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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 14:30:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 14:56:03 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 15:07:36 GMT
"He also complains occasionally about Robbie Savage.
‘He ran me out in cricket years ago,’ Baldwin says. ‘He was a trainee at Crewe and I was opening the batting with him in some footballers’ game. I got two runs and then he goes and gets me run out. I said I wouldn’t speak to him again.
‘When they did the film about me, Robbie turned up to be in it, but was cut out of the final version. I saw him later and he asked why he wasn’t in. I said the people who made it didn’t like him.’"
Love this anecdote!
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Post by march4 on Aug 28, 2015 15:27:02 GMT
Brilliant article!!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 28, 2015 16:06:36 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course..... No, Martin didn't do that, and you will recall that in the film that player and the 'boxer shorts' player ( who was Martin C.) are two different players. In fairness to Martin Carruthers, it's only fair to point that out on a public message Board. If you read the book, you will find some amusing and sympathetic quotes from him, and indeed it was he, not Neil, who told me the story about going into Lou's office to complain about not being in the team and getting the answer from Neil not Lou, and also the 'holiday' story. Players who were unpleasant to Neil ( and there was the odd one) are not named in the book, partly because it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the book, and partly for legal reasons. We don't want to risk any libel actions - and of course that's also a danger of saying anything like that about a real named player on here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:14:52 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course..... No, Martin didn't do that, and you will recall that in the film that player and the 'boxer shorts' player ( who was Martin C.) are two different players. In fairness to Martin Carruthers, it's only fair to point that out on a public message Board. If you read the book, you will find some amusing and sympathetic quotes from him, and indeed it was he, not Neil, who told me the story about going into Lou's office to complain about not being in the team and getting the answer from Neil not Lou, and also the 'holiday' story. Players who were unpleasant to Neil ( and there was the odd one) are not named in the book, partly because it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the book, and partly for legal reasons. We don't want to risk any libel actions - and of course that's also a danger of saying anything like that about a real named player on here. Fair enough I stand corrected thanks for clearing that up. I completely understand why the person in question wouldn't be named, however if it was said in a packed dressing room (which I think it was?) libel action would be difficult I would imagine. As you rightly say though naming said player would go against the spirit of the book/drama so all hypothetical......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:17:40 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course..... No it definitely wasn't Carruthers who said that to Nello.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:58:44 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course..... No, Martin didn't do that, and you will recall that in the film that player and the 'boxer shorts' player ( who was Martin C.) are two different players. In fairness to Martin Carruthers, it's only fair to point that out on a public message Board. If you read the book, you will find some amusing and sympathetic quotes from him, and indeed it was he, not Neil, who told me the story about going into Lou's office to complain about not being in the team and getting the answer from Neil not Lou, and also the 'holiday' story. Players who were unpleasant to Neil ( and there was the odd one) are not named in the book, partly because it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the book, and partly for legal reasons. We don't want to risk any libel actions - and of course that's also a danger of saying anything like that about a real named player on here.
I think, it's the correct behaviour to do this Malcolm. I imagine that actually naming the players would lead to some idiots wanting to take their own form of action for 'revenge' and that serves nobody any purpose at all.
I hope though, that it is all a success and good luck
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 28, 2015 17:21:09 GMT
No, Martin didn't do that, and you will recall that in the film that player and the 'boxer shorts' player ( who was Martin C.) are two different players. In fairness to Martin Carruthers, it's only fair to point that out on a public message Board. If you read the book, you will find some amusing and sympathetic quotes from him, and indeed it was he, not Neil, who told me the story about going into Lou's office to complain about not being in the team and getting the answer from Neil not Lou, and also the 'holiday' story. Players who were unpleasant to Neil ( and there was the odd one) are not named in the book, partly because it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the book, and partly for legal reasons. We don't want to risk any libel actions - and of course that's also a danger of saying anything like that about a real named player on here.
I think, it's the correct behaviour to do this Malcolm. I imagine that actually naming the players would lead to some idiots wanting to take their own form of action for 'revenge' and that serves nobody any purpose at all.
I hope though, that it is all a success and good luck
Many thanks, I've no idea how sales are going but the main man himself is certainly being kept busy with no sign of a let up. He's somewhere ( Baddeley Green I think) next Friday with Lou, Terry Conroy and John Rudge. I've just had a request to do a film showing and a Q & A with him next June
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Post by marcofstoke on Aug 28, 2015 20:34:32 GMT
I maybe wrong but I believe it was a Scotsman who said that to Nello, not sure who that would be without looking at our squad for the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 20:46:11 GMT
I maybe wrong but I believe it was a Scotsman who said that to Nello, not sure who that would be without looking at our squad for the time. He wasn't Scottish.
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Post by jaybee on Aug 28, 2015 21:46:01 GMT
So, there we have it ... a scotsman who wasn't scottish!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2015 22:18:52 GMT
So, there we have it ... a scotsman who wasn't scottish!! I blame Bardsley!
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Post by banburypotter on Aug 28, 2015 22:43:38 GMT
Froggyd, IKN big time there methinks. Ex player?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 28, 2015 22:56:53 GMT
I always get the impression it was Carruthers who used the offensive "m**g" word that was highlighted in Marvellous, I could be wrong of course..... No it definitely wasn't Carruthers who said that to Nello. I always thought it was Tony Ellis.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 28, 2015 23:07:32 GMT
I'm not at all sure that speculation of this kind on a public message board is dignified, helpful or appropriate. As the man himself said in the film, if there's someone who is not nice to you, there are plenty of people who are. That's all that matters.
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Post by mateybass on Aug 29, 2015 2:24:27 GMT
So, there we have it ... a scotsman who wasn't scottish!! I blame Bardsley! I blame Kitson
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 5:14:14 GMT
Froggyd, IKN big time there methinks. Ex player? I'm very rarely ITK, but on this occasion I know 100% who it was. He was a 1st teamer, but god knows how he was.
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 29, 2015 5:39:50 GMT
I remember how excited Neil was when we signed Carruthers lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 6:21:39 GMT
No it definitely wasn't Carruthers who said that to Nello. I always thought it was Tony Ellis. It wasn't Ellis either pal.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 29, 2015 6:47:24 GMT
I always thought it was Tony Ellis. It wasn't Ellis either pal. It's like cluedo this
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2015 6:50:13 GMT
I remember how excited Neil was when we signed Carruthers lol Me too. I can also recall watching a training session up at keele and Carruthers scored countless 1v1's. I was sat with Neil and as the players came off, nello jokingly asked Carruthers why he couldn't finish like that in the games but he said it like it was my thoughts. "well done martin. This lad is wondering why you can't do that in a game".
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 29, 2015 7:32:08 GMT
I'm not at all sure that speculation of this kind on a public message board is dignified, helpful or appropriate. As the man himself said in the film, if there's someone who is not nice to you, there are plenty of people who are. That's all that matters. Absolutely. Focus on the positives, of which there are clearly many. Well done again Malcolm. I'm fully aware you don't see the work you've done on the many "Nello projects" as work and nor do you want or need credit and praise for it. But, in the world of modern football (money obsessed and dominated by the growing disconnect between clubs and fans), Nello is an absolute breath of fresh air. His story needed telling with grace,intelligence and careful judgement and, from what I can tell, you've been instrumental in ensuring that. The Nello phenomenon is a source of great pride for me and, I'm sure, many Stokies. Promotions and relegations will come (hopefully the odd cup!!) but what endures throughout are the supporters, generation after generation. Nello and his impact on the club needed to be acknowledged and you've helped ensure that was done in the best possible way. Thanks and well done!
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Post by liam007 on Aug 29, 2015 7:40:56 GMT
Well that explains why Carruthers didn't let Nello score at Villa Park.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Aug 29, 2015 8:16:08 GMT
I'm not at all sure that speculation of this kind on a public message board is dignified, helpful or appropriate. As the man himself said in the film, if there's someone who is not nice to you, there are plenty of people who are. That's all that matters. Absolutely. Focus on the positives, of which there are clearly many. Well done again Malcolm. I'm fully aware you don't see the work you've done on the many "Nello projects" as work and nor do you want or need credit and praise for it. But, in the world of modern football (money obsessed and dominated by the growing disconnect between clubs and fans), Nello is an absolute breath of fresh air. His story needed telling with grace,intelligence and careful judgement and, from what I can tell, you've been instrumental in ensuring that. The Nello phenomenon is a source of great pride for me and, I'm sure, many Stokies. Promotions and relegations will come (hopefully the odd cup!!) but what endures throughout are the supporters, generation after generation. Nello and his impact on the club needed to be acknowledged and you've helped ensure that was done in the best possible way. Thanks and well done! Sentiments we can all echo there!
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 29, 2015 8:32:06 GMT
Well that explains why Carruthers didn't let Nello score at Villa Park. Wasn't it Tony Kelly who embarrassingly got in the way?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 29, 2015 8:34:26 GMT
I'm not at all sure that speculation of this kind on a public message board is dignified, helpful or appropriate. As the man himself said in the film, if there's someone who is not nice to you, there are plenty of people who are. That's all that matters. Absolutely. Focus on the positives, of which there are clearly many. Well done again Malcolm. I'm fully aware you don't see the work you've done on the many "Nello projects" as work and nor do you want or need credit and praise for it. But, in the world of modern football (money obsessed and dominated by the growing disconnect between clubs and fans), Nello is an absolute breath of fresh air. His story needed telling with grace,intelligence and careful judgement and, from what I can tell, you've been instrumental in ensuring that. The Nello phenomenon is a source of great pride for me and, I'm sure, many Stokies. Promotions and relegations will come (hopefully the odd cup!!) but what endures throughout are the supporters, generation after generation. Nello and his impact on the club needed to be acknowledged and you've helped ensure that was done in the best possible way. Thanks and well done! That's very kind of you to say so, foxygloves, and I really appreciate that, and I certainly agree with the general sentiment. It's worth saying that many other people have helped Neil in many different ways over many years both before and since the film. Some of them are acknowledged in the book, but there are others who aren't. The film and now the book have given my role a higher profile, but that certainly doesn't mean that my contribution has been more important than theirs. I also think that I have gained at least as much, if not more, more from my friendship with Neil than he has. This also gives me the chance to say that the publishers are planning a paperback edition next June, which will give us the chance to revise and update the book. So, if anyone on here has recollections or anecdotes which you think might merit inclusion, please let me have them - a PM would be fine, and we could meet up if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 8:51:18 GMT
Marvellous was a great story, thoroughly enjoyed by everyone in my family. Could we not do one about T.C.?
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