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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:22:09 GMT
For Chelsea he's very much in the Whelan role, but for Nigeria he plays a more box to box role. If he is readily available why did we go for Mvg? Does mikel have fitness problems? Why has he never featured much and why is Mourhino desperate to get rid? Is he a poor trainer? inconsistent? It's strange he has been at Chelsea so long with so few appearances Presumably because he isn't good enough for Chelsea. That doesn't mean he's not good enough for us. Assume he wasn't available for loan for the same reason Shaqiri wasn't - his club want shut altogether.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:24:45 GMT
If he is readily available why did we go for Mvg? Does mikel have fitness problems? Why has he never featured much and why is Mourhino desperate to get rid? Is he a poor trainer? inconsistent? It's strange he has been at Chelsea so long with so few appearances Presumably because he isn't good enough for Chelsea. That doesn't mean he's not good enough for us. Assume he wasn't available for loan for the same reason Shaqiri wasn't - his club want shut altogether. He's been there since 2006 though, so you would of thought that he was good enough because he has had his contract renewed 2 or 3 times?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:26:48 GMT
Presumably because he isn't good enough for Chelsea. That doesn't mean he's not good enough for us. Assume he wasn't available for loan for the same reason Shaqiri wasn't - his club want shut altogether. He's been there since 2006 though, so you would of thought that he was good enough because he has had his contract renewed 2 or 3 times? Don't think Chelsea fans have ever been that fond of him but he's been a solid 'do a job' squad player for them I think. They've improved hugely on him since.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:30:47 GMT
He's been there since 2006 though, so you would of thought that he was good enough because he has had his contract renewed 2 or 3 times? Don't think Chelsea fans have ever been that fond of him but he's been a solid 'do a job' squad player for them I think. They've improved hugely on him since. Is mikel the sort of player that can come in do a short term job well and then go off the boil? It would give a reasonable explanation as to why he's been at Chelsea since 2006 as a 999 player?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:31:28 GMT
Nolan? Prince? Good God.......silly season is upon us! Do you mean they are not good enough or out of reach? Who would you suggest?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:32:08 GMT
I have no idea. I could see him being better than what we've got. I don't think him not featuring at Chelsea means we should turn our noses up at him if he's available.
There's not been so much as a link to him or any other midfielder though so probably pretty pointless to think about it. MVG is Hughes' man and there's been no indication that's going to change.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:37:17 GMT
I have no idea. I could see him being better than what we've got. I don't think him not featuring at Chelsea means we should turn our noses up at him if he's available. There's not been so much as a link to him or any other midfielder though so probably pretty pointless to think about it. MVG is Hughes' man and there's been no indication that's going to change. It is a bit worrying to think MH could just count on mvg coming good, he obviously knows him better than us but in a day when we don't need to take this type of gamble for me it makes no point in relying on a 'prospect' to fill N'zonzi's role with 2nd rate players (for the system we employ) as back up Dembele for me would be a signing and a half but he's getting games at the mo for Spurs
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:39:19 GMT
Surely sharing the load is the sensible option by bringing in a quality player to compete with VG
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:39:42 GMT
Yeah, Dembele's playing and playing well so looks like we've missed the boat there.
I think MVG might look better if we can start someone behind the striker to take the pressure off him to create and provide a link to Diouf up front.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:40:12 GMT
Surely sharing the load is the sensible option by bringing in a quality player to compete with VG I'd feel happier if we did that but don't see it happening.
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Post by bojanihilate on Aug 27, 2015 13:46:24 GMT
Anyone else think nolan to west brom looks like it could be on? Pulis style player
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:51:24 GMT
Anyone else think nolan to west brom looks like it could be on? Pulis style player He had the chance to sign him for Stoke within the first couple of seasons coming into the division as he was literally being given away following Bolton's relegation I think, he didn't bother. I think he moved onto another club that summer for about £2m
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 27, 2015 13:54:10 GMT
Yeah, Dembele's playing and playing well so looks like we've missed the boat there. I think MVG might look better if we can start someone behind the striker to take the pressure off him to create and provide a link to Diouf up front. Essentially two holding midfielders, one a bit more adventurous than the other? I think that's the way to go, because we have enough creativity elsewhere on the pitch to be perfectly fine.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 14:31:40 GMT
Yeah, Dembele's playing and playing well so looks like we've missed the boat there. I think MVG might look better if we can start someone behind the striker to take the pressure off him to create and provide a link to Diouf up front. Essentially two holding midfielders, one a bit more adventurous than the other? I think that's the way to go, because we have enough creativity elsewhere on the pitch to be perfectly fine. Yeah, just basically getting back to the standard Hughes blueprint we've abandoned for some reason.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 27, 2015 14:50:07 GMT
Essentially two holding midfielders, one a bit more adventurous than the other? I think that's the way to go, because we have enough creativity elsewhere on the pitch to be perfectly fine. Yeah, just basically getting back to the standard Hughes blueprint we've abandoned for some reason. we abandoned it when Bojan was injured and N'Zonzi and Adam settled into playing left and right of centre in a 4-1-4-1. I assume Hughes thinks bojan is some way off hence continuing with it. I agree a more orthodox 4-2-3-1 with Ireland centre of the 3 makes more sense
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Post by StokeAz on Aug 27, 2015 14:55:13 GMT
So everyone wants to get rid of Sidwell, a cm to then replace him with Nolan? No thanks he'd never play- Adam, Ireland, bojan and afellay are all better... er, no actually quite the opposite, it's just the O.P Well last time I checked everyone said he's not good enough...
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Post by kustokie on Aug 27, 2015 15:02:23 GMT
Boateng has always been known for his aggression and leadership.[88] A 2012 analysis of the player's qualities on the ESPN website suggests that at the time he signed for Milan, the manager needed a trequartista, but that Boateng did not appear to possess the skillset normally associated with that role. His game has a particular dependence on "sheer strength, power and energy". He can produce the work rate, ball retrieval and attacking willingness of the box-to-box midfielder, but is not especially creative, "influencing the game with power rather than craft". He combines technical skill with speed of action, and according to ESPN's analyst, "that's what makes Boateng so dangerous. It's not always what he does, but the speed with which he does it".[89] Boateng is utilized in a variety of positions: either box-to-box,[7] or as an attacking midfielder or forward.[90]Boateng is known for his strength, footspeed, and ball-juggling tricks.[12][13] A 2014 profile on FIFA's official website described Boateng as "blessed with strength, speed, killer instinct in front of goal, and an uncommon flamboyance in the attacking third".[14]That's a player available right there that would be a more than adequate replacement for SN, unless he has exploding knees like Demba Ba I don't see the problem. Yeah but he doesn't have a 'trequartista' and everyone on here knows both what that not only means, but how much you have to rub on it if it gets sore Right chaps..? what does it mean? Just curious.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 27, 2015 15:05:53 GMT
Yeah but he doesn't have a 'trequartista' and everyone on here knows both what that not only means, but how much you have to rub on it if it gets sore Right chaps..? what does it mean? Just curious. Mate Im a borderline 'silver surfer' - I struggle with phoning someone on me mobile let alone knowing what that word means
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 27, 2015 15:13:58 GMT
Does anyone think Cameron could slot into midfield alongside Whelan and put Marc Wilson back in at Centre Half.
Personally I would love us to buy 2 players in those positions, but if we didn't the above is what I would do
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 15:18:00 GMT
Yeah, just basically getting back to the standard Hughes blueprint we've abandoned for some reason. we abandoned it when Bojan was injured and N'Zonzi and Adam settled into playing left and right of centre in a 4-1-4-1. I assume Hughes thinks bojan is some way off hence continuing with it. I agree a more orthodox 4-2-3-1 with Ireland centre of the 3 makes more sense Yeah, it was fine with Adam in it last season but not sure why he's so reticent to revert to 4-2-3-1 given the only time we've looked vaguely threatening this season is using that system.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 15:18:31 GMT
Yeah but he doesn't have a 'trequartista' and everyone on here knows both what that not only means, but how much you have to rub on it if it gets sore Right chaps..? what does it mean? Just curious. It's yer man behind the striker.
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Post by Northy on Aug 27, 2015 15:24:48 GMT
No way, i feel like chicken tonight
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 27, 2015 15:25:36 GMT
Does anyone think Cameron could slot into midfield alongside Whelan and put Marc Wilson back in at Centre Half. Personally I would love us to buy 2 players in those positions, but if we didn't the above is what I would do I think the fact that Hughes brought him on to kill the game off on Tuesday and he failed to stop their move starting that led to a goal suggests he isn't remotely good enough in that position either. Perhaps we should try him in Bojans free role!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 27, 2015 15:41:11 GMT
Does anyone think Cameron could slot into midfield alongside Whelan and put Marc Wilson back in at Centre Half. Personally I would love us to buy 2 players in those positions, but if we didn't the above is what I would do I think that's been the plan all along.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 15:42:07 GMT
Does anyone think Cameron could slot into midfield alongside Whelan and put Marc Wilson back in at Centre Half. Personally I would love us to buy 2 players in those positions, but if we didn't the above is what I would do I think that's been the plan all along. So why sign MVG tricky?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 27, 2015 15:50:50 GMT
I think that's been the plan all along. So why sign MVG tricky? I don't know! I should have put "that was certainly one of the options Hughes had in mind", especially with Geoff re-signing and previously wanting to play in midfield? You are right, though, MVG kind of spanners it as a "plan"!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 17:39:12 GMT
Yeah, Dembele's playing and playing well so looks like we've missed the boat there. I think MVG might look better if we can start someone behind the striker to take the pressure off him to create and provide a link to Diouf up front. Agreed. Bojan/Ireland presumably.
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Post by bojanihilate on Aug 27, 2015 17:50:31 GMT
Anyone else think nolan to west brom looks like it could be on? Pulis style player He had the chance to sign him for Stoke within the first couple of seasons coming into the division as he was literally being given away following Bolton's relegation I think, he didn't bother. I think he moved onto another club that summer for about £2m Fair enough. Couldnt remember that. Just thought he would suit his play like he did big sam
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 18:00:54 GMT
Yeah, Dembele's playing and playing well so looks like we've missed the boat there. I think MVG might look better if we can start someone behind the striker to take the pressure off him to create and provide a link to Diouf up front. Agreed. Bojan/Ireland presumably. Yeah, or even Shaqiri.
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Post by steve66 on Aug 27, 2015 18:55:24 GMT
No! No! No!
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