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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 10:26:20 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting.
Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit.
The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either.
He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 10:37:28 GMT
This is the best thread I have read in ages on this shower of shite. Ironic how it's positivity is centred around a player that gets completely written off by the usual suspects on the forum who love whinging - none of them are posting on here!
Good to see people saying don't compare him to N'zonzi and i fully believe he will be even better. I don't think Steven would have ran himself into the ground like VG did at the weekend in the circumstances. I really think his performance could be the catalyst for some better form.
We need to get over N'zonzi, people are starting to sound like really weird ex girlfriends and the positivity on this thread is definitely what is needed, get behind the very bright players we have brought in. I cannot wait until the likes of bayernoatcake and benjibiscuit are silenced.
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Post by mailman44 on Sept 1, 2015 10:42:48 GMT
I just hope we can convince Chelsea to sell him to us. He is going to be a cracking player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 10:56:25 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting. Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit. The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either. He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol. He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space .
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 1, 2015 11:08:26 GMT
Certainly a player mark and his team rate very highly.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 11:37:58 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting. Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit. The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either. He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol. He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space . Maybe a bit harsh mumf? Stupid to judge any signing after 4 games....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:40:50 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting. Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit. The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either. He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol. He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space . Behave yourself.
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Post by Davef on Sept 1, 2015 11:40:53 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting. Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit. The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either. He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol. He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space . He's no Jamie Ness is he?
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 1, 2015 11:42:53 GMT
Certainly a player mark and his team rate very highly. Mark and his team think you know fuck all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:43:46 GMT
Van Ginkel - a work in progress - massive potential there - to dismiss him based upon what we've seen so far - completely blinkered and short sighted
Mark Hughes is playing the long game in some respects -this one definitely
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Post by philb on Sept 1, 2015 11:44:28 GMT
I just hope we can convince Chelsea to sell him to us. He is going to be a cracking player. What do all the people who think he's going to be a cracking player base there assumptions on? I'm not going to say he's shit etc as some have but I haven't seen anything that would describe him as a cracking player and a great signing yet + he'll go back to Chelsea in 10 months anyway. I hope he does come good by the way, just can't see it myself.
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Post by philb on Sept 1, 2015 11:45:33 GMT
Van Ginkel - a work in progress - massive potential there - to dismiss him based upon what we've seen so far - completely blinkered and short sighted Mark Hughes is playing the long game in some respects -this one definitely That's fair enough but he goes back to Chelsea in 10 months!
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 1, 2015 11:48:06 GMT
The positivity on this thread is so uplifting. Even compliments are thrown in just before or after saying he's shit. The lad is good in his own way, he's not N'Zonzi, he doesn't claim to be or pretend to be either. He will do a different job as Hughes has decided to change that second midfielder into another defencive one instead of a box to box to cover the fact that he wants all 4 of his front players to focus mainly on attacking, countering the drop of Walters (who I really hope we don't sell and just make him sit in the U-21's to teach him not to be greedy) lol. He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space . What a ridiculous, moronic comment.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 11:50:38 GMT
I just hope we can convince Chelsea to sell him to us. He is going to be a cracking player. What do all the people who think he's going to be a cracking player base there assumptions on? I'm not going to say he's shit etc as some have but I haven't seen anything that would describe him as a cracking player and a great signing yet + he'll go back to Chelsea in 10 months anyway. I hope he does come good by the way, just can't see it myself. The fact he has played for Chelsea and Milan? Shaqiri has played for Bayern and Inter and yet he is regarded as the best thing since sliced bread ( I love shaqiri btw lol). And Mark Hughes brought him in as he saw a player for our first team. His passing is good, the only thing letting him down so far is his lack of familiarity with the role he is being asked to play. That comes with games and time with your team mates. You really can tell that most people on this board know the square root of fuck all about football. And the whole point of him saying he hopes we convince Chelsea we can buy him was because he has to go back so what is your point there?
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 1, 2015 11:52:51 GMT
He is by far the worst signing we have made . A waste of space . What a ridiculous, moronic comment. It's just a ringing endorsement of the inability of fegg Hayes's unwillingness to widen their gene pool.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 11:55:26 GMT
What a ridiculous, moronic comment. It's just a ringing endorsement of the inability of fegg Hayes's unwillingness to widen their gene pool. If somebody had told me he was from Fegg Hayes sooner I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of replying to his idiotic post lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 12:02:38 GMT
With respect Phil B - no - subject to appearenes - Stoke City sign him in ten months
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Post by philb on Sept 1, 2015 12:04:27 GMT
What do all the people who think he's going to be a cracking player base there assumptions on? I'm not going to say he's shit etc as some have but I haven't seen anything that would describe him as a cracking player and a great signing yet + he'll go back to Chelsea in 10 months anyway. I hope he does come good by the way, just can't see it myself. The fact he has played for Chelsea and Milan? Shaqiri has played for Bayern and Inter and yet he is regarded as the best thing since sliced bread ( I love shaqiri btw lol). And Mark Hughes brought him in as he saw a player for our first team. His passing is good, the only thing letting him down so far is his lack of familiarity with the role he is being asked to play. That comes with games and time with your team mates. You really can tell that most people on this board know the square root of fuck all about football. And the whole point of him saying he hopes we convince Chelsea we can buy him was because he has to go back so what is your point there? He's only played 2 games for Chelsea and 17 for Milan though so that hardly shows his ability does it? As regards Shaqiri I haven't seen enough of him either to say that he'll be a success here. I hope they're both a success for us by the way, and just because someone disagrees with you regarding a player doesn't mean they know the 'square root of fuck all about football'
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 12:11:15 GMT
The fact he has played for Chelsea and Milan? Shaqiri has played for Bayern and Inter and yet he is regarded as the best thing since sliced bread ( I love shaqiri btw lol). And Mark Hughes brought him in as he saw a player for our first team. His passing is good, the only thing letting him down so far is his lack of familiarity with the role he is being asked to play. That comes with games and time with your team mates. You really can tell that most people on this board know the square root of fuck all about football. And the whole point of him saying he hopes we convince Chelsea we can buy him was because he has to go back so what is your point there? He's only played 2 games for Chelsea and 17 for Milan though so that hardly shows his ability does it? As regards Shaqiri I haven't seen enough of him either to say that he'll be a success here. I hope they're both a success for us by the way, and just because someone disagrees with you regarding a player doesn't mean they know the 'square root of fuck all about football' The fact that he is playing for these sides at all shows his ability, it isn't like he's only play for Wolves and Leeds or something, the lad is from the higher regions of football, you don't get there in the first place if you aren't good enough. De Bruyne couldn't get a bloody game for Chelsea and he has just been bought for £50m+ only a couple of years later. I apologise for that on the basis of you but in general you have to agree this board is pretty bad for people who know absolutely nothing.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 1, 2015 12:11:47 GMT
Been anonymous in almost all games and people have said 'we need to give him time.' What happens if we're saying that 20 games in? If we don't sign a centre midfielder today we will not finish 9th or higher.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 1, 2015 12:12:29 GMT
With respect Phil B - no - subject to appearenes - Stoke City sign him in ten months Is that so? Got to say if that is the case then that's better business than I thought. Any idea of the final fee Tone?
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2015 13:22:19 GMT
Been anonymous in almost all games and people have said 'we need to give him time.' What happens if we're saying that 20 games in? If we don't sign a centre midfielder today we will not finish 9th or higher. Yes he needs to play better before then. I'd like to see a few tackles from him and a bit more box to box to stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 13:54:06 GMT
Been anonymous in almost all games and people have said 'we need to give him time.' What happens if we're saying that 20 games in? If we don't sign a centre midfielder today we will not finish 9th or higher. You were off your twat in a field in the North West on Saturday when he was superb so you can behave yourself as well.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 14:38:20 GMT
I'm struggling to understand the stick this lad is attracting on here.
His biggest crime seems to be that he isn't Steven n'zonzi.
He was crap at Norwich along with many of his colleagues. Has he really been that bad in his other appearances?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:24:36 GMT
I'm struggling to understand the stick this lad is attracting on here. His biggest crime seems to be that he isn't Steven n'zonzi. He was crap at Norwich along with many of his colleagues. Has he really been that bad in his other appearances? 4 games in and people are writing him off. It's mad. I don't think that outstanding resistance last Saturday could have happened without 9 players playing WELL.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 1, 2015 15:27:58 GMT
At times I wouldn't have thought we only had 9 players on the pitch. last Saturday
Whelan and Van Ginkel worked extremely hard throughout - he is a good prospect imo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:28:11 GMT
No idea of the fee but there was a clause reported that depending upon appearences it is affected
dont know whether this makes him dearer or cheaper
I reckon (from what I read recently ) he is coming and the arrangement is in place
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 1, 2015 15:27:55 GMT
I'm not writing him off yet, but from what I have seen so far he is a weak link. He looks too lightweight in midfield, as he is only on loan I think I would give him some time on the bench and let him work his way back into the side. Cameron would be better in midfield and move Wilson back into Centre Half imo
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 1, 2015 15:31:40 GMT
No idea of the fee but there was a clause reported that depending upon appearences it is affected dont know whether this makes him dearer or cheaper I reckon (from what I read recently ) he is coming and the arrangement is in place That is just the loan fee/wages for eg. We don't play him thus not helping develop him and we pay say 2 million loan fee + 80% wages We play him regularly which develops him and we pay 1 Million loan fee + 40% wages. There's no reported deal in place for a permanent transfer.
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