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Post by liam007 on Aug 30, 2015 16:24:12 GMT
Alan Durban said it after a 0-0 away at Arsenal in 1980,reckon Pulis was at that game with a stiffy,But in all honesty was Durban any worse than Pulis,both got us into the top division.Personally always was a Alan Durban fan,35 odd years ago but the job he did was still better than anything Pulis did for us.
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 30, 2015 16:26:53 GMT
Every respect to Alan Durber as a player but his reputation as a manager?
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Post by alster on Aug 30, 2015 17:07:18 GMT
Alan Durban said it after a 0-0 away at Arsenal in 1980,reckon Pulis was at that game with a stiffy,But in all honesty was Durban any worse than Pulis,both got us into the top division.Personally always was a Alan Durban fan,35 odd years ago but the job he did was still better than anything Pulis did for us. Thoughts Never liked either. I think Pulis as a person is probably far more divisive and dislikeable. For me watching football has to be enjoyable, I'm not the type of person who thinks that the result is all that counts. If I were a Baggies fan I would not have enjoyed the game yesterday. Under both managers I think enjoyable games were few and far between. There is a lot of interest and a shitload of money in football nowadays and I don't think either would exist if the majority of manager had their attitude people just don't want to pay to be bored to death. |
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Post by jonnynico on Aug 30, 2015 18:34:49 GMT
thought that's where we were yesterday, we certainly had a clown with a whistle and a clown in a cap.
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Post by march4 on Aug 30, 2015 18:40:52 GMT
Every respect to Alan Durber as a player but his reputation as a manager? The most 'entertaining' football for goals scored at the Vic was during the holocaust season. Shame we didn't score any of them. Why did attendances dip to a pittance - because football has nothing whatsoever to do with entertainment. It is a results business and nothing else. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 18:53:18 GMT
Every respect to Alan Durber as a player but his reputation as a manager? The most 'entertaining' football for goals scored at the Vic was during the holocaust season. Shame we didn't score any of them. Why did attendances dip to a pittance - because football has nothing whatsoever to do with entertainment. It is a results business and nothing else. True, which was why our previous manager was shown the door. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 30, 2015 18:55:07 GMT
Seem to remember Jimmy Hill slaughtering him for that comment as well so nothings changed on MOTD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 19:00:13 GMT
It's so easy to become disenfranchised when you're not being entertained. I remember Hughes coming in and my dad saying about how he didn't think Pulis should've been sacked, he thought the most important thing was staying in the Premier League and little else really mattered. It's funny because then I remember saying I'll gladly see us relegated if it means competing in the championship playing entertaining football. Now Hughes is in the idea of relegation is frightening and I daren't even think about it because he has made me love watching Stoke in the Premier League so much. We are competing in this league. To summarise, entertainment is vital!  |
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Post by skip on Aug 30, 2015 19:02:48 GMT
It's not results versus entertainment its success versus failure.
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Post by The man from Utch on Aug 30, 2015 19:54:59 GMT
If i wanted to be bored i take exit 1 of the M5
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 30, 2015 20:01:10 GMT
Did Alan Durban sign Mark Chamberlain?
Or was it Barker??
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 20:01:21 GMT
Barker
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2015 20:11:02 GMT
If we can have a reasonable debate about Pulis, the surprise was the immediate positive substitution after the Adam sending off. They no longer needed a holding midfielder and he was immediately ditched for the extra forward, obvious but uncharacteristically positive.
Once they got the goal though it was Pulis tactics book page 1. They were absolutely horrendous and negative after that and could have easily been pegged back. They looked a really poor side. Rondin will keep them up though, proving that spending money is not the devils work some people on here would have you believe.
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Post by marcofstoke on Aug 30, 2015 20:21:40 GMT
Durban did a good job and doesn't get the credit he deserves,
Bear in mind that he joined us a week after the Blythe Spartans debacle!
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Post by The man from Utch on Aug 30, 2015 20:31:44 GMT
If we can have a reasonable debate about Pulis, the surprise was the immediate positive substitution after the Adam sending off. They no longer needed a holding midfielder and he was immediately ditched for the extra forward, obvious but uncharacteristically positive. Once they got the goal though it was Pulis tactics book page 1. They were absolutely horrendous and negative after that and could have easily been pegged back. They looked a really poor side. Rondin will keep them up though, proving that spending money is not the devils work some people on here would have you believe. Sheik i agree, but this is the year Pulis tastes the same pie many a Stokie's have tasted and the taste is very humbling. I hope he enjoys is away day at those promoted from league 1 |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 30, 2015 20:36:57 GMT
Didn't we sign a couple of players from the Vale at that time? Did we sign Neville as well or am I dreaming that? |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 20:43:01 GMT
If we can have a reasonable debate about Pulis, the surprise was the immediate positive substitution after the Adam sending off. They no longer needed a holding midfielder and he was immediately ditched for the extra forward, obvious but uncharacteristically positive. Once they got the goal though it was Pulis tactics book page 1. They were absolutely horrendous and negative after that and could have easily been pegged back. They looked a really poor side. Rondin will keep them up though, proving that spending money is not the devils work some people on here would have you believe. Mmmmm. He did wait until we were down to nine men, though yeah, he did it quickly and I thought perhaps Sparky could've acted a bit quicker himself by maybe putting Wilson on and pushing Cameron into midfield. Having said that, Johnson went off after an hour so we'd have had to rearrange things then anyway, but who knows, maybe we would have made it to half time? |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 20:44:41 GMT
Didn't we sign a couple of players from the Vale at that time? Did we sign Neville as well or am I dreaming that? Yeah, we signed Neville and also the goalkeeper Mark Harrison. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 30, 2015 20:49:55 GMT
Rolondon looked shite.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 30, 2015 21:10:02 GMT
Alan Durban said it after a 0-0 away at Arsenal in 1980,reckon Pulis was at that game with a stiffy,But in all honesty was Durban any worse than Pulis,both got us into the top division.Personally always was a Alan Durban fan,35 odd years ago but the job he did was still better than anything Pulis did for us. Thoughts We lost that game 2-0! Durban did great stuff for Stoke. He fancied himself as a bit of a Cloughie. Well, he seemed to model himself on him in his post match interviews (as I recall). |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 21:16:38 GMT
Alan Durban said it after a 0-0 away at Arsenal in 1980,reckon Pulis was at that game with a stiffy,But in all honesty was Durban any worse than Pulis,both got us into the top division.Personally always was a Alan Durban fan,35 odd years ago but the job he did was still better than anything Pulis did for us. Thoughts We lost that game 2-0! Durban did great stuff for Stoke. He fancied himself as a bit of a Cloughie. Well, he seemed to model himself on him in his post match interviews (as I recall). It was definitely the 0-0 game and it was 1979/80. The 2-0 defeat was the season after but the game wasn't on MOTD. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 30, 2015 21:19:15 GMT
26 Stoke Managers since Tony Waddington and exactly 2 of them managed to take us to the promised land, the 2 taciturn Welshmen, Alan Durban and Tony Pulis. Maximum respect to both, gave us our pride back  |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 30, 2015 21:21:41 GMT
We lost that game 2-0! Durban did great stuff for Stoke. He fancied himself as a bit of a Cloughie. Well, he seemed to model himself on him in his post match interviews (as I recall). It was definitely the 0-0 game and it was 1979/80. The 2-0 defeat was the season after but the game wasn't on MOTD. That's what I thought up to a couple of years ago, then I did some digging around and it appears it was the 80/81 season. This is from wikipedia that cites Tony Matthews excellent Encyclopedia of Stôke City as its source. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 21:31:06 GMT
It was definitely the 0-0 game and it was 1979/80. The 2-0 defeat was the season after but the game wasn't on MOTD. That's what I thought up to a couple of years ago, then I did some digging around and it appears it was the 80/81 season. This is from wikipedia that cites Tony Matthews excellent Encyclopedia of Stôke City as its source. Apologies, you are correct. Like Sergeant Muttley said, Jimmy Hill criticised us after the 0-0, but the clown comments were after the 2-0 defeat. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 30, 2015 21:34:53 GMT
That's what I thought up to a couple of years ago, then I did some digging around and it appears it was the 80/81 season. This is from wikipedia that cites Tony Matthews excellent Encyclopedia of Stôke City as its source. Apologies, you are correct. Like Sergeant Muttley said, Jimmy Hill criticised us after the 0-0, but the clown comments were after the 2-0 defeat. Well i've learnt something tonight dave because i thought the comments were after the 0-0 bore draw. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 30, 2015 21:39:01 GMT
If we can have a reasonable debate about Pulis, the surprise was the immediate positive substitution after the Adam sending off. They no longer needed a holding midfielder and he was immediately ditched for the extra forward, obvious but uncharacteristically positive. Once they got the goal though it was Pulis tactics book page 1. They were absolutely horrendous and negative after that and could have easily been pegged back. They looked a really poor side. Rondin will keep them up though, proving that spending money is not the devils work some people on here would have you believe. I agree with that, but the spending thing brings no guarantees. I think Diouf is possibly the best free ever. I'd rather him than a parade of other high fee strikers. We've bost the transfer/wage thing on Shaqiri. The wadge is there for the right ones. And Hughes' kudos is allowing us to explore different avenues/richer veins. I'm sure the budgets have been agreed, and Hughes is probably revelling in the opportunity to lay the media spectre of QPR to rest. I don't detect any dischord. Pieters, Arnie, Muniesa etc. The window could shut now for me, let's see what we've got. I took so many positives from the perfrmances yesterday of Cameron, Whelan, Arnautovic.. wrong to single players out really, they were all mint. A bit of over exuberance and stupidity away from handing out a thrashing yesterday. It bodes well. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2015 21:40:22 GMT
Apologies, you are correct. Like Sergeant Muttley said, Jimmy Hill criticised us after the 0-0, but the clown comments were after the 2-0 defeat. Well i've learnt something tonight dave because i thought the comments were after the 0-0 bore draw. Yeah, I think most people do because it ended 0-0, was on Match of the Day and Jimmy Hill had a go at us. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 30, 2015 21:49:16 GMT
the idea of relegation is frightening Why. Yes we'd lose a fortune in tv money but throughout our history we've been up and down the divisions. Relegation is nothing to be afraid of. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 30, 2015 21:49:42 GMT
26 Stoke Managers since Tony Waddington and exactly 2 of them managed to take us to the promised land, the 2 taciturn Welshmen, Alan Durban and Tony Pulis. Maximum respect to both, gave us our pride back McGrory, Waddington, Durban, Macari, Pulis and Hughes. Is that our list of better managers that we have endured. |
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Post by generationex on Aug 30, 2015 22:02:18 GMT
That's the top and bottom of it!
85 years and plainly the six most successful and there's people attacking two of 'em on one thread!
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