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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:25:12 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:25:12 GMT
Was he injured today?
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:30:09 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2015 21:30:09 GMT
Looked like just being a case of the more versatile Wilson being preferred, so he could flood the rest of the bench with attackers?
Hard to see him starting a league game any time soon. He can't be happy being back-up for the back-up.
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:32:18 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 29, 2015 21:32:18 GMT
Probably not, injured or not its clear the manager doesn't rate him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:33:19 GMT
Absolute disgrace that he wasn't on the bench ahead of Wilson.
He was hands down our best defender at Luton whilst Wilson and Bardsley went walkies for the goal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:33:57 GMT
Absolute disgrace that he wasn't on the bench ahead of Wilson. He was hands down our best defender at Luton whilst Wilson and Bardsley went walkies for the goal. Is this a wind up?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:34:41 GMT
Absolute disgrace that he wasn't on the bench ahead of Wilson. He was hands down our best defender at Luton whilst Wilson and Bardsley went walkies for the goal. Is this a wind up? Nope. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:35:12 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:35:12 GMT
Is this a wind up? Nope. Oh. Strange. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:35:53 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:35:53 GMT
Probably not, injured or not its clear the manager doesn't rate him. I think he's well and truly 5th choice when they're all fit. Begs the question why we signed him..... |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 21:37:18 GMT
Absolute disgrace that he wasn't on the bench ahead of Wilson. He was hands down our best defender at Luton whilst Wilson and Bardsley went walkies for the goal. Erm, what? |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:37:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:37:38 GMT
I said after the last game that I thought Arnie and Wooly should be dropped and Adam brought in ......
Guess what ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:38:07 GMT
Why is it strange? He was our best defender on the night and we've rewarded someone for switching off, getting wrong side of his man whilst we conceded a goal, whilst one bloke who made one error in 120 minutes of football is punished for nothing. I hope he's injured in that respect. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:38:49 GMT
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Post by DentySCFC on Aug 29, 2015 21:38:49 GMT
Probably not, injured or not its clear the manager doesn't rate him. I think he's well and truly 5th choice when they're all fit. Begs the question why we signed him..... Maybe it was part of the agreement in January that we had to sign him permanently with no takesie backsies. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 21:39:21 GMT
Why is it strange? He was our best defender on the night and we've rewarded someone for switching off, getting wrong side of his man whilst we conceded a goal, whilst one bloke who made one error in 120 minutes of football is punished for nothing. I hope he's injured in that respect. Wilson overall has been miles better for Stoke. Assume he was on the bench because he can cover more positions. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:40:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:40:13 GMT
I think he's well and truly 5th choice when they're all fit. Begs the question why we signed him..... Maybe it was part of the agreement in January that we had to sign him permanently with no takesie backsies. That's the only thing that makes sense and it starting to look ever likely as he gets more and more overlooked. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:40:07 GMT
Why is it strange? He was our best defender on the night and we've rewarded someone for switching off, getting wrong side of his man whilst we conceded a goal, whilst one bloke who made one error in 120 minutes of football is punished for nothing. I hope he's injured in that respect. Wilson overall has been miles better for Stoke. And? |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:43:12 GMT
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 29, 2015 21:43:12 GMT
He cut a sad lonely figure when he arrived and then when he went back to his car after the teams were announced.Also on this Sidwell fucked off about an hour before kick off.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 21:43:12 GMT
Wilson overall has been miles better for Stoke. And? So he's a better defender and a better option to call on when needed? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:48:43 GMT
So he's a better defender and a better option to call on when needed? Hughes has always managed fair and square here. You play well. You get the shirt regardless of historical form or stature. He's picked a player who let a 4th division forward get goal side of him and dropped a player who made just one error in 120 minutes of football. His previous performance against Liverpool saw him win every aerial challenge against Benteke. I'm sorry Rob, but Hughes has got off with a lot today due to the nature of the game and the goings on. I expect better. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 21:50:45 GMT
So he's a better defender and a better option to call on when needed? Hughes has always managed fair and square here. You play well. You get the shirt regardless of historical form or stature. He's picked a player who let a 4th division forward get goal side of him and dropped a player who made just one error in 120 minutes of football. His previous performance against Liverpool saw him win every aerial challenge against Benteke. I'm sorry Rob, but Hughes has got off with a lot today due to the nature of the game and the goings on. I expect better. I don't agree with your assessment of Wollscheid on Tuesday. First half he looked jittery and had a knack for passing it into touch under no pressure. I agree that Hughes seems to have worryingly stopped picking the team on form but in my opinion that doesn't apply to Wollscheid. I think Wilson's versatility was probably a factor too. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 21:51:24 GMT
So he's a better defender and a better option to call on when needed? Hughes has always managed fair and square here. You play well. You get the shirt regardless of historical form or stature. He's picked a player who let a 4th division forward get goal side of him and dropped a player who made just one error in 120 minutes of football. His previous performance against Liverpool saw him win every aerial challenge against Benteke. I'm sorry Rob, but Hughes has got off with a lot today due to the nature of the game and the goings on. I expect better. Cameron was also at fault for the goal too...... I can't believe you're getting precious over a fucking terrible defender being dropped from the squad. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 21:58:10 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2015 21:58:10 GMT
I'm surprised Wolly was up for the move over the summer, regardless of why we were. It wasn't looking great for him even when last season ended.
Just a really, really odd one all 'round.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:59:11 GMT
Hughes has always managed fair and square here. You play well. You get the shirt regardless of historical form or stature. He's picked a player who let a 4th division forward get goal side of him and dropped a player who made just one error in 120 minutes of football. His previous performance against Liverpool saw him win every aerial challenge against Benteke. I'm sorry Rob, but Hughes has got off with a lot today due to the nature of the game and the goings on. I expect better. Cameron was also at fault for the goal too...... I can't believe you're getting precious over a fucking terrible being dropped from the squad. It's not really being precious. It's about being fair to players in the squad. Something Hughes has always done...massively to his credit. He's stopped doing it though. Why pick Wollscheid for a game where he makes one real mistake yet his partner costs us a goal and he's picked for the squad for the next game? What message is it sending to the lad? He's persecuted Arnautovic for a performance that was in line with a lot of the side that night yet picked Afellay in a position that he blatantly can't play. Play him in central midfield or not at all IMO. Again, what is that telling that lad and what message is it sending to the rest of the squad? If you want to drop Arnautovic then fine, but bring in someone who can do a better job. The same applies to the rest of the squad. Hughes has done nothing short of a magnificent job here but he's done it on the back of fair management. He's on a sticky wicket if he changes that tack IMO. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 22:00:44 GMT
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 29, 2015 22:00:44 GMT
I'm surprised Wolly was up for the move over the summer, regardless of why we were. It wasn't looking great for him even when last season ended. Just a really, really odd one all 'round. Very very strange signing FM and it looks at the the minute like £3 million thrown down the drain. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 22:04:41 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 22:04:41 GMT
Cameron was also at fault for the goal too...... I can't believe you're getting precious over a fucking terrible being dropped from the squad. It's not really being precious. It's about being fair to players in the squad. Something Hughes has always done...massively to his credit. He's stopped doing it though. Why pick Wollscheid for a game where he makes one real mistake yet his partner costs us a goal and he's picked for the squad for the next game? What message is it sending to the lad? He's persecuted Arnautovic for a performance that was in line with a lot of the side that night yet picked Afellay in a position that he blatantly can't play. Play him in central midfield or not at all IMO. Again, what is that telling that lad and what message is it sending to the rest of the squad? If you want to drop Arnautovic then fine, but bring in someone who can do a better job. The same applies to the rest of the squad. Hughes has done nothing short of a magnificent job here but he's done it on the back of fair management. He's on a sticky wicket if he changes that tack IMO. I'm with Rob on his performance vs Luton, I thought it left a lot to be desired and he was dire like the rest of them. He doesn't deserve to be on the bench over Wilson because Wilson is the better CB and more versatile. He has persecuted Arnie, I think that was wrong. I blame Hughes for today, there's no way Affelay and Adam should start the game and I wouldn't have started Cameron either (at fault for another goal). So far I think Hughes has been the weak link for us this season it has to be said. But on not having Wolly in the squad he was completely correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:06:08 GMT
It's not really being precious. It's about being fair to players in the squad. Something Hughes has always done...massively to his credit. He's stopped doing it though. Why pick Wollscheid for a game where he makes one real mistake yet his partner costs us a goal and he's picked for the squad for the next game? What message is it sending to the lad? He's persecuted Arnautovic for a performance that was in line with a lot of the side that night yet picked Afellay in a position that he blatantly can't play. Play him in central midfield or not at all IMO. Again, what is that telling that lad and what message is it sending to the rest of the squad? If you want to drop Arnautovic then fine, but bring in someone who can do a better job. The same applies to the rest of the squad. Hughes has done nothing short of a magnificent job here but he's done it on the back of fair management. He's on a sticky wicket if he changes that tack IMO. I'm with Rob on his performance vs Luton, I thought it left a lot to be desired and he was dire like the rest of them. He doesn't deserve to be on the bench over Wilson because Wilson is the better CB and more versatile. He has persecuted Arnie, I think that was wrong. I blame Hughes for today, there's no way Affelay and Adam should start the game and I wouldn't have started Cameron either (at fault for another goal). So far I think Hughes has been the weak link for us this season it has to be said. But on not having Wolly in the squad he was completely correct. Shall we talk about Stephen Ireland? Game changing performance against Spurs. No better or worse than others at Luton...set up a goal. Dropped Why? |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 22:06:48 GMT
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 29, 2015 22:06:48 GMT
Cameron was also at fault for the goal too...... I can't believe you're getting precious over a fucking terrible being dropped from the squad. It's not really being precious. It's about being fair to players in the squad. Something Hughes has always done...massively to his credit. He's stopped doing it though. Why pick Wollscheid for a game where he makes one real mistake yet his partner costs us a goal and he's picked for the squad for the next game? What message is it sending to the lad? He's persecuted Arnautovic for a performance that was in line with a lot of the side that night yet picked Afellay in a position that he blatantly can't play. Play him in central midfield or not at all IMO. Again, what is that telling that lad and what message is it sending to the rest of the squad? If you want to drop Arnautovic then fine, but bring in someone who can do a better job. The same applies to the rest of the squad. Hughes has done nothing short of a magnificent job here but he's done it on the back of fair management. He's on a sticky wicket if he changes that tack IMO. His performance at Luton was nothing more than ordinary and he was up against fuck all from them.At best he's 5th choice centre half and that's were he should stay. |
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Wolly
Aug 29, 2015 22:07:54 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 29, 2015 22:07:54 GMT
Very adequate back up.
I'm rayt behind him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 22:08:49 GMT
I'm with Rob on his performance vs Luton, I thought it left a lot to be desired and he was dire like the rest of them. He doesn't deserve to be on the bench over Wilson because Wilson is the better CB and more versatile. He has persecuted Arnie, I think that was wrong. I blame Hughes for today, there's no way Affelay and Adam should start the game and I wouldn't have started Cameron either (at fault for another goal). So far I think Hughes has been the weak link for us this season it has to be said. But on not having Wolly in the squad he was completely correct. Shall we talk about Stephen Ireland? Game changing performance against Spurs. No better or worse than others at Luton...set up a goal. Dropped Why? Ireland should have started at least one of the last two league games no question. Very un-Hughes-like that he hasn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:14:40 GMT
Shall we talk about Stephen Ireland? Game changing performance against Spurs. No better or worse than others at Luton...set up a goal. Dropped Why? Ireland should have started at least one of the last two league games no question. Very un-Hughes-like that he hasn't. I've got a feeling this topic might be the focus of one of your five points, Rob? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 29, 2015 22:17:10 GMT
Ireland should have started at least one of the last two league games no question. Very un-Hughes-like that he hasn't. I've got a feeling this topic might be the focus of one of your five points, Rob? It's not this week actually looky - feel like I've covered it. As others have said, the silver lining is that the red cards might see the manager stumble across his best team in the way his predecessor used to. |
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