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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 28, 2015 13:16:01 GMT
Butland Johnson Wollscheid Muniesa Pieters Whelan Cameron Arnautovic Bojan Walters Diouf I would play Cam in midfield too, agree with your team but if Shaqiri is fit I would play him in lieu of Walters and Wilson in lieu of Muni
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Post by upthefud on Sept 28, 2015 15:03:35 GMT
Butland Johnson Cameron Wolly Pieters Adam Whelan MVG Walters Arnie Diouf Someone suggested a similar formation on another thread. I like the 4-3-2-1, but I'd put Sidders in with Whelan, letting MVG be more box to box. Bloody hell! No Bojan? I don't think Bojan is ready yet mate, he's struggling a little. I've defended Sidwell on here and wanted him to sit in the base for the Arsenal and Leicester game, however Charlie was my first choice player to replace N'Zonzi in there all along and I still think he's our strongest option. We give MVG a bit more freedom in this role to see if he can be the future Lampard that Mourinho described him as.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 28, 2015 15:04:49 GMT
The 4-3-3 usually gets a mention in order to accommodate Adam. To free him from defensive duties, allowing him to concentrate on driving us forward. But there also seems to be a consensus that Charlie shouldn't be a starter in away games. Not so sure about that. Less about home vs away and more about his inability to do a full 90mins. I'd like to see how fitness/injuries pan out during this week before committing to the starting line up. As it stands Shaq/Diouf/Bojan don't look capable of a full game which sets up the conundrum of whether to start with them or bring them on second half. Butland, Johnson, Pieters, Whelan, Walters should be nailed on. I'd like to see Wollscheid and Wilson as the cbs... ah feck it, if we need to make changes then let's do eeet, hung for a sheep as a lamb: Butland Johnson Wollscheid Wilson Pieters Whelan VanGinkel Adam Walters Joselu Arnautovic Do them with guile over pace. Hoping for good news from the treatment room. Joselu?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 15:21:03 GMT
Butland
Johnson Wolly Cameron Pieters
Adam Whelan van Ginkel
Affelay/Diouf Walters Arnautovic
Given, Muniesa, Bojan, Affelay/Diouf only definites on the bench.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 28, 2015 15:41:40 GMT
Yeah Joselu if Diouf, Bojan and Shaq ain't up to scratch. I've been a bit harsh on Afellay and initially was considering Afellay/Walters/Arnie as the front line. As I said it's early in the week so 'in for a penny' etc. I'm keen on seeing more of Joselu and still don't think Crouch is ready to start. So yes Joselu.
Just a bit of monday giddiness. I think I may be starting to lose patience with being patient.
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 28, 2015 16:04:46 GMT
A little quiz for all you footy fans: Which two teams have the fewest defensive errors, over the last six matches? That is, errors leading to a chance or a goal? Accrington Stanley and Plymouth argyle?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 28, 2015 17:56:18 GMT
I think the more we can find partnership across the team that work, the better (ie two centre backs, two central midfielders, left back and left wing, right back and wing etc.).
So far, of those, we have a left back and wing combo that works (Erik and Arnie......bring me sunshine etc.) and, err........that's it. The others are still works in progress and Hughes should not be afraid to switch things round to see if it helps.
Johnson is doing well at right back going forward but has always been a bit lax defensively. Shaq's lack of desire to dig in and do the defensive work means we are unduly exposed on that flank. If we keep Johnson, we may need to utilise Walters' work rate out there. Bojan is not quite there yet in terms of match fitness, so how about a job share with Shaq (if fit) or Ireland for now at number 10?
In defence, Muni didn't start the season well and Geoff has been ever-present (if a bit ropey at times), Wilson looked good on his return and even Wolly has put in two solid performances this week.....and yet, no real partnership has prospered. I'd give Wilson and Wolly a go this next game, also to do the following......
Give Cameron a game in the middle of the park. He is our best athlete and most able to cover the ground we lost on the sale of SNZ. Okay, technically, he is not right up there, but away from home, I'd like to see if he can give Whelan the bit of help he must be crying out for. MvG seems to be lacking tactical discipline in there, Adam tackles like Paul Scholes (not a compliment) and is blowing out of his arse by, if not before, the hour mark in pretty much every game.
Up top, away from home Diouf's pace and willingness to run the channels makes his selection a no brainer.
Just goalie left - Jack Butland......for the next 15 years please!
So:
Butland
Johnson Wollscheid Wilson Pieters
Whelan Cameron
Walters Bojan Arnautovic
Diouf
Subs: Given, Muniesa, Adam, Ireland, Afellay, Joselu, Crouch (left out - Shaqiri (injured), Bardsley, Sidwell, Odemwingie)
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 28, 2015 18:35:37 GMT
I think the more we can find partnership across the team that work, the better (ie two centre backs, two central midfielders, left back and left wing, right back and wing etc.). So far, of those, we have a left back and wing combo that works (Erik and Arnie......bring me sunshine etc.) and, err........that's it. The others are still works in progress and Hughes should not be afraid to switch things round to see if it helps. 'Partnerships' are so three seasons ago. Seriously though all the evidence I've seen so far is Hughes and co aren't particularly interested in 'Partnerships'. I'm not saying it's right but they've gone out of their way to break up Pulis' Partnerships. Whelan/N'Zonzi. Shawcross/Huth... as you rightly identify Pieters and Arnie have a certain symbiosis but last season Hughes seemed to go out of his way to separate them. We've only played two up top about three times so there's little or no thought about a complimentary striking pair. I think their coaching methods etc etc is more focused on individual skill and responsibility, less about digging your mucka out and more about contributing to the whole with individual flair. Johnson/Shaq or even Johnson/Afellay don't seem to be complimentary at all... I'm sure we'd all consider Johnson/Walters as the go to right hand side pairing. I may be way off beam of course but they dunna seem interested in the kind of scenario you are proposing. I'm interested in evidence to the contrary of course. I'm starting to speculate that Walters and Hughes' touchline tactical tiff on saturday might be a/the turning point.
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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 28, 2015 18:38:45 GMT
Butland Johnson Wolly (never thought I'd say this!) Wilson Pieters Cameron Whelan Afellay (Shaq last 30 mins if fit) Bojan (Ireland last 30 mins) Arnie Diouf (SJW 15 minutes at the end) Subs: Given, Muni, Ireland, Adam, Shaq (if fit), Walters, Crouch. Butland Johnson Wollscheid (Coming into form) Muniesa (Needs gametime) Pieters Whelan Cameron (Need midfield defense) Arnautovic Bojan Walters (Shaq injured) Diouf
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 28, 2015 19:06:23 GMT
Think Sparky will shake it up a bit on Saturday.
Crouch SJW Bojan Arnie Whelan MVG Erik Cam Wilson GJ
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 28, 2015 19:41:42 GMT
Butland
Johnson Cameron Wolschied Pieters
MVG Whelan
Arnautovic Bojan Diouf
Walters
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 28, 2015 19:55:20 GMT
Don't get those who are choosing Cameron at Centre Half. Hughes stated that he sold Huth because he could not guarantee him a start, on that basis he rates Muni, Wooly and Wilson as his equals or better than him.. So why now is he playing the squarest of pegs at centre half. He should back his feckin judgement and play 2 of those proper centre halfs he rated above Huth. Is Cameron better than Huth??
I am also strugling with those who choose 4 luxury midfield players just leaving Whelan on his Jack Jones. It is not so much we have not replaced N'zonzi, we just have not replaced the type of player he was. The only person we could put in his role at the moment is possibly Cameron - as the OP stated.
After the last 2 away games where we have conceeded record amount of chances on goal he has to change thing dramatically
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Post by crouchie on Sept 28, 2015 20:01:40 GMT
we need to stiffen the midfield, which means sacrificing a flair player imo bojan shaqiri and arnie is one too many, i would go 4 3 3
butland
johnson wolschied wilson/muniesa pieters
whelan mvg cameron
bojan arnie diouf/walters
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Post by birchesheadstokie on Sept 28, 2015 20:22:29 GMT
For me wooly has to start , 100% win rate with him starting as of yet , and id put Walters on right wing , scored 2 in 2 , swap him and douif around on the wing and up top
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Post by rich0529 on Sept 29, 2015 7:10:09 GMT
Butland Johnson Wollscheid Muniesa Pieters Whelan Cameron Arnautovic Bojan Walters Diouf I would play Cam in midfield too, agree with your team but if Shaqiri is fit I would play him in lieu of Walters and Wilson in lieu of Muni I know what you mean mate there are loads of alternatives, I was even thinking up front maybe
bojan afellay arnie
diouf
I think we should try bojan on the wing and give afellay a chance behind diouf, could work could be a disaster
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 29, 2015 7:43:05 GMT
I would play Cam in midfield too, agree with your team but if Shaqiri is fit I would play him in lieu of Walters and Wilson in lieu of Muni I know what you mean mate there are loads of alternatives, I was even thinking up front maybe
bojan afellay arnie
diouf
I think we should try bojan on the wing and give afellay a chance behind diouf, could work could be a disaster
thought Affellay did more than Shaqiri when he came on although that wasn't a great deal either. I would stick with Bojan in the middle in the number 10 role. Agree that Diouf should play, I think he looks sharp at the minute
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 29, 2015 8:37:01 GMT
Butland Johnson Wolly Cam Muniesa Mvg Adam Whelan Shaq(Afellay) Diouf Arnie
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Post by jarhead on Sept 29, 2015 11:13:11 GMT
Butland Johnson Wilson Cameron Pieters MVG Whelan Shaqiri (Walters if he's not fit) Bojan Arnie Diouf This
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2015 12:10:35 GMT
I know it's all opinions but how the hell can anybody pick a Stoke team with no Diouf in it
Mind blowing
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 29, 2015 12:54:09 GMT
I know it's all opinions but how the hell can anybody pick a Stoke team with no Diouf in it Mind blowing Mark Hughes did.
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Post by superstokiesimo on Sept 29, 2015 12:59:42 GMT
Butland
Johnno Muniesa Wilson Pieters
Geoff Whelan Affeley Bojan Shaqiri
Crouch
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 29, 2015 13:01:44 GMT
Butland
Johnson Wolly Geoff Pieters
Whelan MVG
Arnie Walters Bojan
Diouf
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2015 13:26:27 GMT
I know it's all opinions but how the hell can anybody pick a Stoke team with no Diouf in it Mind blowing Mark Hughes did. Coming back from an injury he did ....,there's many on here who'd drop him full stop
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Post by 2004 on Sept 29, 2015 16:06:01 GMT
Butland
Johnson Wollscheid Wilson/Muniesa Pieters
Cameron Whelan
Walters Bojan Arnautovic
Diouf
Subs: Given Wilson/Muniesa Adam Ireland Crouch Joselu Afellay
Assuming that Shaqiri will be injured.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 29, 2015 16:10:35 GMT
If it's 433 I'd go
Jack
Glen Muni Wolli Eric
Afellay Glen Van Gink
Bojan Arni Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 16:20:37 GMT
Butland
Johnson Muniesa Wollscheid Pieters
van Ginkel Whelan
Shaq (if fit - Afellay if not) Bojan Arnie
Diouf (sub Walters on at 60' unless Diouf is having a cracking game)
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 29, 2015 16:27:30 GMT
Butland Johnson Wholly Muni Peiters Whelan Cameron Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf Safe to say this would be my starting 11 as well. Hope we fucking dick the Brummy bastards!!!!
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Post by datguy on Sept 29, 2015 16:30:57 GMT
Butland
Johnson Wollschied Muniesa Pieters
Whelan v. Ginkel
Shaqiri (If fit) Bojan Arnautovic
Diouf
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 1, 2015 8:38:11 GMT
Butland Johnson Wolly (never thought I'd say this!) Wilson Pieters Cameron Whelan Afellay (Shaq last 30 mins if fit) Bojan (Ireland last 30 mins) Arnie Diouf (SJW 15 minutes at the end) Subs: Given, Muni, Ireland, Adam, Shaq (if fit), Walters, Crouch. Butland Johnson Wollscheid (Coming into form) Muniesa (Needs gametime) Pieters Whelan Cameron (Need midfield defense) Arnautovic Bojan Walters (Shaq injured) Diouf Not a bad team either, and I really can understand why you pick Jon right now even though I've picked someone else.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 1, 2015 8:43:28 GMT
I hate to say it but I feel it would be unfair to drop Walters. That said he needs to be played as a striker. Under no circumstances should he play on the wing for us ever again.
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