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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 14:36:32 GMT
We say this most years before we go the Emirates. The charity will be in force no doubt! Positivity right there
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 14:36:44 GMT
Just had a £20 investment with Victor @ 14/1 after all it is only a 3 horse race if you include the draw and 14s is a bit of an insult Uncle Pete has us at only 9/1 That online?
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Post by clan2 on Sept 2, 2015 14:45:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2015 14:47:04 GMT
We say this most years before we go the Emirates. The charity will be in force no doubt! Positivity right there It's what kills yer!
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Post by sheriff on Sept 2, 2015 15:13:07 GMT
It's not impossible whatsoever. Form is everything, and we're on poor form, but in my opinion on paper. We've been unlucky this season (should have got a point against Liverpool, should have beaten West Brom) whereas they've been lucky on the whole. Lucky against Palace, lucky against Liverpool and very lucky against Newcastle. If we can play like West Ham did, their luck will run out. Seems a bit of a rose-tinted view. Not sure how you define "luck" but I did watch your Norwich game and they had enough chances to absolutely slaughter you but you still got a point. Spurs should have beaten you despite your late rally. Liverpool shaded your encounter at the Brittania and scored a fantastic strike. That's not being unlucky. Our only real period of "luck" this season was in a very ragged 20 minute period in the first half against Liverpool in a game we otherwise dominated with double their attempts, almost 70% possession and a good goal by Ramsey wrongly ruled out for offside. We had enough chances to hand Palace a good thrashing despite their resilience. I'm not sure on what planet that was lucky. We've conceded the least shots in the league this season while topping the table for possession and territory and chances created. We've just lacked a little efficiency upfront and the opposition (except Liverpool) have been the total opposite, scoring from very few chances.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 15:15:52 GMT
It's not impossible whatsoever. Form is everything, and we're on poor form, but in my opinion on paper. We've been unlucky this season (should have got a point against Liverpool, should have beaten West Brom) whereas they've been lucky on the whole. Lucky against Palace, lucky against Liverpool and very lucky against Newcastle. If we can play like West Ham did, their luck will run out. Seems a bit of a rose-tinted view. Not sure how you define "luck" but I did watch your Norwich game and they had enough chances to absolutely slaughter you but you still got a point. Spurs should have beaten you despite your late rally. Liverpool shaded your encounter at the Brittania and scored a fantastic strike. That's not being unlucky. Our only real period of "luck" this season was in a very ragged 20 minute period in the first half against Liverpool in a game we otherwise dominated with double their attempts, almost 70% possession and a good goal by Ramsey wrongly ruled out for offside. We had enough chances to hand Palace a good thrashing despite their resilience. I'm not sure on what planet that was lucky. We've conceded the least shots in the league this season while topping the table for possession and territory and chances created. We've just lacked a little efficiency upfront and the opposition (except Liverpool) have been the total opposite, scoring from very few chances. Ahhh, so the Newcastle game wasn't luck then? That red card? Was a bit of a Wenger special if you ask me.
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Post by sheriff on Sept 2, 2015 15:24:48 GMT
The West Ham game proved they're not unbeatable at home. They were thoroughly taken to pieces and it should have been more. Defensively, Wenger appears to be incredibly indecisive about his best centre back pairing. West Ham had like 3 chances and scored twice from 2 clangers from Cech. And their keeper finished man-of-the-match. I'm not sure of what planet they took anyone to pieces. They were well organized and defended well. And Arsenal's CB pairing is well settled. Koscielny and Mertesacker's injuries is what has kept them out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 15:29:31 GMT
I haven't seen any reason to be optimistic of getting a result at Arsenal this time. We always roll over and die at The Emirates,even when we're in form,why should this time be any different ?
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 15:29:58 GMT
The West Ham game proved they're not unbeatable at home. They were thoroughly taken to pieces and it should have been more. Defensively, Wenger appears to be incredibly indecisive about his best centre back pairing. West Ham had like 3 chances and scored twice from 2 clangers from Cech. And their keeper finished man-of-the-match. I'm not sure of what planet they took anyone to pieces. They were well organized and defended well. And Arsenal's CB pairing is well settled. Koscielny and Mertesacker's injuries is what has kept them out. Oh god, you're not going to start playing the victim and accuse West Ham of playing long ball rugby are you?
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Post by sheriff on Sept 2, 2015 15:34:12 GMT
Ahhh, so the Newcastle game wasn't luck then? That red card? Was a bit of a Wenger special if you ask me. Was a borderline decision. Certainly a yellow. Perhaps, a little less than a red. Many pundits couldn't even agree whether it was a red or not. They certainly unanimously agreed we should have had the biggest denied stonewall penalty you'll see this season. Had we scored that, we wouldn't have had Newcastle playing a 9-man defence for the rest of the game and all the wasted pace of Alexis, Ox and Walcott could have been better used. Fine margins and all that.
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Post by hartzchoco on Sept 2, 2015 15:34:19 GMT
At the risk of sounding too 'glass is half full', I'm thinking the two reds against WBA may prove to be a good thing. The fight we showed in the second half could carry over, and even prove to be the match that lit the fire. Get back some of that old 'us against the world' fighting spirit.
I'm making the call. We're going to the Emirates and bringing back all 3. Season turned.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 2, 2015 15:38:38 GMT
I heard/read that Arsenal havn't won at home for seven games and have only scored one goal in that time. This could be the equivalent to our last seasons Man City smash and grab. A filip to get the season underway. The last time Cameron scored in open play was a consolation goal at Arsenal {I think}. I fancy us to break the Emirates hoodoo this season. They won't know what to do with Diouf, we could have Shaqiri and Arnautovic returning triumphant from the International break, and Bojan featuring. Wasn't Wollscheid MoM against them last season? There is a general feeling about the Prem that game by game owt can happen, only Man City look dominant. It will happen. {fingers crossed.} last cameron goal from open play was away to villa to make it 4-1. The goal against arsenal tied it at 1-1, after Ramsey did his shush celebration, and we went on to lose 3-1. I agree with you that we can get points from this game, but I still wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by sheriff on Sept 2, 2015 15:40:25 GMT
Oh god, you're not going to start playing the victim and accuse West Ham of playing long ball rugby are you? Errrm....no, pay attention. I praised their organisation and defending while contradicting your claims that they "took us to pieces and should have scored more" which was a huge distortion.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 2, 2015 15:41:34 GMT
It's not impossible whatsoever. Form is everything, and we're on poor form, but in my opinion on paper. We've been unlucky this season (should have got a point against Liverpool, should have beaten West Brom) whereas they've been lucky on the whole. Lucky against Palace, lucky against Liverpool and very lucky against Newcastle. If we can play like West Ham did, their luck will run out. Seems a bit of a rose-tinted view. Not sure how you define "luck" but I did watch your Norwich game and they had enough chances to absolutely slaughter you but you still got a point. Spurs should have beaten you despite your late rally. Liverpool shaded your encounter at the Brittania and scored a fantastic strike. That's not being unlucky. Our only real period of "luck" this season was in a very ragged 20 minute period in the first half against Liverpool in a game we otherwise dominated with double their attempts, almost 70% possession and a good goal by Ramsey wrongly ruled out for offside. We had enough chances to hand Palace a good thrashing despite their resilience. I'm not sure on what planet that was lucky. We've conceded the least shots in the league this season while topping the table for possession and territory and chances created. We've just lacked a little efficiency upfront and the opposition (except Liverpool) have been the total opposite, scoring from very few chances. We had enough chances to win 3 games at Tottenham and we totally dominated the 2nd half save for one fantastic save from butland. Only in the world of an Arsenal fan commenting on stoke City could Liverpool be described as "shading it". They came for a 0-0, packed 10 men behind the ball and spent practically all game lumping it up to benteke. They scored from their only meaningful attempt at goal. We were shit at Norwich though. Chances are you'll win and win comfortably but it is no longer impossible to imagine us getting a positive result from a trip to the emirates.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 2, 2015 15:50:30 GMT
I heard/read that Arsenal havn't won at home for seven games and have only scored one goal in that time. This could be the equivalent to our last seasons Man City smash and grab. A filip to get the season underway. The last time Cameron scored in open play was a consolation goal at Arsenal {I think}. I fancy us to break the Emirates hoodoo this season. They won't know what to do with Diouf, we could have Shaqiri and Arnautovic returning triumphant from the International break, and Bojan featuring. Wasn't Wollscheid MoM against them last season? There is a general feeling about the Prem that game by game owt can happen, only Man City look dominant. It will happen. {fingers crossed.} last cameron goal from open play was away to villa to make it 4-1. The goal against arsenal tied it at 1-1, after Ramsey did his shush celebration, and we went on to lose 3-1. I agree with you that we can get points from this game, but I still wouldn't bet on it. Cheers. I loved the Cameron goal at Arsenal, started and ended the move with a beautifully guided shot. Off a rebound. I'd forgotten it drew us level. Wilson at DM, we were woeful defending Arsenal headers!
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Post by mcf on Sept 2, 2015 15:50:48 GMT
Seems a bit of a rose-tinted view. Not sure how you define "luck" but I did watch your Norwich game and they had enough chances to absolutely slaughter you but you still got a point. Spurs should have beaten you despite your late rally. Liverpool shaded your encounter at the Brittania and scored a fantastic strike. That's not being unlucky. Our only real period of "luck" this season was in a very ragged 20 minute period in the first half against Liverpool in a game we otherwise dominated with double their attempts, almost 70% possession and a good goal by Ramsey wrongly ruled out for offside. We had enough chances to hand Palace a good thrashing despite their resilience. I'm not sure on what planet that was lucky. We've conceded the least shots in the league this season while topping the table for possession and territory and chances created. We've just lacked a little efficiency upfront and the opposition (except Liverpool) have been the total opposite, scoring from very few chances. We had enough chances to win 3 games at Tottenham and we totally dominated the 2nd half save for one fantastic save from butland. Only in the world of an Arsenal fan commenting on stoke City could Liverpool be described as "shading it". They came for a 0-0, packed 10 men behind the ball and spent practically all game lumping it up to benteke. They scored from their only meaningful attempt at goal. We were shit at Norwich though. Chances are you'll win and win comfortably but it is no longer impossible to imagine us getting a positive result from a trip to the emirates. We never looked liked scoring against Liverpool. We were shit in the first half at Spurs. Shit at Norwich. Totally fucked up another game against SuperTone. It needs to change quickly. Hughes as always come through in the past so I've no doubt he will again but hanging around the bottom 3 and not playing up to the levels we are capable of is a fucking pain in the twat.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 2, 2015 15:50:53 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 2, 2015 15:54:59 GMT
We had enough chances to win 3 games at Tottenham and we totally dominated the 2nd half save for one fantastic save from butland. Only in the world of an Arsenal fan commenting on stoke City could Liverpool be described as "shading it". They came for a 0-0, packed 10 men behind the ball and spent practically all game lumping it up to benteke. They scored from their only meaningful attempt at goal. We were shit at Norwich though. Chances are you'll win and win comfortably but it is no longer impossible to imagine us getting a positive result from a trip to the emirates. We never looked liked scoring against Liverpool. We were shit in the first half at Spurs. Shit at Norwich. Totally fucked up another game against SuperTone. It needs to change quickly. Hughes as always come through in the past so I've no doubt he will again but hanging around the bottom 3 and not playing up to the levels we are capable of is a fucking pain in the twat. We could and should have been 2 up at spurs before they scored. That as may be the case v Liverpool, to say they shaded it is plain wrong. What few chances there were fell to us and lets not forget the blatant penalty we should have had which makes it a totally different game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 15:56:11 GMT
Seems a bit of a rose-tinted view. Not sure how you define "luck" but I did watch your Norwich game and they had enough chances to absolutely slaughter you but you still got a point. Spurs should have beaten you despite your late rally. Liverpool shaded your encounter at the Brittania and scored a fantastic strike. That's not being unlucky. Our only real period of "luck" this season was in a very ragged 20 minute period in the first half against Liverpool in a game we otherwise dominated with double their attempts, almost 70% possession and a good goal by Ramsey wrongly ruled out for offside. We had enough chances to hand Palace a good thrashing despite their resilience. I'm not sure on what planet that was lucky. We've conceded the least shots in the league this season while topping the table for possession and territory and chances created. We've just lacked a little efficiency upfront and the opposition (except Liverpool) have been the total opposite, scoring from very few chances. We had enough chances to win 3 games at Tottenham and we totally dominated the 2nd half save for one fantastic save from butland. Only in the world of an Arsenal fan commenting on stoke City could Liverpool be described as "shading it". They came for a 0-0, packed 10 men behind the ball and spent practically all game lumping it up to benteke. They scored from their only meaningful attempt at goal. We were shit at Norwich though. Chances are you'll win and win comfortably but it is no longer impossible to imagine us getting a positive result from a trip to the emirates. Well here's a Stoke fan who thought Liverpool shaded it. Spurs totally dominated us for an hour and should have been out of sight before we made our recovery. We were the better team at Norwich for 25 minutes then they slaughtered us. I haven't seen anything in our opening 4 1/2 games (didn't see 2nd half WBA) to suggest we'll get anything from Arsenal but football is a funny old game
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 15:58:42 GMT
Ahhh, so the Newcastle game wasn't luck then? That red card? Was a bit of a Wenger special if you ask me. Was a borderline decision. Certainly a yellow. Perhaps, a little less than a red. Many pundits couldn't even agree whether it was a red or not. They certainly unanimously agreed we should have had the biggest denied stonewall penalty you'll see this season. Had we scored that, we wouldn't have had Newcastle playing a 9-man defence for the rest of the game and all the wasted pace of Alexis, Ox and Walcott could have been better used. Fine margins and all that. Was a very harsh decision, but a typical big decision given to Arsenal. Roles reversed, I imagine you and your mates would have been throwing baguettes and half pint lager shandy's across whichever wine bar bistro you watch the games in.
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Post by sheriff on Sept 2, 2015 16:03:09 GMT
Was a borderline decision. Certainly a yellow. Perhaps, a little less than a red. Many pundits couldn't even agree whether it was a red or not. They certainly unanimously agreed we should have had the biggest denied stonewall penalty you'll see this season. Had we scored that, we wouldn't have had Newcastle playing a 9-man defence for the rest of the game and all the wasted pace of Alexis, Ox and Walcott could have been better used. Fine margins and all that. Was a very harsh decision, but a typical big decision given to Arsenal. Roles reversed, I imagine you and your mates would have been throwing baguettes and half pint lager shandy's across whichever wine bar bistro you watch the games in. "Typical"? Stop talking utter bollocks.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 2, 2015 16:04:00 GMT
We had enough chances to win 3 games at Tottenham and we totally dominated the 2nd half save for one fantastic save from butland. Only in the world of an Arsenal fan commenting on stoke City could Liverpool be described as "shading it". They came for a 0-0, packed 10 men behind the ball and spent practically all game lumping it up to benteke. They scored from their only meaningful attempt at goal. We were shit at Norwich though. Chances are you'll win and win comfortably but it is no longer impossible to imagine us getting a positive result from a trip to the emirates. Well here's a Stoke fan who thought Liverpool shaded it. Spurs totally dominated us for an hour and should have been out of sight before we made our recovery. We were the better team at Norwich for 25 minutes then they slaughtered us. I haven't seen anything in our opening 4 1/2 games (didn't see 2nd half WBA) to suggest we'll get anything from Arsenal but football is a funny old game The only game where we were genuinely poor was Norwich and we were very lucky to escape with a point. We had a really poor spell at spurs after their opening goal through to half time but we should have been ahead before they scored and second half we dominated and could have won it in the end. We haven't hit any sort of heights yet and clearly are capable of much better, but Norwich aside, which in isolation was a worrying performance, we've been nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 16:18:06 GMT
Was a very harsh decision, but a typical big decision given to Arsenal. Roles reversed, I imagine you and your mates would have been throwing baguettes and half pint lager shandy's across whichever wine bar bistro you watch the games in. "Typical"? Stop talking utter bollocks. It's not utter bollocks though is it? Are you telling me your lot don't get a good deal off the referees? You only have to look at the 3-2 at the Britannia last season, to see how the majority of decisions fall in your favour. Don't be offended mate, I am sure we'd all love for refs to give us the majority of decisions.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Sept 2, 2015 16:48:42 GMT
If it wasn`t for Butland we would have been hammered at Spurs and Norwich , so no I don`t think we will get anything but we live in hope. Jack The Lad did indeed have a good game at Spurs, as did their keeper, he also put in a performance at Norwich. That's what he's paid to do, stop the other buggers from scoring. It's not luck, it's about being a good keeper, that's why we bought him. As for Arsenal, I think we'll win. Having said that I think the same before every game. If we do win at Arsenal, I'll be there to see it, as I was the last time we won a league game away at Arsenal. Go on Stoke!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2015 16:58:36 GMT
Shawcross out and Bojan not likely to start, yeh, there'll be better chances.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2015 17:00:37 GMT
Shawcross out and Bojan not likely to start, yeh, there'll be better chances. I am talking from their perspective mostly.
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Post by penkvillepotter on Sept 2, 2015 17:17:57 GMT
Sorry, no chance. I'm going.
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Post by retired1 on Sept 2, 2015 17:22:05 GMT
If we bother to turn up as a team. Not seen much evidence of that over the years.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 2, 2015 18:26:31 GMT
Will we get a better chance to take away points off Arsenal? Lol .Never in a million years.We will get twatted as per usual.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Sept 2, 2015 18:45:48 GMT
Yes form is key. I'll have whatever metal heads on!!!
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