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Aug 29, 2015 22:54:39 GMT
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Post by Ayupshag on Aug 29, 2015 22:54:39 GMT
Having watched motd the standard of refereeing is absolutely fuckin shocking. Every game has shown ridiculous red cards, pens not given and just daft decisions by these fuckin imbeciles in charge of football matches. Not one of them has clearly played the game at any level. Oliver was in his mid 20s I think when he started in the prem!! How can a twat who clearly never got picked at school referee at the highest level when he's never played?? He's never played it so he doesn't know it. Something has got to change but I'm fucked if I know what the answer is
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Aug 29, 2015 23:03:18 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 29, 2015 23:03:18 GMT
Having watched motd the standard of refereeing is absolutely fuckin shocking. Every game has shown ridiculous red cards, pens not given and just daft decisions by these fuckin imbeciles in charge of football matches. Not one of them has clearly played the game at any level. Oliver was in his mid 20s I think when he started in the prem!! How can a twat who clearly never got picked at school referee at the highest level when he's never played?? He's never played it so he doesn't know it. Something has got to change but I'm fucked if I know what the answer is The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things
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Aug 29, 2015 23:11:00 GMT
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 29, 2015 23:11:00 GMT
The sending off of Noble for West Ham today is the most ridiculous decision of all. It's utterly insane. How can these fools be given the responsibility to have such a large influence on games when they're so inept?!
Oliver and even more so the fickle little turd of a linesman couldn't want to send off some Stoke players today. The linesman was waving his flag and stomping onto the pitch after the Adam tackle and was absolutely loving it. Infuriating.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:12:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:12:10 GMT
Having watched motd the standard of refereeing is absolutely fuckin shocking. Every game has shown ridiculous red cards, pens not given and just daft decisions by these fuckin imbeciles in charge of football matches. Not one of them has clearly played the game at any level. Oliver was in his mid 20s I think when he started in the prem!! How can a twat who clearly never got picked at school referee at the highest level when he's never played?? He's never played it so he doesn't know it. Something has got to change but I'm fucked if I know what the answer is The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things Youre the reason why football has gone wank.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:15:06 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 29, 2015 23:15:06 GMT
The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things Youre the reason why football has gone wank. Nope, it's called common sense! The game has changed and everyone (regardless of whether we like it) know what the limits are now. Common sense by our players would have meant 11 v 11 and a comfortable win. Also, I'm not quite sure why I'm now the sole reason with you're suggested decline in football! LOL!
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 29, 2015 23:16:30 GMT
Time to get rid. Fuck um off and get something else that works.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 29, 2015 23:18:27 GMT
The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things Youre the reason why football has gone wank. Exactly.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:19:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:19:58 GMT
Youre the reason why football has gone wank. Nope, it's called common sense! The game has changed and everyone (regardless of whether we like it) know what the limits are now. Common sense by our players would have meant 11 v 11 and a comfortable win. Also, I'm not quite sure why I'm now the sole reason with you're suggested decline in football! LOL! Because you (or people like you) have allowed the changes to happen. Happy to accept that the players needed to change rather than saying....No....this is a man's game, for men.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 29, 2015 23:22:20 GMT
Youre the reason why football has gone wank. Nope, it's called common sense! The game has changed and everyone (regardless of whether we like it) know what the limits are now. Common sense by our players would have meant 11 v 11 and a comfortable win. Also, I'm not quite sure why I'm now the sole reason with you're suggested decline in football! LOL! Because people like you accept it. People like you have let football go this way. Pundits, media, calling for every foul to be carded. Instead of saying no, a foul can be a foul, a booking would do, you have your belly tickled by the football circus. Bring back football.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:23:04 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 29, 2015 23:23:04 GMT
Nope, it's called common sense! The game has changed and everyone (regardless of whether we like it) know what the limits are now. Common sense by our players would have meant 11 v 11 and a comfortable win. Also, I'm not quite sure why I'm now the sole reason with you're suggested decline in football! LOL! Because you (or people like you) have allowed the changes to happen. Happy to accept that the players needed to change rather than saying....No....this is a man's game, for men. At no point have I said that I agree with the changes in football - you're simply assuming! Also, it doesn't seem that you have done much to prevent it from behind your keyboard fortress. We are where we are with "modern" football. With that in mind we need to look closer to home today first rather than take the easy option and blame the officials.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 29, 2015 23:25:17 GMT
We need to rotate foreign refs who have less knowledge about personalities, clubs and reputations - should be uber professional and very highly paid but equally subject to close scrutiny - plus 3rd eye for pens and carding
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Aug 29, 2015 23:25:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:25:25 GMT
Because you (or people like you) have allowed the changes to happen. Happy to accept that the players needed to change rather than saying....No....this is a man's game, for men. At no point have I said that I agree with the changes in football - you're simply assuming! Also, it doesn't seem that you have done much to prevent it from behind your keyboard fortress. We are where we are with "modern" football. With that in mind we need to look closer to home today first rather than take the easy option and blame the officials. I've done the only thing I can. I've stopped going. And the mere fact you suggest players should do things differently not only shows you agree with the changes but that you are bloody happy with them.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:29:49 GMT
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Post by imho on Aug 29, 2015 23:29:49 GMT
I think part of the problem is the players themselves adding extra pressure onto the refs. Not surrounding them but the cheating. Dives left right and centre. Appealing for every throw in and corner even if it clearly wasn't theirs. Look at noble today, yes it was a shit decision but ings went down like he'd been shot.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:31:55 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 29, 2015 23:31:55 GMT
At no point have I said that I agree with the changes in football - you're simply assuming! Also, it doesn't seem that you have done much to prevent it from behind your keyboard fortress. We are where we are with "modern" football. With that in mind we need to look closer to home today first rather than take the easy option and blame the officials. I've done the only thing I can. I've stopped going. And the mere fact you suggest players should do things differently not only shows you agree with the changes but that you are bloody happy with them. ... simply speachless ... on so many levels ... That's enough Oatcake for one night I think! My favourite player as a young kid was Roy Keane, therefore I OBVIOUSLY must love the way football is today.
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Aug 29, 2015 23:33:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:33:55 GMT
I think part of the problem is the players themselves adding extra pressure onto the refs. Not surrounding them but the cheating. Dives left right and centre. Appealing for every throw in and corner even if it clearly wasn't theirs. Look at noble today, yes it was a shit decision but ings went down like he'd been shot. I agree in some respect about the players but the refs have got to be better. Look at this video from 20 years ago and specifically the third goal and the tackle that leads up to it. This is proper football.
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2015 23:36:02 GMT
Having watched motd the standard of refereeing is absolutely fuckin shocking. Every game has shown ridiculous red cards, pens not given and just daft decisions by these fuckin imbeciles in charge of football matches. Not one of them has clearly played the game at any level. Oliver was in his mid 20s I think when he started in the prem!! How can a twat who clearly never got picked at school referee at the highest level when he's never played?? He's never played it so he doesn't know it. Something has got to change but I'm fucked if I know what the answer is The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things So our players shouldn't get themselves into a situation where they are cynically tripped from behind and then slapped on the face?
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Aug 29, 2015 23:38:25 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 29, 2015 23:38:25 GMT
The answer is for our players not to give officials the opportunity to send them off. Don't get in a situation that will force officials to make decisions. Both red cards were entirely preventable on our side of things So our players shouldn't get themselves into a situation where they are cynically tripped from behind and then slapped on the face? For Afellay it's simply, don't bloody react! He was hardly kung-fu kicked at head height was he?
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Aug 29, 2015 23:42:14 GMT
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Post by imho on Aug 29, 2015 23:42:14 GMT
Theloony1 - agree. Good skillful football with strong and fair tackles (don't know if true but I'd imagine a lot less diving / unsporting gamesmanship)
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Aug 30, 2015 5:39:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 5:39:13 GMT
Having watched and then slept n yesterday's diatribe I can honestly say I see the decisions for me should have been this:
Gardner on Affelay = Yellow
Gardner slap on Affelay = Yellow
Gardner then Sent Off
Affelay on Gardner = Yellow
Moving on to the second incident then:
Dawson on Adam = Yellow
Adam on Dawson = Red
I do think there was some intent there.
Oliver should be demoted for 3 games, but will no doubt be lauded by the Premier League.
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Post by Northy on Aug 30, 2015 5:42:52 GMT
The sending off of Noble for West Ham today is the most ridiculous decision of all. It's utterly insane. How can these fools be given the responsibility to have such a large influence on games when they're so inept?! Oliver and even more so the fickle little turd of a linesman couldn't want to send off some Stoke players today. The linesman was waving his flag and stomping onto the pitch after the Adam tackle and was absolutely loving it. Infuriating. After watching motd, he started his run onto the pitch before Adam's foot came down That Noble sending off is ridiculous, Friend wants demoting for that.
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Aug 30, 2015 7:42:24 GMT
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Post by Ayupshag on Aug 30, 2015 7:42:24 GMT
They're all wank. Look at that cunt at Bournemouth who missed the stone wall pen on Vardy at the end and the 4 yellow cards the German should of had. Like I said, none of them have ever been picked to play for any teams so they can't know the game. It's like going to flight school then claiming you can fly
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Post by roostershair on Aug 30, 2015 9:40:27 GMT
Because you (or people like you) have allowed the changes to happen. Happy to accept that the players needed to change rather than saying....No....this is a man's game, for men. At no point have I said that I agree with the changes in football - you're simply assuming! Also, it doesn't seem that you have done much to prevent it from behind your keyboard fortress. We are where we are with "modern" football. With that in mind we need to look closer to home today first rather than take the easy option and blame the officials. Oh come on now. If Michael Oliver were chocolate he would eat himself. "Look at me, I'm the ref!" Obnoxious twat!!
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Aug 30, 2015 9:44:00 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 30, 2015 9:44:00 GMT
At no point have I said that I agree with the changes in football - you're simply assuming! Also, it doesn't seem that you have done much to prevent it from behind your keyboard fortress. We are where we are with "modern" football. With that in mind we need to look closer to home today first rather than take the easy option and blame the officials. Oh come on now. If Michael Oliver were chocolate he would eat himself. "Look at me, I'm the ref!" Obnoxious twat!! But people say this about almost every official. A decision goes against us and we take the easy option and pin it on the referee. I find it remarkable how little criticism Afellay has received compared to the Oliver. The referee wasn't the one stupid enough to react and put his hand in an opponents face!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 9:52:57 GMT
Oh come on now. If Michael Oliver were chocolate he would eat himself. "Look at me, I'm the ref!" Obnoxious twat!! But people say this about almost every official. A decision goes against us and we take the easy option and pin it on the referee. I find it remarkable how little criticism Afellay has received compared to the Oliver. The referee wasn't the one stupid enough to react and put his hand in an opponents face! You say the challenge on Afellay was hardly a head high kung fu kick, well the little touch on the face he gave back was hardly a Tyson left hook. The Sunday supplement all said he should never have been sent off as there is nothing to say you can't raise your hands?
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Aug 30, 2015 10:39:08 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Aug 30, 2015 10:39:08 GMT
But people say this about almost every official. A decision goes against us and we take the easy option and pin it on the referee. I find it remarkable how little criticism Afellay has received compared to the Oliver. The referee wasn't the one stupid enough to react and put his hand in an opponents face! You say the challenge on Afellay was hardly a head high kung fu kick, well the little touch on the face he gave back was hardly a Tyson left hook. The Sunday supplement all said he should never have been sent off as there is nothing to say you can't raise your hands? It's common knowledge that if you raise your hand to an opponents face you run the risk of being sent off. A player with Afellay's experience and background should damn well know better. Just don't do it!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 10:46:09 GMT
You say the challenge on Afellay was hardly a head high kung fu kick, well the little touch on the face he gave back was hardly a Tyson left hook. The Sunday supplement all said he should never have been sent off as there is nothing to say you can't raise your hands? It's common knowledge that if you raise your hand to an opponents face you run the risk of being sent off. A player with Afellay's experience and background should damn well know better. Just don't do it! So I thought, but they were all saying there is no rule to say you can't raise your hands and that it was nothing and shouldn't have been sent off. Motd showed him shoved into the advertising, then hacked down, then scratched on the face. Petty to react? Maybe. Robot he is not
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Post by scarlet on Aug 30, 2015 10:48:41 GMT
It's the inconsistency between referees themselves which needs to be addressed. Robert Huth was only yellow carded by Swarbrick yesterday for a foul, kicking the ball into a player's face AND raising his hand towards another opponent, all in the space of 3 seconds! If Swarbrick was reffing our game yesterday, using that criteria the game would likely have finished 11 v 11. Whereas, if the Man Child Oliver had been reffing the Leicester game Huth would have (rightly)been sent off and had a three match ban which would have ruled him out of our game against Leicester later this month. Both these referees used different criteria yesterday which influenced the outcome of the games they were in charge of and the next three subsequent matches for the clubs concerned.
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Aug 30, 2015 10:54:25 GMT
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Post by redwhite on Aug 30, 2015 10:54:25 GMT
What a load of bollocks. They are the best qualified in the country for the job but they are also humans. Humans will always make errors especially when asked to make judgments in real time, sometimes at bad angles and with no chance of a replay. Unlike everyone complaining, they don't get to see it multiple times from multiple angles at multiple speeds.
The system whereby there is no possibility of reviewing an incident is the problem, not the referees' ability.
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