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Post by philb on Sept 1, 2015 19:43:28 GMT
Now that the windows finally closed, a simple question.
Is the starting 11 now stronger or weaker than last season.
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Post by potterblade on Sept 1, 2015 19:47:15 GMT
Butland Johnson Ryan (fit) Muniesa Pieters Whelan MVG (come good) Shaq Bojan Arnie (on form) Diouf
Is a dream team. The best I've known in 25 years by miles and miles and miles
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 1, 2015 19:50:38 GMT
TBH i would have been happy with last season's
Bego Cameron Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Whelan Nzonzi Bojan Moses Diouf Arnie
I am not convinced the latest strongest first XI comes close
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Post by Bombus on Sept 1, 2015 19:53:25 GMT
It's stronger now. Easily.
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Post by keasie1863 on Sept 1, 2015 19:58:12 GMT
Stronger. And i hope the team and hughes,ram all the negative shit,on this board, down the throats of certain posters.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 1, 2015 20:08:10 GMT
Assuming Ryan is not going to be available for a good part of the season and assuming also that Bojan will soon be fully fit I'd go like this -
But land
Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters
Whelan Van ginkel
Shaqiri Bojan Arnie
Diouf
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 1, 2015 20:10:07 GMT
We have a stronger first XI now when all fit, but a couple of crucial injuries could leave us plugging square pegs into round holes, and crossing our fingers!
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Post by Jimm on Sept 1, 2015 20:10:28 GMT
Weaker.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 1, 2015 20:12:36 GMT
Haugaard
Bardsley Wilson Wollscheid Teixera
Sidwell Ireland
Moha Adam Odemwingie
Crouch
#Champions2015/16
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 20:16:19 GMT
Now that the windows finally closed, a simple question. Is the starting 11 now stronger or weaker than last season. The fact of the matter is that nobody really knows. Is Shaqiri better than Walters? Yes Is Cameron better than Ryan? No But beyond that, we don't know if Van Ginkel will be better than N'Zonzi, whether Afellay will be better than Moses and even if, over the course of a season, if Johnson will be better than Cameron at right back. It's very much still up in the air. Potentially it could be fantastic but equally it could be a hard few months ahead.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 1, 2015 20:20:04 GMT
When everyone is fit-
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters V.Ginkel Whelan Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf
Then it is stronger.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 1, 2015 20:20:50 GMT
Now that the windows finally closed, a simple question. Is the starting 11 now stronger or weaker than last season. The fact of the matter is that nobody really knows. Is Shaqiri better than Walters? Yes Is Cameron better than Ryan? No But beyond that, we don't know if Van Ginkel will be better than N'Zonzi, whether Afellay will be better than Moses and even if, over the course of a season, if Johnson will be better than Cameron at right back. It's very much still up in the air. Potentially it could be fantastic but equally it could be a hard few months ahead. For me Afellay has no place in the team doesnt have the pace of a winger nor the strength of a midfielder a bit of a hybrid of both
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 1, 2015 20:23:01 GMT
When everyone is fit- Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters V.Ginkel Whelan Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf Then it is stronger. Same choice as mine but including Ryan whom I left out in view if his long term injury
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 1, 2015 20:35:33 GMT
There is not a massive difference in my opinion, Nzonzi is a loss but he wasn't perfect every game by any means. Shaqiri is a massive improvement on last season and will eventually shine as Bojan did. Ryan is obviously the biggest miss but hopefully he'll be back asap. So GK - not stronger or weaker, Butland has looked great already this season RB - Johnson has been very impressive and is a massive improvement on Bardsley (Cameron is suitable cover) CB - Pray for a fast recovery for Ryan but happy with Wilson, Muni & Cameron for a few months. Wolly looks a bit sluggish LB - No problems CDM - looks weak at the moment but I'm gonna give MVG some more time, Whelan just keeps getting better RM - Stronger with Shaq, Walters and Odemwingie CAM - Stronger with Bojan back, Ireland looks like he's up for it, Adam needs a bollocking for last week but will always score goals LM - weakest position IMO, when Arnie isn't up for it we don't have any natural left wingers. Maybe Shaq could play there sometimes with Walters on the right ST - Stronger is Joselu pulls through but certainly not weaker So for those who think we will be in a relgation scrap, think again! It will be similar to the last couple of seasons. Its been a very strange first 4 games, ignore the table until at least 10 in then start to worry if we're down there. We have only been poor for two halves, Spurs we got a kick up the arse at HT and Norwich knew it was games like that they need to win to stay up but we got a point! Looking forward to a trip to the Emirates on the 12th Sept
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Post by muglump on Sept 1, 2015 20:37:12 GMT
Stronger. And i hope the team and hughes,ram all the negative shit,on this board, down the throats of certain posters. Absolutely
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:37:44 GMT
When fit Butland Johnson Ryan muni erik Whelan mvg Arnie bojan shaq Diouf
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 20:38:12 GMT
Weaker.
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Post by keasie1863 on Sept 1, 2015 20:44:12 GMT
The fact of the matter is that nobody really knows. Is Shaqiri better than Walters? Yes Is Cameron better than Ryan? No But beyond that, we don't know if Van Ginkel will be better than N'Zonzi, whether Afellay will be better than Moses and even if, over the course of a season, if Johnson will be better than Cameron at right back. It's very much still up in the air. Potentially it could be fantastic but equally it could be a hard few months ahead. For me Afellay has no place in the team doesnt have the pace of a winger nor the strength of a midfielder a bit of a hybrid of both He wont have a place,with his ban coming up,i tend to agree,but i thought he was playing well against wba,until the bitch slap.so it will be interesting to see how well we do without him.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 1, 2015 22:40:44 GMT
Pretty much the same, at least compared to our starting xi after 5 games last season.
Compared to last season's begovic, butland has been as good maybe better. Johnson is a minor improvement on bardsley. The partnership of muni and cameron is about as effective as shawcross and Wilson, allowing a goal per match. Shaqiri looks the part, so did Moses. Diouf is more of a threat as the striker than crouch, and Arnie gets to start on the left where he is always more effective. At this point last season bojan was yet to settle, and Whelan got injured. nzonzi departure leaves big shoes to fill, hopefully MVG, who I believe has improved in every match for us, will grow into the role.
I'd say we are a little weaker right now, but stuff like injuries and suspensions could change my answer from week to week. I don't know if our best xi even actually played together last season because it look a while to find it and players like shawcross, Moses, bojan, cameron (he really was our best rb), muniesa, Diouf, and Whelan all had injuries or intl duty that kept them out for chunks of the season.
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Post by iloveglennwhelan on Sept 1, 2015 22:44:11 GMT
There is not a massive difference in my opinion, Nzonzi is a loss but he wasn't perfect every game by any means. Shaqiri is a massive improvement on last season and will eventually shine as Bojan did. Ryan is obviously the biggest miss but hopefully he'll be back asap. So GK - not stronger or weaker, Butland has looked great already this season RB - Johnson has been very impressive and is a massive improvement on Bardsley (Cameron is suitable cover) CB - Pray for a fast recovery for Ryan but happy with Wilson, Muni & Cameron for a few months. Wolly looks a bit sluggish LB - No problems CDM - looks weak at the moment but I'm gonna give MVG some more time, Whelan just keeps getting better RM - Stronger with Shaq, Walters and Odemwingie CAM - Stronger with Bojan back, Ireland looks like he's up for it, Adam needs a bollocking for last week but will always score goals LM - weakest position IMO, when Arnie isn't up for it we don't have any natural left wingers. Maybe Shaq could play there sometimes with Walters on the right ST - Stronger is Joselu pulls through but certainly not weaker So for those who think we will be in a relgation scrap, think again! It will be similar to the last couple of seasons. Its been a very strange first 4 games, ignore the table until at least 10 in then start to worry if we're down there. We have only been poor for two halves, Spurs we got a kick up the arse at HT and Norwich knew it was games like that they need to win to stay up but we got a point! Looking forward to a trip to the Emirates on the 12th Sept You have no idea what you're talking about mate
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 1, 2015 23:21:30 GMT
There is not a massive difference in my opinion, Nzonzi is a loss but he wasn't perfect every game by any means. Shaqiri is a massive improvement on last season and will eventually shine as Bojan did. Ryan is obviously the biggest miss but hopefully he'll be back asap. So GK - not stronger or weaker, Butland has looked great already this season RB - Johnson has been very impressive and is a massive improvement on Bardsley (Cameron is suitable cover) CB - Pray for a fast recovery for Ryan but happy with Wilson, Muni & Cameron for a few months. Wolly looks a bit sluggish LB - No problems CDM - looks weak at the moment but I'm gonna give MVG some more time, Whelan just keeps getting better RM - Stronger with Shaq, Walters and Odemwingie CAM - Stronger with Bojan back, Ireland looks like he's up for it, Adam needs a bollocking for last week but will always score goals LM - weakest position IMO, when Arnie isn't up for it we don't have any natural left wingers. Maybe Shaq could play there sometimes with Walters on the right ST - Stronger is Joselu pulls through but certainly not weaker So for those who think we will be in a relgation scrap, think again! It will be similar to the last couple of seasons. Its been a very strange first 4 games, ignore the table until at least 10 in then start to worry if we're down there. We have only been poor for two halves, Spurs we got a kick up the arse at HT and Norwich knew it was games like that they need to win to stay up but we got a point! Looking forward to a trip to the Emirates on the 12th Sept You have no idea what you're talking about mate I'm not your mate and neither is Glenn Whelan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 1, 2015 23:23:27 GMT
But land
Johnson Wilson Muniesa Pieters
Whelan Van ginkel
Shaqiri Bojan Arnie
Diouf
Looks good to me, but over all I don't think its much different.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Sept 1, 2015 23:27:18 GMT
Stronger, we will struggle get top 10 mind.
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Post by samba :) on Sept 1, 2015 23:30:22 GMT
Where's the 'mystery shrewd signing'
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 1, 2015 23:37:08 GMT
Stronger but everybody has improved and it will be more difficult this year. We have signed a lot of youngsters also so hopefully one or two may shine. Plus there's the January window to strengthen again!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2015 23:59:32 GMT
Weaker.
Our 3 best players from last season are missing : Nzonzi, Moses and Shawcross.
I think we'll be OK attacking wise once Shaqiri and Bojan are up to speed however but won't be solid until Shawcross and Van Ginkel are back / up to speed.
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Post by samba :) on Sept 2, 2015 0:03:11 GMT
Weaker. Our 3 best players from last season are missing : Nzonzi, Moses and Shawcross. I think we'll be OK attacking wise once Shaqiri and Bojan are up to speed however but won't be solid until Shawcross and Van Ginkel are back / up to speed. was moses really that good? He was rarely fit to play
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2015 0:11:25 GMT
Weaker. Our 3 best players from last season are missing : Nzonzi, Moses and Shawcross. I think we'll be OK attacking wise once Shaqiri and Bojan are up to speed however but won't be solid until Shawcross and Van Ginkel are back / up to speed. was moses really that good? He was rarely fit to play Yes he was, I'd rather have him than any of the wingers we have been linked with even Shaqiri.
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Post by steve66 on Sept 2, 2015 0:11:55 GMT
When fit
Butland
Cameron Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Whelan Van Ginkel '
Bojan Diouf Joselu Shaqiri
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Post by Gods on Sept 2, 2015 0:11:48 GMT
Whatever the starting 11 is it needs to start to come together real fast.
Its amazing to me that so much alleged talent produces so little.
4 matches in and we have exactly 2 Diouf headers and a soft penalty to show for it all.
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