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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:01:10 GMT
Just because he's good on FIFA doesn't make him a good signing in real life. He has had disciplinary problems at every club he has played for and for the German under-21s and the Ghanaian national team. It's one thing taking a risk on a 20 year old who might mature and change but if he hasn't changed at Milan or at Schalke then he isn't going to sort his life out with Stoke imo. As for his knees watch any of his games for Schalke or the latter half of his career in Milan, he is a shadow of the potential shown at Pompey. He's got no fight, he has no bottle and he has never seem to give a shit about any club he has played for. I thought when they released him he'd be an ace signing but after doing a little research, he's not someone I want anywhere near our club. For your information mate I don't own a games console, I have other hobbies that take up my time. I'd prefer to go off the above than your opinion, no offence What, from the quote you cherrypicked off the internet? Classic We can all find something to support our own arguments. "Fast Forward to May 2015, the same Kevin who had the world at his feet in 2011, now had the world on his back. Lazy, poor attitude, undisciplined! The invectives poured; Kevin had just been released (a nicer word for sacked) from his German club Schalke just two games to end the season. For most people his “sacking” was inevitable. His brushes with German and Ghanaian football authorities haven’t won him any prizes in the school of endearment. His poor attitude had finally caught up with him."
"When Schalke signed Kevin in 2013, their excitement probably blinded them to a player who had steadily been declining in form. Had Schalke paid more attention, they would have realized that his club appearances and influence had waned at Milan and his frequent knee injuries had affected his game, playing mostly with a wobble. Instead, Schalke put their hopes in him and though his first season didn’t go according to script, he was given a pass. This season however, Kevin was not going to be given any such pass and after making only only 11 Bundesliga starts, Schalke’s tolerance wore thin"Why would you want to go off of the snippet you posted rather then this one? Oh wait because you've already decided you want to sign him. For the record that little quote from you was when he signed for Milan, in 2010... 5 years ago His career has plummeted since 2011. That's a bloody fact! If you want to keep getting articles from 2010 about the 23 year old, excellent KPB then feel free to. But we're not signing that one, we're signing the 28 year old Boateng. There's a big fucking difference
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:04:06 GMT
Sure he's got a long-standing knee problem. Hasn't he just failed a medical somewhere because of it? Yes at Sporting Lisbon, and he has missed lots of matches thanks to his knee injuries. It's one thing with Ba or Austin who seem a risk but seem to be playing consistent football but KPB isn't even getting that.
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Post by alster on Aug 27, 2015 12:07:00 GMT
I thought KPB played a fair bit further forward (and often out wide)? Positions can be flexible as long as the player has the right attributes for the role. Not sure about KPB don't really remember him that well from his time in England, was he at Pompey? Would he want loads of money? Someone suggested Song or Obi Mikel they'd be amazing but probably too expensive is this bloke more realistic?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 12:09:32 GMT
Sure he's got a long-standing knee problem. Hasn't he just failed a medical somewhere because of it? Yes at Sporting Lisbon, and he has missed lots of matches thanks to his knee injuries. It's one thing with Ba or Austin who seem a risk but seem to be playing consistent football but KPB isn't even getting that. Neither was Ricardo Fuller at Preston and he passed his medical with knee 'issues'. The rest is history. "Saying" he's not getting games is hardly conclusive evidence it's because of knee injuries, it could be for a multiple of reasons
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:10:24 GMT
I must be in with a chance of a contract 1year lets say 250k a year is that value for money or what.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 12:12:18 GMT
Yes at Sporting Lisbon, and he has missed lots of matches thanks to his knee injuries. It's one thing with Ba or Austin who seem a risk but seem to be playing consistent football but KPB isn't even getting that. Neither was Ricardo Fuller at Preston and he passed his medical withknee 'issues'. The rest is history. "Saying" he's not getting games is hardly conclusive evidence it's because of knee injuries, it could be for a multiple of reasons I didn't say he's not getting games because of knee injuries. I'm saying he has a long-standing knee problem. I don't think because Fuller's knee was ok and Ba's knee was ok it means that everyone with a knee injury is ok really. The fact that Boateng did nothing at Schalke and the player in the Nzonzi role needs to be able to cover loads of ground, plus his alleged attitude problem, means it's one I'd prefer to steer clear of, personally.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 27, 2015 12:13:23 GMT
Christ no.
Purely for that horrendous fuck-eyed chicken celebration he does when he scores.
Cunt.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 12:14:30 GMT
I thought KPB played a fair bit further forward (and often out wide)? Positions can be flexible as long as the player has the right attributes for the role. Not sure about KPB don't really remember him that well from his time in England, was he at Pompey? Would he want loads of money? Someone suggested Song or Obi Mikel they'd be amazing but probably too expensive is this bloke more realistic? I always thought he played mainly on the right for Pompey, might be wrong? This bloke'd be another dogs' home gamble.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 12:16:58 GMT
Neither was Ricardo Fuller at Preston and he passed his medical withknee 'issues'. The rest is history. "Saying" he's not getting games is hardly conclusive evidence it's because of knee injuries, it could be for a multiple of reasons I didn't say he's not getting games because of knee injuries. I'm saying he has a long-standing knee problem. I don't think because Fuller's knee was ok and Ba's knee was ok it means that everyone with a knee injury is ok really. The fact that Boateng did nothing at Schalke and the player in the Nzonzi role needs to be able to cover loads of ground, plus his alleged attitude problem, means it's one I'd prefer to steer clear of, personally. Without knowing the ins & outs I'd suggest he's worth a medical myself and let our medical department conclude a possible good signing's chances. The fact he hasn't done it at Schalke could also be for a number of reasons other than injuries but the profile of the player is that of a SN
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 27, 2015 12:18:31 GMT
Erm…..
NO to put it bluntly.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 12:18:56 GMT
Neither was Ricardo Fuller at Preston and he passed his medical withknee 'issues'. The rest is history. "Saying" he's not getting games is hardly conclusive evidence it's because of knee injuries, it could be for a multiple of reasons I didn't say he's not getting games because of knee injuries. I'm saying he has a long-standing knee problem. I don't think because Fuller's knee was ok and Ba's knee was ok it means that everyone with a knee injury is ok really. The fact that Boateng did nothing at Schalke and the player in the Nzonzi role needs to be able to cover loads of ground, plus his alleged attitude problem, means it's one I'd prefer to steer clear of, personally. yup, lets stick with Sidwell. Fuller had supposed attitude problems, so does arnautovic, it's easy to become labelled with one in today's perfect world full of inperfect people.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 12:22:01 GMT
I didn't say he's not getting games because of knee injuries. I'm saying he has a long-standing knee problem. I don't think because Fuller's knee was ok and Ba's knee was ok it means that everyone with a knee injury is ok really. The fact that Boateng did nothing at Schalke and the player in the Nzonzi role needs to be able to cover loads of ground, plus his alleged attitude problem, means it's one I'd prefer to steer clear of, personally. yup, lets stick with Sidwell. Fuller had supposed attitude problems, so does arnautovic, it's easy to become labelled with one in today's perfect world full of inperfect people. Sorry, are those the only options, signing him or sticking with Sidwell?
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Post by alster on Aug 27, 2015 12:24:25 GMT
Positions can be flexible as long as the player has the right attributes for the role. Not sure about KPB don't really remember him that well from his time in England, was he at Pompey? Would he want loads of money? Someone suggested Song or Obi Mikel they'd be amazing but probably too expensive is this bloke more realistic? I always thought he played mainly on the right for Pompey, might be wrong? This bloke'd be another dogs' home gamble. Think I'd prefer Mikel personally. I'd play him alongside Whelan initially but think he could also replace him and allow us to experiment with MVG or Affelay as I think he's more imposing than Whelan. Sure wages would be a major issue.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 27, 2015 12:26:20 GMT
I didn't say he's not getting games because of knee injuries. I'm saying he has a long-standing knee problem. I don't think because Fuller's knee was ok and Ba's knee was ok it means that everyone with a knee injury is ok really. The fact that Boateng did nothing at Schalke and the player in the Nzonzi role needs to be able to cover loads of ground, plus his alleged attitude problem, means it's one I'd prefer to steer clear of, personally. yup, lets stick with Sidwell. Fuller had supposed attitude problems, so does arnautovic, it's easy to become labelled with one in today's perfect world full of inperfect people. It's more the injuries n not his ability why I wouldn't want him mate
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Post by alster on Aug 27, 2015 12:26:19 GMT
Not responded to the op. Of course Nolan's worth a season.
At Port fucking Vale.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 27, 2015 12:30:49 GMT
We already have 26 players and a decision to be made as to who misses out, is it worth losing another one of them for Nolan?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 12:47:58 GMT
yup, lets stick with Sidwell. Fuller had supposed attitude problems, so does arnautovic, it's easy to become labelled with one in today's perfect world full of inperfect people. Sorry, are those the only options, signing him or sticking with Sidwell? maybe you could come up with another player who is teadily available and fots the mould? All im suggesting is maybe its a good idea to take a closer look at finer the details before writing players off. It is correct though, people are labelled quickly these days by people who have no idea of the events leading to the label, a perfect example of todays society
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 12:49:50 GMT
The perfect scfc signing if you ask me if given the benefit of doubt from 'our' medical team
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 12:51:27 GMT
Sorry, are those the only options, signing him or sticking with Sidwell? maybe you could come up with another player who is readily available and fits the mould? All im suggesting is maybe its a good idea to take a closer look at the details before writing players off. It is correct though, people are labelled quickly these days by people who have no idea of the events leading to the label, a perfect example of todays society Sure in the whole wide world of football there has to be more than one player available? De Guzman I'd prefer. If Dembele's available I'd push the boat out for him. I'd consider Diame as a short-term fix, though he always fades after a good start. Mikel, Lucas, Song if any of those are genuinely realistic. I think he'll persevere with MVG though and I still think there's every chance MVG will come good.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:06:30 GMT
maybe you could come up with another player who is readily available and fits the mould? All im suggesting is maybe its a good idea to take a closer look at the details before writing players off. It is correct though, people are labelled quickly these days by people who have no idea of the events leading to the label, a perfect example of todays society I think he'll persevere with MVG though and I still think there's every chance MVG will come good. Maybe, when the word "chance" is involved though you are talking about a gamble.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:10:08 GMT
I always thought he played mainly on the right for Pompey, might be wrong? This bloke'd be another dogs' home gamble. Think I'd prefer Mikel personally. I'd play him alongside Whelan initially but think he could also replace him and allow us to experiment with MVG or Affelay as I think he's more imposing than Whelan. Sure wages would be a major issue. Is Mikel readilyavailable though and I've yet to see him complete a full season or even half of one for that matter?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:11:47 GMT
I think he'll persevere with MVG though and I still think there's every chance MVG will come good. Maybe, when the word "chance" is involved though you are talking about a gamble. Every signing is a gamble to some extent. Some are bigger gambles than others. I'm happy to believe we'll see the best of van Ginkel.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:12:40 GMT
Think I'd prefer Mikel personally. I'd play him alongside Whelan initially but think he could also replace him and allow us to experiment with MVG or Affelay as I think he's more imposing than Whelan. Sure wages would be a major issue. Is Mikel readilyavailable though and I've yet to see him complete a full season or even half of one for that matter? Chelsea are desperate to move him on. Don't think he has a record of injury problems as far as I'm aware?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:13:04 GMT
Maybe, when the word "chance" is involved though you are talking about a gamble. Every signing is a gamble to some extent. Some are bigger gambles than others. I'm happy to believe we'll see the best of van Ginkel. Fair enough, for me personally I'd like to see a player in the Nzonzi mould come in to share the load as Sidwell clearly isn't the answer at this club
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:16:22 GMT
Is Mikel readilyavailable though and I've yet to see him complete a full season or even half of one for that matter? Chelsea are desperate to move him on. Don't think he has a record of injury problems as far as I'm aware? I didn't know that was the case and I'm not sure wether Mikel is more of a Whelan type than an Nzonzi type either. don't get me wrong if Stoke signed him I wouldn't be dissapointed either. I've just never seen jhim as an N'zonzi type of player
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Post by StokeAz on Aug 27, 2015 13:17:11 GMT
So everyone wants to get rid of Sidwell, a cm to then replace him with Nolan? No thanks he'd never play- Adam, Ireland, bojan and afellay are all better...
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:17:27 GMT
Nolan? Prince? Good God.......silly season is upon us!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2015 13:17:13 GMT
Chelsea are desperate to move him on. Don't think he has a record of injury problems as far as I'm aware? I didn't know that was the case and I'm not sure wether Mikel is more of a Whelan type than an Nzonzi type either. don't get me wrong if Stoke signed him I wouldn't be dissapointed either. I've just never seen jhim as an N'zonzi type of player For Chelsea he's very much in the Whelan role, but for Nigeria he plays a more box to box role.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:18:44 GMT
So everyone wants to get rid of Sidwell, a cm to then replace him with Nolan? No thanks he'd never play- Adam, Ireland, bojan and afellay are all better... er, no actually quite the opposite, it's just the O.P
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:20:54 GMT
I didn't know that was the case and I'm not sure wether Mikel is more of a Whelan type than an Nzonzi type either. don't get me wrong if Stoke signed him I wouldn't be dissapointed either. I've just never seen jhim as an N'zonzi type of player For Chelsea he's very much in the Whelan role, but for Nigeria he plays a more box to box role. If he is readily available why did we go for Mvg? Does mikel have fitness problems? Why has he never featured much and why is Mourhino desperate to get rid? Is he a poor trainer? inconsistent? It's strange he has been at Chelsea so long with so few appearances
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