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Post by trigger on Sept 27, 2015 14:33:45 GMT
All credit to the lad, great performance today BUT why does he always have to hoof the ball so much. Cannot recall one occasion where he threw or passed the ball short, look at the best keepers Hart, Bego et al they're all great at laying the ball short and building the attack from the back. If he really wants to be England's No.1 then he has to sharpen up his short game. If he threw or carried out a short pass he'd have it passed back to him in a few seconds, so might as whack it, its the clowns in front of him who can't defend for their lives let alone pick a pass out to another player |
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Post by longthrowstokie on Sept 27, 2015 14:37:54 GMT
Not to think too negatively but how long before a £20-30m bid from one of the big clubs?
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Post by trigger on Sept 27, 2015 14:38:42 GMT
Joe Hart is still better than Butland. In two years time things might be different.  Hmm I'd say they're on par with one another as it stands, Hart has the tendancy to look rather ordinary at times and drop the regular clanger, Jack has yet to stoop to those levels yet, plus Hart has the luxury of a good defence, Jack has the polar opposite. Convinced myself now that Jacks a much better keeper. |
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Post by andrewguk on Oct 8, 2015 7:15:57 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 8, 2015 7:20:15 GMT
Whilst it's fantastic Jack has been doing so well, it's terrifying how easy people plate getting through us. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 8, 2015 10:40:35 GMT
Jack Butland is another great keeper for us. We have always been blessed with great keepers its 1 position we havent had a problem in through the years.Jack Butland brilliant Englands no 1 following in the footsteps of the Legends Gordon Banks Peter Shilton, Not to mention Ronnie Sinclair! The subject of one of our greatest ever chants! Oh Ronnie, Ronnie... |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Oct 8, 2015 11:10:18 GMT
He's playing better than Begovic was last season, his kicking is far better.
Keep it up, Jack.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 8, 2015 11:22:06 GMT
He will be better with Ryan back in front of him, his shot stopping is outstanding though, I think we can safely say he's been magnificent, and I personally go back to me comments months ago about him being better than Bego. A settled back 4 will help immensely. He's not better than Bego. I'd say that, so far this season, his standard has been higher than Bego's was last season. That isn't to say it will last, of course - but, like a lot of Stokies, I don't think our first choice for keeper has been at all weakened by the sale of Bego on the evidence so far. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2015 11:23:45 GMT
A settled back 4 will help immensely. He's not better than Bego. I'd say that, so far this season, his standard has been higher than Bego's was last season. That isn't to say it will last, of course - but, like a lot of Stokies, I don't think our first choice for keeper has been at all weakened by the sale of Bego on the evidence so far. I'd agree with that too LP. And I haven't suggested anything otherwise! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:29:12 GMT
I'd say that, so far this season, his standard has been higher than Bego's was last season. That isn't to say it will last, of course - but, like a lot of Stokies, I don't think our first choice for keeper has been at all weakened by the sale of Bego on the evidence so far. I'd agree with that too LP. And I haven't suggested anything otherwise! with you here bayern bego had a poor season by his standards last year but the 2 beforehand he was superb! if Jack carries his current form on all season then that's a hell of an achievement in itself and impressive as it is, but he'd need to do it for a couple of years before we can properly compare the 2 rather than just make knee jerk judgments and getting carried away based on less than 10 games this season. Jack's a quality keeper no doubt...masses of potential and could be better than bego but it's by no means guaranteed he can reach that potential or even keep up his current class for the rest of this season. daft to compare the 2 at this stage |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 19:22:42 GMT
He's playing better than Begovic was last season, his kicking is far better. Keep it up, Jack. You know what mate your spot on he is doing really well and I'm not missing Bego one bit. |
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Post by muglump on Oct 9, 2015 15:44:01 GMT
Not to think too negatively but how long before a £20-30m bid from one of the big clubs? Not for a good couple of years at least. The big clubs are all prettty well served for goalies and won't want him till he's had a lot more experience. By which time we'll be a big club anyway so it won't matter |
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Post by Sven on Oct 9, 2015 17:25:10 GMT
No place for Jack in the starting line up today
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Post by jwhpotter on Oct 9, 2015 17:30:04 GMT
No place for Jack in the stating line up today Hodgson bottling as usual, what is the point in playing Joe Hart. Everyone knows at the moment he's England's number 1 but we're playing Estonia at home in a competitive game which there is no pressure on at all so give Butland and some other young players a go |
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 9, 2015 17:39:06 GMT
I have no idea what Roy's thinking is on this one...meaningless game against poor opposition, surely you want your No2 keeper to get some actual match time behind your regular defense just to give a young keeper some experience and see how he reacts. What really is the point of playing Joe Hart?
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 9, 2015 17:47:10 GMT
I have no idea what Roy's thinking is on this one...meaningless game against poor opposition, surely you want your No2 keeper to get some actual match time behind your regular defense just to give a young keeper some experience and see how he reacts. What really is the point of playing Joe Hart? No quiet meaningless, a win would have us top seeds in the euro's. Jack will start v Lithuania |
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 9, 2015 17:54:16 GMT
I have no idea what Roy's thinking is on this one...meaningless game against poor opposition, surely you want your No2 keeper to get some actual match time behind your regular defense just to give a young keeper some experience and see how he reacts. What really is the point of playing Joe Hart? No quiet meaningless, a win would have us top seeds in the euro's. Jack will start v Lithuania I hadn't realised we were in danger of not finishing top of a shite group but fair point, lets hope he gives Jack some game time in an actual qualifier rather than a friendly |
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 9, 2015 18:03:15 GMT
I have no idea what Roy's thinking is on this one...meaningless game against poor opposition, surely you want your No2 keeper to get some actual match time behind your regular defense just to give a young keeper some experience and see how he reacts. What really is the point of playing Joe Hart? No quiet meaningless, a win would have us top seeds in the euro's. Jack will start v Lithuania How's that work? Won't the seeding be based on FIFA ranking? |
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 9, 2015 18:07:23 GMT
From a purely selfish Stoke-centric point of view, after what happened to Given I want Jack to be wrapped up in cotton wool
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 9, 2015 18:14:44 GMT
No quiet meaningless, a win would have us top seeds in the euro's. Jack will start v Lithuania How's that work? Won't the seeding be based on FIFA ranking? When the groups are picked in the tournament seedings are not involved but how they perform in the group stages France automatically in pot 1. England win tonight they will guarantee they are one of the 6 top seeds. |
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Post by Ayupshag on Oct 9, 2015 18:19:37 GMT
Said it before and I'll say it again. Fuck woy and fuck his team
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 9, 2015 18:23:21 GMT
The difference between jack and asmir is simple, jack can catch a football
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Post by robstokie on Oct 9, 2015 18:23:56 GMT
Unfortunately, Woy has his favourites, who will play every match. That aside, what is the point of playing the likes of Joe Hart in a dead-wood game such as this, theres nothing at stake, plus he could have given young Butland some game time.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 9, 2015 21:04:28 GMT
I have no idea what Roy's thinking is on this one...meaningless game against poor opposition, surely you want your No2 keeper to get some actual match time behind your regular defense just to give a young keeper some experience and see how he reacts. What really is the point of playing Joe Hart? No quiet meaningless, a win would have us top seeds in the euro's. Jack will start v Lithuania As I say Butland will start v Lithuania |
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Post by petemac on Oct 9, 2015 21:07:52 GMT
England/Mann City have a great keeper no doubt, but our Jack is right there as his replacement. If anything, Jack will make him perform better because he will know he will be replaced by another world class keeper.
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 9, 2015 21:10:33 GMT
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 9, 2015 21:12:53 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 9, 2015 21:25:51 GMT
It's neither here nor there whether Butland or Hart was picked tonight, surely? I don't see how playing Hart is unreasonable.
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Post by bertieb on Oct 9, 2015 21:40:55 GMT
Jack will play the next game purely due to the fact it is on a plastic pitch and Hart has already been in the press saying how he has to watch his back and body etc, owl face will make sure he won't risk him hurting himself and will play Jack for that reason and nothing else.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2015 21:55:37 GMT
The difference between jack and asmir is simple, jack can catch a football I've seen a few people say this. Since when couldn't Bego? People really do have short memories. |
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