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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 18:58:16 GMT
Fookin he'll we're doing more on this thread to help the national team than the FA have done for donkeys years. If some simple blokes sitting on their sofa can come up with ideas that would help develop young players, why the fuck have they done the square root of fuck all for the last 30 or 40 years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 19:02:05 GMT
Fookin he'll we're doing more on this thread to help the national team than the FA have done for donkeys years. If some simple blokes sitting on their sofa can come up with ideas that would help develop young players, why the fuck have they done the square root of fuck all for the last 30 or 40 years. Signing 2 Spaniards who could potentially block 2 Englishmens paths into the game? We're ace!
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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 19:06:10 GMT
Fookin he'll we're doing more on this thread to help the national team than the FA have done for donkeys years. If some simple blokes sitting on their sofa can come up with ideas that would help develop young players, why the fuck have they done the square root of fuck all for the last 30 or 40 years. Signing 2 Spaniards who could potentially block 2 Englishmens paths into the game? We're ace! No you're missing the point Bayern. I'm saying we're ace as in us silly fuckers sat posting and discussing ideas on here not Stoke they're ace but for other reasons.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 19:09:57 GMT
Signing 2 Spaniards who could potentially block 2 Englishmens paths into the game? We're ace! No you're missing the point Bayern. I'm saying we're ace as in us silly fuckers sat posting and discussing ideas on here not Stoke they're ace but for other reasons. I got the point, I was being facetious! Well sort of, signing all of these young foreign players is cool but they are potentially blocking young English players pathways to the game. And unlike the first you can't argue about price etc. I just hope in the years to come and as the younger ages are hopefully getting better we have a focus on young talent from the immediate area.
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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 19:19:28 GMT
No you're missing the point Bayern. I'm saying we're ace as in us silly fuckers sat posting and discussing ideas on here not Stoke they're ace but for other reasons. I got the point, I was being facetious! Well sort of, signing all of these young foreign players is cool but they are potentially blocking young English players pathways to the game. And unlike the first you can't argue about price etc. I just hope in the years to come and as the younger ages are hopefully getting better we have a focus on young talent from the immediate area. Yeah ofcourse it would be very nice however we neglected the youth set up for so long we're working at a disadvantage. We're cheating a bit and picking up young players that clubs have developed since 8 or 9 years old. Hopefully in time we'll produce some of our own, nothing would give me more pride. Just imagine producing a Denis or a Wilko(know he wasn't in the same class) produced by the club and stays at the club his entire career, its a beautiful thought.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 19:26:22 GMT
I got the point, I was being facetious! Well sort of, signing all of these young foreign players is cool but they are potentially blocking young English players pathways to the game. And unlike the first you can't argue about price etc. I just hope in the years to come and as the younger ages are hopefully getting better we have a focus on young talent from the immediate area. Yeah ofcourse it would be very nice however we neglected the youth set up for so long we're working at a disadvantage. We're cheating a bit and picking up young players that clubs have developed since 8 or 9 years old. Hopefully in time we'll produce some of our own, nothing would give me more pride. Just imagine producing a Denis or a Wilko(know he wasn't in the same class) produced by the club and stays at the club his entire career, its a beautiful thought. I am glad we're signing a higher class of reject now and indeed I don't think any of these are rejects although I'm not sure Real would have been overly keen on keeping Molina with their C side going. That's the difference from only a few years ago, we were only signing players other clubs didn't think were good enough for the U-21's. Which made the whole U-21 side just look like a box ticking exercise. We still do that but to a lesser extent now and with it we are signing some higher class individuals like these 4.
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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 20:15:15 GMT
Yeah ofcourse it would be very nice however we neglected the youth set up for so long we're working at a disadvantage. We're cheating a bit and picking up young players that clubs have developed since 8 or 9 years old. Hopefully in time we'll produce some of our own, nothing would give me more pride. Just imagine producing a Denis or a Wilko(know he wasn't in the same class) produced by the club and stays at the club his entire career, its a beautiful thought. I am glad we're signing a higher class of reject now and indeed I don't think any of these are rejects although I'm not sure Real would have been overly keen on keeping Molina with their C side going. That's the difference from only a few years ago, we were only signing players other clubs didn't think were good enough for the U-21's. Which made the whole U-21 side just look like a box ticking exercise. We still do that but to a lesser extent now and with it we are signing some higher class individuals like these 4. I take it from that and I really wouldn't know that we still aren't doing enough to identify and nurture the best local talent from aged 10 or under. If not what's stopping us the facilities are top notch, what do we need to do differently to produce players like Everton for example?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 20:17:37 GMT
I am glad we're signing a higher class of reject now and indeed I don't think any of these are rejects although I'm not sure Real would have been overly keen on keeping Molina with their C side going. That's the difference from only a few years ago, we were only signing players other clubs didn't think were good enough for the U-21's. Which made the whole U-21 side just look like a box ticking exercise. We still do that but to a lesser extent now and with it we are signing some higher class individuals like these 4. I take it from that and I really wouldn't know that we still aren't doing enough to identify and nurture the best local talent from aged 10 or under. If not what's stopping us the facilities are top notch, what do we need to do differently to produce players like Everton for example? Everton have taken a lot of talent from the Stoke-on-Trent area in the past bizarrely enough, probably got more chance of competing these days but we're still playing catch up with the big boys
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 20:19:55 GMT
I am glad we're signing a higher class of reject now and indeed I don't think any of these are rejects although I'm not sure Real would have been overly keen on keeping Molina with their C side going. That's the difference from only a few years ago, we were only signing players other clubs didn't think were good enough for the U-21's. Which made the whole U-21 side just look like a box ticking exercise. We still do that but to a lesser extent now and with it we are signing some higher class individuals like these 4. I take it from that and I really wouldn't know that we still aren't doing enough to identify and nurture the best local talent from aged 10 or under. If not what's stopping us the facilities are top notch, what do we need to do differently to produce players like Everton for example? Oooooh no, quite the opposite apparently! We're going in the right direction.
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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 20:28:18 GMT
I take it from that and I really wouldn't know that we still aren't doing enough to identify and nurture the best local talent from aged 10 or under. If not what's stopping us the facilities are top notch, what do we need to do differently to produce players like Everton for example? Oooooh no, quite the opposite apparently! We're going in the right direction. I really hope so. Simply taking talented local kids and giving them a good education and trying to turn them into professional footballers at whatever level seems like football putting a bit of something back into the communities that support it. I know they get the vast majority of the money from Sky and the like but if people didn't subscribe to Sky to watch it the money wouldn't be there would it.
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Post by alster on Sept 3, 2015 20:35:28 GMT
I take it from that and I really wouldn't know that we still aren't doing enough to identify and nurture the best local talent from aged 10 or under. If not what's stopping us the facilities are top notch, what do we need to do differently to produce players like Everton for example? Everton have taken a lot of talent from the Stoke-on-Trent area in the past bizarrely enough, probably got more chance of competing these days but we're still playing catch up with the big boys Never mind the big boys, have we caught up with Crewe yet, would the average talented youngster stand a better chance with us than them? Are the coaches any good? Shame we ever lost Noel Blake, is he still involved with England?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 20:42:31 GMT
Everton have taken a lot of talent from the Stoke-on-Trent area in the past bizarrely enough, probably got more chance of competing these days but we're still playing catch up with the big boys Never mind the big boys, have we caught up with Crewe yet, would the average talented youngster stand a better chance with us than them? Are the coaches any good? Shame we ever lost Noel Blake, is he still involved with England? From what I've been told (don't want to go into the details tbh).........don't worry! Obviously with the age they are, anything could happen but with a good wind and crossed fingers!
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Post by slother on Sept 3, 2015 20:48:06 GMT
I think the lesson is that the clubs aren't going to do it themselves without regulations enforced on them. As Bayern says, even Stoke - who are generally better than average community-wise - will seek the best talent wherever they can find it. How about 2 of the 7 subs have to be under 21 and have been contracted to the club for at least 3 years!?
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Post by ayem on Sept 3, 2015 21:35:38 GMT
Yeah thanks for that Rob. If by any chance you could keep us posted on their progress it would be appreciated. I'd love to see one of the youngster make the bench every week, I really think it would be a good policy. Surely on a seven player bench there's room for one kiddy, give one of the first steamers a weekend off. It would be really good for them to experience being in the squad on a game day, who knows give them some minutes pitch time if the game situation allows. I'm sure it would not only help them but also help us attract more of their ilk and isn't really a massive price to pay in terms of the match day squad. No weekend off, but I like the idea of crouch heading down and helping coach. Be good for the players to here from veterans.
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Post by ayem on Sept 3, 2015 21:37:23 GMT
No you're missing the point Bayern. I'm saying we're ace as in us silly fuckers sat posting and discussing ideas on here not Stoke they're ace but for other reasons. I got the point, I was being facetious! Well sort of, signing all of these young foreign players is cool but they are potentially blocking young English players pathways to the game. And unlike the first you can't argue about price etc. I just hope in the years to come and as the younger ages are hopefully getting better we have a focus on young talent from the immediate area. I disagree, foreign GOOD players will help with the training of others. Both in other positions and fighting for the job. You only learn from those that are better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 21:41:36 GMT
I got the point, I was being facetious! Well sort of, signing all of these young foreign players is cool but they are potentially blocking young English players pathways to the game. And unlike the first you can't argue about price etc. I just hope in the years to come and as the younger ages are hopefully getting better we have a focus on young talent from the immediate area. I disagree, foreign GOOD players will help with the training of others. Both in other positions and fighting for the job. You only learn from those that are better. I think though it's been pretty much proven that what goes on in this country has gone beyond that.
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Post by ayem on Sept 3, 2015 21:50:00 GMT
I disagree, foreign GOOD players will help with the training of others. Both in other positions and fighting for the job. You only learn from those that are better. I think though it's been pretty much proven that what goes on in this country has gone beyond that. That's fair, I was thinking of the idea of older, better players coming to mls and homegrown players benefiting. Bits it's Apples and oranges if I really think on it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2015 21:52:39 GMT
I think though it's been pretty much proven that what goes on in this country has gone beyond that. That's fair, I was thinking of the idea of older, better players coming to mls and homegrown players benefiting. Bits it's Apples and oranges if I really think on it. It depends if you think the MLS is a healthy league or not I guess. I don't. There's too much disparity for my liking and you can see why they nearly had the players strike over pay. Most earn what Joe Bloggs does in normal life or a tad over (which is fine) but then you have a Kaka on 7 million a year. I'm just not a massive fan of top down approaches in general though.
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