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Sept 3, 2015 12:47:32 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 3, 2015 12:47:32 GMT
It wasn't all that long ago that Angela Merkel was calling for stricter immigration rules then all of a sudden Germanys doors are wide open.
By encouraging refugees/migrants into Germany and painting themselves as Mr & Mrs Compassion they are surely just creating massive problems for everyone else.
Sooner or later Merkel will be telling us to take a few hundred thousand here and a few hundred thousand there.
This is on top of the deeply divisive policy of allowing free movement of labour within the EU which has seen about 2 million Poles/Serbs/Croats etc enter the UK over the last 10 years.
Add into this explosive mix deep spending cuts which affect those at the bottom of society much more than anyone else.
And the move to The Right politically across Europe for example UKIP in the UK.
What are Germany playing at?
It just doesn't make any sense..
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Post by desman2 on Sept 3, 2015 14:02:03 GMT
Merkel can fuck off. As Berlusconi called her " shes an unfuckable lard arse "
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:46:00 GMT
It wasn't all that long ago that Angela Merkel was calling for stricter immigration rules then all of a sudden Germanys doors are wide open. By encouraging refugees/migrants into Germany and painting themselves as Mr & Mrs Compassion they are surely just creating massive problems for everyone else. Sooner or later Merkel will be telling us to take a few hundred thousand here and a few hundred thousand there. This is on top of the deeply divisive policy of allowing free movement of labour within the EU which has seen about 2 million Poles/Serbs/Croats etc enter the UK over the last 10 years. Add into this explosive mix deep spending cuts which affect those at the bottom of society much more than anyone else. And the move to The Right politically across Europe for example UKIP in the UK. What are Germany playing at? It just doesn't make any sense.. An interesting point and one which I will attempt to expand on and make even more interesting . For starters , Cameron must seek to exploit this crisis for all its worth and do absolutely nothing , thus showing our reluctance to accept the Germans newly found PC correctness. & humanitarianism towards refugees . He should attempt to make as much mileage out of the current situation as he can . He must stay strong and not waiver . Perhaps encourage all other member states to join him in his stance against more mass immigration. Let's not forget another important point on our own shores either ....The Corbynisters .....Those of us who are on the left of the party and see no harm in taking more and more refugees . This type of person is just as dangerous as Merkel is .! Personally , I think the wick has been ignited and rather than go away this is likely to explode into a major humanitarian crisis the likes of which has not been seen since the end of the Second World War . The cracks are already beginning to show and divisions are getting bigger . This could be the very start of the end for the EU as we currently know it .
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Post by pearo on Sept 3, 2015 17:03:11 GMT
I'm not sure that the Germans will have a solution if their country becomes overrun with immigrants.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:34:17 GMT
They didn't have a problem last time .
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 3, 2015 19:55:14 GMT
Merkel can fuck off. As Berlusconi called her " shes an unfuckable lard arse " Lard arse maybe. Unfuckable? Speak for yourself.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 4, 2015 6:46:51 GMT
Just a thought.....where are the other Arabian countries in all this. Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Iran? Why aren't these refugees attempting to find sanctuary with their own ethnic groups. Our highest priority in UK has to be our security and ensuring that terrorists and economic migrants are kept out.
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Sept 4, 2015 7:56:05 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 4, 2015 7:56:05 GMT
Jordan and Lebanon are inundated with refugees and can't physically take any more. Iraq and Syria don't technically exist anymore thanks to ISIS/ISIL as the border between the two has been deliberately blurred. That's the whole point behind what ISIS/ISIL are trying to achieve
You COULD viably ask why Israel and Saudi Arabia are doing fuck all given the humanitarian crisis.
The answer to that tells you all you need to know. It's the one thing Jeremy Corbyn makes sense on.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 4, 2015 8:19:48 GMT
What are the US doing ?.
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Sept 4, 2015 8:20:32 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 4, 2015 8:20:32 GMT
Jordan and Lebanon are inundated with refugees and can't physically take any more. Iraq and Syria don't technically exist anymore thanks to ISIS/ISIL as the border between the two has been deliberately blurred. That's the whole point behind what ISIS/ISIL are trying to achieve You COULD viably ask why Israel and Saudi Arabia are doing fuck all given the humanitarian crisis. The answer to that tells you all you need to know. It's the one thing Jeremy Corbyn makes sense on. You could also argue that the vast majority of migrants are muslim and have difficulty intergrating into christian societies. I would imagine some of these young men would have been on the streets not long ago chanting "Death to USA" and "Death to Israel". Just a thought. Surely knee jerk short term solutions are just going to lead to massive long term problems.
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Sept 4, 2015 8:22:00 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 4, 2015 8:22:00 GMT
What are the US doing ?.
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Sept 4, 2015 8:46:20 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 4, 2015 8:46:20 GMT
What are Canada doing?
What are Australia doing?
What are New Zealand doing?
All countries with vast amounts of land in relation to their populations.
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Sept 4, 2015 8:56:09 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 4, 2015 8:56:09 GMT
What are the USA doing because them and their couple of lap dogs caused the problem
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 4, 2015 9:06:01 GMT
I'd like to hear Starkiller's views on this subject.
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Sept 4, 2015 9:09:22 GMT
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Post by clan2 on Sept 4, 2015 9:09:22 GMT
What are the USA doing because them and their couple of lap dogs caused the problem No oil to protect in Syria so they don't give a shite
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Sept 4, 2015 9:19:59 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 4, 2015 9:19:59 GMT
Merkel can fuck off. As Berlusconi called her " shes an unfuckable lard arse " Lard arse maybe. Unfuckable? Speak for yourself. Knew this was coming. V naive Desman...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 9:23:14 GMT
It wasn't all that long ago that Angela Merkel was calling for stricter immigration rules then all of a sudden Germanys doors are wide open. By encouraging refugees/migrants into Germany and painting themselves as Mr & Mrs Compassion they are surely just creating massive problems for everyone else. Sooner or later Merkel will be telling us to take a few hundred thousand here and a few hundred thousand there. This is on top of the deeply divisive policy of allowing free movement of labour within the EU which has seen about 2 million Poles/Serbs/Croats etc enter the UK over the last 10 years. Add into this explosive mix deep spending cuts which affect those at the bottom of society much more than anyone else. And the move to The Right politically across Europe for example UKIP in the UK. What are Germany playing at? It just doesn't make any sense.. An interesting point and one which I will attempt to expand on and make even more interesting . For starters , Cameron must seek to exploit this crisis for all its worth and do absolutely nothing , thus showing our reluctance to accept the Germans newly found PC correctness. & humanitarianism towards refugees . He should attempt to make as much mileage out of the current situation as he can . He must stay strong and not waiver . Perhaps encourage all other member states to join him in his stance against more mass immigration. Let's not forget another important point on our own shores either ....The Corbynisters .....Those of us who are on the left of the party and see no harm in taking more and more refugees . This type of person is just as dangerous as Merkel is .! Personally , I think the wick has been ignited and rather than go away this is likely to explode into a major humanitarian crisis the likes of which has not been seen since the end of the Second World War . The cracks are already beginning to show and divisions are getting bigger . This could be the very start of the end for the EU as we currently know it . Guess what's transpired since I wrote this ? Cameron has buckled under pressure from the media and that 'photo' ..... Cameron has succumbed and agreed to take in thousands more Syrians . Cameron has thrown away what I described as an opportunity to dig his heels in and to refuse any more immigrants . Is my criticism fair ....? You bet your fucking life and trousers it is . How many times have we read our Tory friends condemning the likes of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for increasing the number of people we allow into the country ? There is currently double the amount now entering , and what's even worse , we have now agreed to even more !! So what do we get out of all this .....? In a word ....More 'Fuzzies' of mixed racial backgrounds and regions . More overcrowding in our schools , a greater shortage of affordable housing , more green land being put under even greater pressure . This country has deliberately and unequivocally condemned itself to a policy of mass immigration as directed by Angela Merkel . Angela Merkel is effectively running this country , whilst David Arsewipe Cameron is running scared . Every time we get one media tear jerker that hits the fron pages , the whole country collapses in a heap of self conscience and doubt . That's the danger with Media and the general public ..... Gullible and naive . Millions are dying across the globe , but that photo has single handedly swayed public opinion . The end .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 9:31:50 GMT
Cameron had this one opportunity to gain some value ground on immigration .....and blew it without a moments fucking thought or hesitation .
Aided and abetted by William 'Tory boy ' Hague .
Absolutely pathetic . UKIP will gain another 4 million voters on this one decision at the next election ...make no mistake .
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Post by salopstick on Sept 4, 2015 9:36:40 GMT
An interesting point and one which I will attempt to expand on and make even more interesting . For starters , Cameron must seek to exploit this crisis for all its worth and do absolutely nothing , thus showing our reluctance to accept the Germans newly found PC correctness. & humanitarianism towards refugees . He should attempt to make as much mileage out of the current situation as he can . He must stay strong and not waiver . Perhaps encourage all other member states to join him in his stance against more mass immigration. Let's not forget another important point on our own shores either ....The Corbynisters .....Those of us who are on the left of the party and see no harm in taking more and more refugees . This type of person is just as dangerous as Merkel is .! Personally , I think the wick has been ignited and rather than go away this is likely to explode into a major humanitarian crisis the likes of which has not been seen since the end of the Second World War . The cracks are already beginning to show and divisions are getting bigger . This could be the very start of the end for the EU as we currently know it . Guess what's transpired since I wrote this ? Cameron has buckled under pressure from the media and that 'photo' ..... Cameron has succumbed and agreed to take in thousands more Syrians . Cameron has thrown away what I described as an opportunity to dig his heels in and to refuse any more immigrants . Is my criticism fair ....? You bet your fucking life and trousers it is . How many times have we read our Tory friends condemning the likes of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for increasing the number of people we allow into the country ? There is currently double the amount now entering , and what's even worse , we have now agreed to even more !! So what do we get out of all this .....? In a word ....More 'Fuzzies' of mixed racial backgrounds and regions . More overcrowding in our schools , a greater shortage of affordable housing , more green land being put under even greater pressure . This country has deliberately and unequivocally condemned itself to a policy of mass immigration as directed by Angela Merkel . Angela Merkel is effectively running this country , whilst David Arsewipe Cameron is running scared . Every time we get one media tear jerker that hits the fron pages , the whole country collapses in a heap of self conscience and doubt . That's the danger with Media and the general public ..... Gullible and naive . Millions are dying across the globe , but that photo has single handedly swayed public opinion . The end . that heartbreaking photo has been turned into propaganda
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 4, 2015 13:11:23 GMT
Over the last 10 years we've witnessed genocide in Rwanda..Burundi..Darfur and Sierra Leone.
Hundreds of thousands of children butchered and slaughtered.
No one lifted a fucking finger.
Yet with one photograph the whole Nation's mood has changed.
Of course it's propaganda.
And its been planted in the media by the Government who've suddenly become the Milkmen of Human Kindness.
It only goes to show how close the link between Press and Government is (edit*)
If David Beckham dyed his hair pink half the population would do the same because they haven't got the fucking brains to differentiate between fact and propaganda.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 4, 2015 13:13:16 GMT
Over the last 10 years we've witnessed genocide in Rwanda..Burundi..Darfur and Sierra Leone. Hundreds of thousands of children butchered and slaughtered. No one lifted a fucking finger. Yet with one photograph the whole Nation's mood has changed. Of course it's propaganda. And its been planted in the media by the Government who've suddenly become the Milkmen of Human Kindness. It only goes to show how close the link between Press and Media is. If David Beckham dyed his hair pink half the population would do the same because they haven't got the fucking brains to differentiate between fact and propaganda. You can add Bosnia to that. On our door step. Europe could have acted but chose not to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 13:34:36 GMT
But the very people who in the past have warned of the dangers of allowing ourselves be hoodwinked and guided by the media's carefully constructed and deliberate tactics of persuasion , are the very same people who will support the picture of the child on the beach and the awful images it portrays . They will be the very first ones to point out how all this is the fault of the west and how we all now need to take in as many refugees as we can . They will be gushing in ecstatic praise of the media in this one isolated instance . The fact that probably 80 % of the refugees who are there are actually fleeing from IS does not matter to them . They will quote the awful regime in Assad's Syria ....or the Wests support of his government previously .... They never seem to understand that the pace of life and death in the Middle East moves extremely fast and allegiances and break ups can happen in a matter of hours . The volatility and speed of change is not something that they can comprehend . Many like to talk about the period just after the war , or quote things that have happened under the Gadaffi regime or during Sadam Husseins time in Iraq.....
History ....Gone ....Yesterday .
When one Dicatator dies in the Middle East , another takes over the next day . When one group loses its grip on power , then another one takes over ....Its so quick , it's so deadly , that there's hardly time to even prepare a news report .
What all this means in effect , is that we in the West are constantly playing 'catch up' diplomatically as we have seen in our approach to Assad and Syria. At the beginning he was a respected figure ...then we have the protests and he was seen as the enemy . Then we discussed if we should wage war on him and back those against him .....which then amalgamated to form IS ......and so on and so forth . Fast moving ...double dealing ....corrupt Middle eastern politics .
Text. Book history in the Middle East is about as relevant as yesterday's weather forecast .
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 4, 2015 13:39:35 GMT
It only goes to show how close the link between Press and Media is.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 4, 2015 13:40:44 GMT
Some questions/points...
Why now? Why in the matter of weeks has so many decided that they must be in Europe? What has changed recently? Is it something driving them to leave (more so than a few months ago), or is it the offers from Europe bringing them here?
Why are so many of them only interested in Germany? If you want safety then surely any safe country is good for you?
This isn't a European problem. The rest of the world needs to help too.
In the short term these people need help. But potentially such a massive influx into Europe could cause massive problems in the short to medium term - when the current goodwill is forgotten about (and it will). The massive arrivals will cause problems with resources - homes, medical, education,... This has a massive potential to cause lots of problems across Europe if this isn't thought through properly (and the great haste - rightly - that this is happening - means it hasn't been thought through).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 15:17:15 GMT
Guess what's transpired since I wrote this ? Cameron has buckled under pressure from the media and that 'photo' ..... Cameron has succumbed and agreed to take in thousands more Syrians . Cameron has thrown away what I described as an opportunity to dig his heels in and to refuse any more immigrants . Is my criticism fair ....? You bet your fucking life and trousers it is . How many times have we read our Tory friends condemning the likes of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for increasing the number of people we allow into the country ? There is currently double the amount now entering , and what's even worse , we have now agreed to even more !! So what do we get out of all this .....? In a word ....More 'Fuzzies' of mixed racial backgrounds and regions . More overcrowding in our schools , a greater shortage of affordable housing , more green land being put under even greater pressure . This country has deliberately and unequivocally condemned itself to a policy of mass immigration as directed by Angela Merkel . Angela Merkel is effectively running this country , whilst David Arsewipe Cameron is running scared . Every time we get one media tear jerker that hits the fron pages , the whole country collapses in a heap of self conscience and doubt . That's the danger with Media and the general public ..... Gullible and naive . Millions are dying across the globe , but that photo has single handedly swayed public opinion . The end . that heartbreaking photo has been turned into propaganda unfortunately Al you're right...heartbreaking for us to see but manna from the heavens for the media circus and the politicians that will see it as nothing other than votebait as long as they're perceived to "Do the right thing" accordingly! it's this generations version of that crying, naked child running down the street in vietnam
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Sept 4, 2015 16:01:19 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 4, 2015 16:01:19 GMT
But the very people who in the past have warned of the dangers of allowing ourselves be hoodwinked and guided by the media's carefully constructed and deliberate tactics of persuasion , are the very same people who will support the picture of the child on the beach and the awful images it portrays . They will be the very first ones to point out how all this is the fault of the west and how we all now need to take in as many refugees as we can . They will be gushing in ecstatic praise of the media in this one isolated instance . The fact that probably 80 % of the refugees who are there are actually fleeing from IS does not matter to them . They will quote the awful regime in Assad's Syria ....or the Wests support of his government previously .... They never seem to understand that the pace of life and death in the Middle East moves extremely fast and allegiances and break ups can happen in a matter of hours . The volatility and speed of change is not something that they can comprehend . Many like to talk about the period just after the war , or quote things that have happened under the Gadaffi regime or during Sadam Husseins time in Iraq..... History ....Gone ....Yesterday . When one Dicatator dies in the Middle East , another takes over the next day . When one group loses its grip on power , then another one takes over ....Its so quick , it's so deadly , that there's hardly time to even prepare a news report . What all this means in effect , is that we in the West are constantly playing 'catch up' diplomatically as we have seen in our approach to Assad and Syria. At the beginning he was a respected figure ...then we have the protests and he was seen as the enemy . Then we discussed if we should wage war on him and back those against him .....which then amalgamated to form IS ......and so on and so forth . Fast moving ...double dealing ....corrupt Middle eastern politics . Text. Book history in the Middle East is about as relevant as yesterday's weather forecast . Hypocrites The media isn't to be trusted and neither is the establishment , unless they agree with the said agenda then everything they say it "spot on" The image was horrible and to use it as some kind of propaganda tool is disgusting but not at all surprising . I don't think it will change anyones mind on the refugee issue though , it certainly won't alter my opinion .
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 4, 2015 16:02:11 GMT
It seems Farage predicted this... www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/20/nigel-farage-opposes-eu-action-to-tackle-migrant-deaths-in-mediterranean"Nigel Farage has warned against “waves of millions” of people from Africa coming to Europe if the EU agrees a common policy for tackling migrant deaths in the Mediterranean." "But waves of millions of people coming from north Africa seeking a better life in Europe, if that links in on Thursday to a new common migration policy" So it looks as though Europe has basically said that we'll welcome all refugees - an open invitation to come to Europe. Then we seem surprised that millions take us up on the offer. There will be many people who do need our hospitality and our protection, but many will be wanting to take the offer of a better life in Europe.
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Sept 4, 2015 16:26:21 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 4, 2015 16:26:21 GMT
It seems Farage predicted this... www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/20/nigel-farage-opposes-eu-action-to-tackle-migrant-deaths-in-mediterranean"Nigel Farage has warned against “waves of millions” of people from Africa coming to Europe if the EU agrees a common policy for tackling migrant deaths in the Mediterranean." "But waves of millions of people coming from north Africa seeking a better life in Europe, if that links in on Thursday to a new common migration policy" So it looks as though Europe has basically said that we'll welcome all refugees - an open invitation to come to Europe. Then we seem surprised that millions take us up on the offer. There will be many people who do need our hospitality and our protection, but many will be wanting to take the offer of a better life in Europe. As inevitable as night following day somehow UKIP have become the arbiters of natural justice. You only have to look at who UKIP's core vote base is to understand that they know very little about the issue itself. Ultimately because the people who vote for them don't need to know either. It doesn't taken a lot of digging to establish what the U.S. is doing on a humanitarian level. It's been mentioned in a previous thread for staters.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 4, 2015 16:30:47 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 4, 2015 17:04:29 GMT
Doing what they always do ,making money from reconstructing all the stuff they blew up in the beginning
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