:53:00 GMT
The voice of reason speaks... We were the most written off team in PL history. Pulis' achievements were outstanding with our football club TD I thought you had more sense than this, evidently not. The most written off team in PL history by who? Polis would love you to believe that and kept telling us so that it made him look good. A publicity stunt by a betting co after 1 game does not give any credence to the claim either. If you want teams who are the most written off in PL history there are plenty stronger contenders than we were. Swansea for one and they've done better than us. This season Watford and Bournemouth have been written off more than we ever were by the pundits it's just that they don't talk themselves down like our manager and many of our fans. We have some serious inferiority complexes on here and your post is right up there. There is no reason and was no reason that we shouldn't have been competitive as soon as we landed here. It wasn't a fucking miracle performed by some messiah that we were! BM Wow This is bit like a Monty Python sketch.. You know ... What did Tony Pulis ever do for us? ..
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Post by skip on Oct 7, 2015 21:58:14 GMT
Fuck me we've got a sudden run on Stoke fans with Baggie best friends now Everybody knows a West Brom fan. I used to live* with a Baggies fan! He's gone awfully quiet of late thinking about it. *not like that.
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 7, 2015 22:25:03 GMT
The most written off team in PL history by who? Polis would love you to believe that and kept telling us so that it made him look good. A publicity stunt by a betting co after 1 game does not give any credence to the claim either. If you want teams who are the most written off in PL history there are plenty stronger contenders than we were. Swansea for one and they've done better than us. This season Watford and Bournemouth have been written off more than we ever were by the pundits it's just that they don't talk themselves down like our manager and many of our fans. We have some serious inferiority complexes on here and your post is right up there. There is no reason and was no reason that we shouldn't have been competitive as soon as we landed here. It wasn't a fucking miracle performed by some messiah that we were! BM Wow This is bit like a Monty Python sketch.. You know ... What did Tony Pulis ever do for us? .. Its more like Life of Brian. All hail the messiah! He's not the Mesiah he's a very naughty boy! But my original point agreeing with TD was the large number of people who have been proved wrong because they were hysterically telling us that the minute Pulis goes we will return to oblivion. Most of those also said appointing Hughes will mean returning to oblivion. Wrong again. BM
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 7, 2015 22:32:45 GMT
Are we allowed to laugh at West Brazil fans yet?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 22:40:42 GMT
Are we allowed to laugh at West Brazil fans yet? I never stopped. <smiley>
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 7, 2015 22:46:30 GMT
The most written off team in PL history by who? Polis would love you to believe that and kept telling us so that it made him look good. A publicity stunt by a betting co after 1 game does not give any credence to the claim either. If you want teams who are the most written off in PL history there are plenty stronger contenders than we were. Swansea for one and they've done better than us. This season Watford and Bournemouth have been written off more than we ever were by the pundits it's just that they don't talk themselves down like our manager and many of our fans. We have some serious inferiority complexes on here and your post is right up there. There is no reason and was no reason that we shouldn't have been competitive as soon as we landed here. It wasn't a fucking miracle performed by some messiah that we were! BM Wow This is bit like a Monty Python sketch.. You know ... What did Tony Pulis ever do for us? .. The bloke posting on this thread didn't know, that's for sure... oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/209395/why-pulis-out-chants?page=3
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