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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 12:54:55 GMT
I don't know. Why can't it every other industry on the planet has to live with it. Most other industries don't have to pay Millions to aquire your services tho do they ? If you'd read the entire thread instead of nitpicking one post you'd know I was already aware of that and questioning its legitimacy.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 2, 2015 12:56:36 GMT
I can see both sides of this. I admire the Baggies for standing their ground but also feel for the lad being made to stay somewhere you don't want to be and having made that clear its going to be really unpleasant for him in his working life. Regardless of the ridiculous sums of money they are paid I'm not sure such a situation is fair from a human point of view. I really do think more than ever that pre agreed buyout clauses are the way forward for every player. Adding to my point I wonder if any player has thought of challenging the status quo under human rights legislation. Surely there must be a case to be heard. Sadly I'm no expert
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2015 12:58:23 GMT
Football is not a special case. Much of the world of employment does (as you say) work on the principle of an open contract where the employee can give a set amount of notice. But much of the world of employment (not just football) works on the principle of fixed length contracts. This is especially true of job where there is an international aspect to the work. Would you uproot your family and head off to another country - perhaps on the far side of the world - if you didn't have a fixed length contract of employment? As it happens the English born and bred son of the lady in my life lives and works in Thailand for an Anglo/US/German international renewable energy company. He was headhunted after university by several companies and chose the job he now has, not because they paid the most, but because they offered the length of contract which he felt most comfortable with. So if he decides he doesn't want to be in Thailand anymore he can't just give notice and go work somewhere else? If that's so it obviously shows my narrow horizons I always thought if you wanted to quit one job and move to another there really wasn't much anybody could do about it. In my experience even notice is courtesy, if you don't want to be somewhere you leave. No, of course he can't, what would be the point in a contract for x years, if it could just be broken by giving notice? In practice, if he was head hunted by another firm they would no doubt come to a compensation arrangement with his present employers - a bit like happens in football. The difference is that there isn't a greedy football agent to cream off 10% or 20% from both parties. The other difference is that in a conventional job (outside football) a young bloke who is good at his job doesn't usually "lose form" for no obvious reason. So most people on, say, 4 year contracts, continue to perform at a high level for the full life of the contract.
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 14:47:20 GMT
Football is not a special case. Much of the world of employment does (as you say) work on the principle of an open contract where the employee can give a set amount of notice. But much of the world of employment (not just football) works on the principle of fixed length contracts. This is especially true of job where there is an international aspect to the work. Would you uproot your family and head off to another country - perhaps on the far side of the world - if you didn't have a fixed length contract of employment? As it happens the English born and bred son of the lady in my life lives and works in Thailand for an Anglo/US/German international renewable energy company. He was headhunted after university by several companies and chose the job he now has, not because they paid the most, but because they offered the length of contract which he felt most comfortable with. So if he decides he doesn't want to be in Thailand anymore he can't just give notice and go work somewhere else? If that's so it obviously shows my narrow horizons I always thought if you wanted to quit one job and move to another there really wasn't much anybody could do about it. In my experience even notice is courtesy, if you don't want to be somewhere you leave. Re the last sentence. In one of my jobs, I had a 5 years contract. unfortunately, for 'family' reasons, I wanted to leave 5 months before it expired. So I had to pay up the 5 months notice (ie buy out my contract) in order to get my release. Luckily, I didn't do it very often!
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Post by AlliG on Sept 2, 2015 19:41:53 GMT
Turning back to Mr Berahino, I would suggest that it might be wise to take a colleague in to the shower with him for the next few days.
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 20:02:31 GMT
Turning back to Mr Berahino, I would suggest that it might be wise to take a colleague in to the shower with him for the next few days. That might require more explanation than his outburst requires?
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 20:11:29 GMT
So if he decides he doesn't want to be in Thailand anymore he can't just give notice and go work somewhere else? If that's so it obviously shows my narrow horizons I always thought if you wanted to quit one job and move to another there really wasn't much anybody could do about it. In my experience even notice is courtesy, if you don't want to be somewhere you leave. Re the last sentence. In one of my jobs, I had a 5 years contract. unfortunately, for 'family' reasons, I wanted to leave 5 months before it expired. So I had to pay up the 5 months notice (ie buy out my contract) in order to get my release. Luckily, I didn't do it very often! I never realised such things were fairly common and widespread. The only people I've ever known who've had to sign in for a number of years have been in the forces. Irrespective of contracts and discipline its a fairly stupid idea to keep people in a position in which they may be desperately unhappy. Remember the young man on the submarine who kept insisting he needed off it, nobody took any notice and he ended up shooting some Officers and colleges. It was a tragedy all round and entirely preventable. Families lost Father's and the young man will be an old man when he gets released from prison. I'm very glad I never had a job with such a tie in, I think the very idea that I was trapped, locked in for x number of years would stress and depress me.
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Post by alster on Sept 2, 2015 20:27:39 GMT
So if he decides he doesn't want to be in Thailand anymore he can't just give notice and go work somewhere else? If that's so it obviously shows my narrow horizons I always thought if you wanted to quit one job and move to another there really wasn't much anybody could do about it. In my experience even notice is courtesy, if you don't want to be somewhere you leave. No, of course he can't, what would be the point in a contract for x years, if it could just be broken by giving notice? In practice, if he was head hunted by another firm they would no doubt come to a compensation arrangement with his present employers - a bit like happens in football. The difference is that there isn't a greedy football agent to cream off 10% or 20% from both parties. The other difference is that in a conventional job (outside football) a young bloke who is good at his job doesn't usually "lose form" for no obvious reason. So most people on, say, 4 year contracts, continue to perform at a high level for the full life of the contract. I'd be more worried about a change in life situation or just realising you'd committed to do something or be somewhere that you found you hated. I moved to Kent with my previous job and missed home and family and really hated the place. Luckily I was able to secure a transfer before it drove me completely mad. If push came to shove at least I was free to leave and get another job. I was there for 2 years and I could not even contemplate what being forced to stay for say 5 years would have done to me. Hope your Lady's Son remains happy for the duration of his contract. My Son is at Uni studying Chemistry , I'd be horrified if he had to make such a commitment when he graduates.
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