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Post by Squeekster on Aug 29, 2015 19:28:29 GMT
Didn't Cameron battle like a trojan? I've said he defended well yeah.... But he was also directly at fault for another goal with piss poor defending. Was Butland at fault for the Norwich goal then went through his legs?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 29, 2015 19:29:45 GMT
Didn't Cameron battle like a trojan? I've said he defended well yeah.... But he was also directly at fault for another goal with piss poor defending. I've only seen the goal at the ground and not micro analysed it like you,to see if Cameron had one of his feet out of position.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 29, 2015 19:31:03 GMT
I've said he defended well yeah.... But he was also directly at fault for another goal with piss poor defending. Was Butland at fault for the Norwich goal then went through his legs? No it was Cameron's fault.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 19:31:05 GMT
I've said he defended well yeah.... But he was also directly at fault for another goal with piss poor defending. You're tiresome As is Geoff Cameron's ability to have no idea what's going on behind when a cross comes in from the sort of angle it did today. Poor, poor defending......again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 19:31:15 GMT
I've said he defended well yeah.... But he was also directly at fault for another goal with piss poor defending. Was Butland at fault for the Norwich goal then went through his legs? I have said he was a bit flat footed yeah!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:32:42 GMT
As is Geoff Cameron's ability to have no idea what's going on behind when a cross comes in from the sort of angle it did today. Poor, poor defending......again. As I said, tiresome......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 19:33:57 GMT
As is Geoff Cameron's ability to have no idea what's going on behind when a cross comes in from the sort of angle it did today. Poor, poor defending......again. As I said, tiresome...... So I take it you like piss poor defending then?
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Post by doctorbaker on Aug 29, 2015 19:39:45 GMT
I rate Geoff, he's a quality athlete, I'm not convinced he can pass the ball but that will hopefully improve.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:39:46 GMT
As I said, tiresome...... So I take it you like piss poor defending then? Getting caught wrong side of a superb cross playing for a team with 9 men under the cosh and getting stretched is not piss poor defending. It's football and it happens......
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 29, 2015 19:41:48 GMT
So I take it you like piss poor defending then? Getting caught wrong side of a superb cross playing for a team with 9 men under the cosh and getting stretched is not piss poor defending. It's football and it happens...... Same as Norwich last week as well then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:42:53 GMT
Getting caught wrong side of a superb cross playing for a team with 9 men under the cosh and getting stretched is not piss poor defending. It's football and it happens...... Same as Norwich last week as well then? We had 11 men so clearly not the same no
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 19:43:36 GMT
So I take it you like piss poor defending then? Getting caught wrong side of a superb cross playing for a team with 9 men under the cosh and getting stretched is not piss poor defending. It's football and it happens...... He'd have done the same if we had 11 men. He's too far away from his man and gives him too much room, it's what he does, that's why it's bloody annoying. His blind spot with stuff like that is massive.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 29, 2015 19:50:02 GMT
Same as Norwich last week as well then? We had 11 men so clearly not the same no He's been at fault for the last 2 league goals we've conceded in my opinion but that's not to say he didn't have a good game today because he did but he can't keep affording to switch off in the centre back position.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2015 19:51:33 GMT
As is Geoff Cameron's ability to have no idea what's going on behind when a cross comes in from the sort of angle it did today. Poor, poor defending......again. Someone somewhere can be blamed for any goal scored. If you're going to be fair and micro analyse every goal, you have to look further back than the final phase when the goal is scored. I'm sure if you look at the goal conceded today someone other than Cameron lost possession cheaply, someone other than Cameron didn't track a player that they should have and someone somewhere didn't close a player as quickly as they should have done. On Tuesday night against Luton people were trying to blame the Luton goal on either Wolly or Wils yet noone even noticed that the Luton full back had enough time to light a cigar before picking his pass into the box for the equaliser. Noone on here asked where the fuck SJW was. Your agenda against Cameron and it is an agenda no matter how much you deny it is fully exposed by trying to pin the goal conceded today on him. Affelay and Adam were responsible for the defeat today, direct your fire there
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 29, 2015 19:53:27 GMT
Am i right in thinking Cameron lost his man for the goal? ' course he did. But he was obviously fucking awesome! Here we go again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 19:57:03 GMT
As is Geoff Cameron's ability to have no idea what's going on behind when a cross comes in from the sort of angle it did today. Poor, poor defending......again. Someone somewhere can be blamed for any goal scored. If you're going to be fair and micro analyse every goal, you have to look further back than the final phase when the goal is scored. I'm sure if you look at the goal conceded today someone other than Cameron lost possession cheaply, someone other than Cameron didn't track a player that they should have and someone somewhere didn't close a player as quickly as they should have done. On Tuesday night against Luton people were trying to blame the Luton goal on either Wolly or Wils yet noone even noticed that the Luton full back had enough time to light a cigar before picking his pass into the box for the equaliser. Noone on here asked where the fuck SJW was. Your agenda against Cameron and it is an agenda no matter how much you deny it is fully exposed by trying to pin the goal conceded today on him. Affelay and Adam were responsible for the defeat today, direct your fire there He has to be closer to his man, simple as. He doesn't have a clue where he is, that's not good enough and it's something he's shown he does a lot when he's played at right back. The Luton goal was down to super Geoff being weak in midfield, Bardsley nodding off and then Wilson and Wolly being too far apart and Wilson not going with his man. Agenda shmenda! I have no agenda against anyone, that's childish bollocks. And if you'd like to go back, I'm not blaming the defeat on Cameron......it was a reply to Kustokie. I'm just pointing out his bad defending. And as stated in the thread I started I blame for Hughes today for starting them pair of idiots, neither should have started. I know you can't foresee their stupidity but neither deserved to be starting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 20:02:10 GMT
Someone somewhere can be blamed for any goal scored. If you're going to be fair and micro analyse every goal, you have to look further back than the final phase when the goal is scored. I'm sure if you look at the goal conceded today someone other than Cameron lost possession cheaply, someone other than Cameron didn't track a player that they should have and someone somewhere didn't close a player as quickly as they should have done. On Tuesday night against Luton people were trying to blame the Luton goal on either Wolly or Wils yet noone even noticed that the Luton full back had enough time to light a cigar before picking his pass into the box for the equaliser. Noone on here asked where the fuck SJW was. Your agenda against Cameron and it is an agenda no matter how much you deny it is fully exposed by trying to pin the goal conceded today on him. Affelay and Adam were responsible for the defeat today, direct your fire there He has to be closer to his man, simple as. He doesn't have a clue where he is, that's not good enough and it's something he's shown he does a lot when he's played at right back. The Luton goal was down to super Geoff being weak in midfield, Bardsley nodding off and then Wilson and Wolly being too far apart and Wilson not going with his man. Agenda shmenda! I have no agenda against anyone, that's childish bollocks. And if you'd like to go back, I'm not blaming the defeat on Cameron......it was a reply to Kustokie. I'm just pointing out his bad defending. And as stated in the thread I started I blame for Hughes today for starting them pair of idiots, neither should have started. I know you can't foresee their stupidity but neither deserved to be starting. People aren't seeing your opinion anymore, they're just seeing the same tiresome, tedious points being repeated ad nauseam
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 20:08:05 GMT
He has to be closer to his man, simple as. He doesn't have a clue where he is, that's not good enough and it's something he's shown he does a lot when he's played at right back. The Luton goal was down to super Geoff being weak in midfield, Bardsley nodding off and then Wilson and Wolly being too far apart and Wilson not going with his man. Agenda shmenda! I have no agenda against anyone, that's childish bollocks. And if you'd like to go back, I'm not blaming the defeat on Cameron......it was a reply to Kustokie. I'm just pointing out his bad defending. And as stated in the thread I started I blame for Hughes today for starting them pair of idiots, neither should have started. I know you can't foresee their stupidity but neither deserved to be starting. People aren't seeing your opinion anymore, they're just seeing the same tiresome, tedious points being repeated ad nauseam People see what they want to see as the defence of Cameron shows. But like I've said we've been here before when players are making obvious mistakes and the masses are defending them because.....well I have no fucking clue why tbh. I always found it strange.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 20:12:46 GMT
People aren't seeing your opinion anymore, they're just seeing the same tiresome, tedious points being repeated ad nauseam People see what they want to see as the defence of Cameron shows. But like I've said we've been here before when players are making obvious mistakes and the masses are defending them because.....well I have no fucking clue why tbh. I always found it strange. Because we're not Barcelona and our players will make mistakes. EVERY goal is the fault of someone, that's the bit you seem to struggle with....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 20:15:43 GMT
People see what they want to see as the defence of Cameron shows. But like I've said we've been here before when players are making obvious mistakes and the masses are defending them because.....well I have no fucking clue why tbh. I always found it strange. Because we're not Barcelona and our players will make mistakes. EVERY goal is the fault of someone, that's the bit you seem to struggle with.... They will but it's the same players making the same mistake time and time again. That isn't acceptable. And no they're not, it's something I full grasp but when it's so poor like it was today, you can't defend it. Geoff switched off, didn't have a clue where his man was and it cost us a goal. It's something he does a lot of, that's the issue. Something you don't seem to grasp.
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 29, 2015 20:25:58 GMT
I thought Muni was better. And until I see the goal again I'm waiting to blame him for that but it looked like he did something that I think is one of his big weaknesses by having no idea what was behind him and then not being in a position to deal with it. It's unfortunate that Johnson was caught far out of position on the build up to the goal. Left us high and dry, and playing down 2 men it left the rest of our defence at a disadvantage.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2015 20:26:21 GMT
People aren't seeing your opinion anymore, they're just seeing the same tiresome, tedious points being repeated ad nauseam People see what they want to see as the defence of Cameron shows. But like I've said we've been here before when players are making obvious mistakes and the masses are defending them because.....well I have no fucking clue why tbh. I always found it strange. So what do you make of the stats posted that Cameron blocked twice as many shots as the second best? Surely that shows that he is reading dangers far better than his teammates? Sorry mate, you don't like Cameron and that is clouding your judgement. Whatever you say, Cameron was superb today.
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 29, 2015 20:29:21 GMT
Geoff blocked double the amount of shots than the second on the list for Stoke players. He was second on the clearances list, one behind Pieters. He also has the highest pass completion rate (92%). Please, no facts. Bayern's act gets old and tired very quickly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 20:30:55 GMT
People see what they want to see as the defence of Cameron shows. But like I've said we've been here before when players are making obvious mistakes and the masses are defending them because.....well I have no fucking clue why tbh. I always found it strange. So what do you make of the stats posted that Cameron blocked twice as many shots as the second best? Surely that shows that he is reading dangers far better than his teammates? Sorry mate, you don't like Cameron and that is clouding your judgement. Whatever you say, Cameron was superb today. Yeah well done but if he's directly at fault for a goal which is the only stat I care about tbh. Much like Wilson who can look ace for 89 minutes and then make one fatal error, the 89 other minutes become irrelevant. I don't like Cameron, that's not in doubt is it? It doesn't mean I have an agenda or any of that bollocks against him because if I did I wouldn't have give him MOM against Liverpool and I wouldn't think he was a decent central midfielder. He did play today but similarly whatever you say, he was at fault for the goal.
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 29, 2015 20:33:54 GMT
So what do you make of the stats posted that Cameron blocked twice as many shots as the second best? Surely that shows that he is reading dangers far better than his teammates? Sorry mate, you don't like Cameron and that is clouding your judgement. Whatever you say, Cameron was superb today. Yeah well done but if he's directly at fault for a goal which is the only stat I care about tbh. Much like Wilson who can look ace for 89 minutes and then make one fatal error, the 89 other minutes become irrelevant. I don't like Cameron, that's not in doubt is it? It doesn't mean I have an agenda or any of that bollocks against him because if I did I wouldn't have give him MOM against Liverpool and I wouldn't think he was a decent central midfielder. He did play today but similarly whatever you say, he was at fault for the goal. We're a far better side with Geoff in the XI than without. End of discussion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 20:36:07 GMT
Yeah well done but if he's directly at fault for a goal which is the only stat I care about tbh. Much like Wilson who can look ace for 89 minutes and then make one fatal error, the 89 other minutes become irrelevant. I don't like Cameron, that's not in doubt is it? It doesn't mean I have an agenda or any of that bollocks against him because if I did I wouldn't have give him MOM against Liverpool and I wouldn't think he was a decent central midfielder. He did play today but similarly whatever you say, he was at fault for the goal. We're a far better side with Geoff in the XI than without. End of discussion. No we're not. Wilson is the better centre back. And when everyone's fit, Cameron gets nowhere near the starting XI!
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 29, 2015 20:37:47 GMT
We're a far better side with Geoff in the XI than without. End of discussion. No we're not. Wilson is the better centre back. And when everyone's fit, Cameron gets nowhere near the starting XI! You might be right. It would be an equally daft decision by MH.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 20:41:19 GMT
No we're not. Wilson is the better centre back. And when everyone's fit, Cameron gets nowhere near the starting XI! You might be right. It would be an equally daft decision by MH. What dropping a bloke who's played his hand in the last 3 goals we've conceded?
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Post by hartzchoco on Aug 30, 2015 23:37:44 GMT
Muniesa gave the ball away seven times today. He was good otherwise but left his passing boots at home. His passing was toss but he defender like a Spartan. Geoff was at fault for another goal..... Youre so fucking high. Your continual irrational thrashing of our American player makes me embarrassed for you.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 23:40:16 GMT
His passing was toss but he defender like a Spartan. Geoff was at fault for another goal..... Youre so fucking high. Your continual irrational thrashing of our American player makes me embarrassed for you. Irrational? I'm sorry, here was me thinking he switched off and let his man run off the back of him and score a goal that easily stopped..... Irrational my arse. It was a massive error and one he shown he does a lot of when he plays at right back, he hasn't got a clue what's over his shoulder. A decent centre back stops that goal yesterday.
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