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Post by TheWiseMaster on Aug 24, 2015 8:06:41 GMT
Not the first team to do this but the Norwich manager has clearly trained his team to foul
In particular, each time Stoke looked like making a break the Norwich defenders took it in turns to foul our players committing 3 times the fouls of Stoke and making sure that four different players were booked
This will have contributed to Stoke's lack of penetration second half
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 24, 2015 8:09:16 GMT
I think all four Norwich bookings were for pulling Diouf back.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 24, 2015 8:10:23 GMT
And we never ever did this when we came up?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 24, 2015 8:24:54 GMT
Sounding like Arsenal fans if we start complaining about this. They were smart professional fouls and I would expect my team to do the same.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 24, 2015 8:25:45 GMT
All players (including our own) are tempted to do this as in "it's worth taking a yellow card " type of foul.
TV pundits endorse it, especially if they were defenders
The only way to stop / discourage it is to be consistent with the officiating.
On Saturday the same player fouled Diouf on several occasions - similar incidents but only 1 booking
Conversely other players are deemed to be "playing for a foul" - encouraging the officials to give cards when maybe they are unjustified - we have players who do this quite well imo
The officials have a very difficult job, ideally they need to be stricter in both type of situation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 8:29:06 GMT
Not the first team to do this but the Norwich manager has clearly trained his team to foul In particular, each time Stoke looked like making a break the Norwich defenders took it in turns to foul our players committing 3 times the fouls of Stoke and making sure that four different players were booked This will have contributed to Stoke's lack of penetration second half Frustrating but it worked for them so you just have to get on with it. All part of the game..... |
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 24, 2015 8:36:51 GMT
it's going to happen when you have such a pacy frontman. Diouf accepts it and once booked accepts that that defender won't do it again.
Part of the game.
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Post by alster on Aug 24, 2015 8:37:04 GMT
All players (including our own) are tempted to do this as in "it's worth taking a yellow card " type of foul. TV pundits endorse it, especially if they were defenders The only way to stop / discourage it is to be consistent with the officiating. On Saturday the same player fouled Diouf on several occasions - similar incidents but only 1 booking Conversely other players are deemed to be "playing for a foul" - encouraging the officials to give cards when maybe they are unjustified - we have players who do this quite well imo The officials have a very difficult job, ideally they need to be stricter in both type of situation I've seen enough soft fouls and yellow and red cards already this season to last me a lifetime. The last thing we need is stricter officiating. I'm pretty fed up of seeing six foot professional athletes crumble at the merest touch. I know its become part of the game but I hate it, do these peopl3 have any self respect. They should be embarrassed to watch themselves on MOTD. |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Aug 24, 2015 8:56:31 GMT
To my knowledge, since we arrived in the Premier League we have not committed fouls in this fashion. I for one would not have supported it
Yes we were physical and would be pulled up for it but this planned fouling was not part of our tactics. Indeed we have been targeted unfairly by ref's since TP went for fouls when the opposition would be allowed to get away with the same
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2015 9:00:02 GMT
It was reprehensible, but their tactic of fluffing about 6 good scoring opportunities kind of made up for it!
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Post by metalhead on Aug 24, 2015 9:06:21 GMT
Oh come off it. Tactical fouls are part of the game. Just ask Glenn Whelan, he's made plenty of them.
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Post by alster on Aug 24, 2015 9:10:42 GMT
Oh come off it. Tactical fouls are part of the game. Just ask Glenn Whelan, he's made plenty of them. Too right. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 24, 2015 9:12:43 GMT
To my knowledge, since we arrived in the Premier League we have not committed fouls in this fashion. I for one would not have supported it Yes we were physical and would be pulled up for it but this planned fouling was not part of our tactics. Indeed we have been targeted unfairly by ref's since TP went for fouls when the opposition would be allowed to get away with the same What a load of tripe. Were your eyes closed when Delap, Whitehead, Diao etc etc were booked constantly for stopping counter attacks with cynical fouls? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 9:13:53 GMT
To my knowledge, since we arrived in the Premier League we have not committed fouls in this fashion. I for one would not have supported it Yes we were physical and would be pulled up for it but this planned fouling was not part of our tactics. Indeed we have been targeted unfairly by ref's since TP went for fouls when the opposition would be allowed to get away with the same As John Mcenroe used to say,you cannot be serious.We were one of the worst culprits under TP |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 9:13:57 GMT
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Post by rawli on Aug 24, 2015 9:15:54 GMT
To my knowledge, since we arrived in the Premier League we have not committed fouls in this fashion. I for one would not have supported it Yes we were physical and would be pulled up for it but this planned fouling was not part of our tactics. Indeed we have been targeted unfairly by ref's since TP went for fouls when the opposition would be allowed to get away with the same Suggest you take those red and white striped specs off. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2015 9:16:07 GMT
Mediocre mid-table outfit.
Stick to farming and fingering relatives you Massey Ferguson fuckwits.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 24, 2015 9:16:41 GMT
If there is anything disappointing in this, it is Stoke's lack of perspicacity in not focussing their attacks on defenders already on yellow cards. After 48 minutes both Norwich CBs were in the book and Stoke should have taken advantage of that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 9:26:05 GMT
Norwich were very quick to get at the ball when conceding free kicks, as with one incident with Affelay getting the irrits. Can't complain with SJW and Diouf being our masters of the art.
Anyone else notice the bear hug on Pieters for their goal? He'd have cut it out or had a good go. Cute enough move to have been a training ground tactic. Again we can't complain after the SJW American Football goal away to West Ham that we all still chortle about.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 24, 2015 9:29:54 GMT
If there is anything disappointing in this, it is Stoke's lack of perspicacity in not focussing their attacks on defenders already on yellow cards. After 48 minutes both Norwich CBs were in the book and Stoke should have taken advantage of that. The other disappointing thing is my inability to understand the word perspicacity. Is it another word for sweat? |
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Post by Northy on Aug 24, 2015 9:32:43 GMT
If there is anything disappointing in this, it is Stoke's lack of perspicacity in not focussing their attacks on defenders already on yellow cards. After 48 minutes both Norwich CBs were in the book and Stoke should have taken advantage of that. Agreed, and one of them should have at least been booked in the first half as well when he went through the back of Diouf, he wouldn't have pulled him back in the 2nd half then. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 24, 2015 9:49:26 GMT
As frustrating as it was tactical fouls are part of the game.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 24, 2015 9:56:30 GMT
Frustrating for us but they aren't arsed about us. Same as us when we first got promoted. Were we ever going to roll over for the good of the game?
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Post by wokinghampotter on Aug 24, 2015 14:04:30 GMT
I was not there on Saturday and was only able to watch on MOTD and what annoyed me most was having seen the stats of 16 fouls to 5 they showed 3 of 5 fouls Stoke committed in the few minutes on the TV Did they show each time Diouf got manhandled! NO
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 24, 2015 14:11:09 GMT
I think all four Norwich bookings were for pulling Diouf back. Brady should have been booked earlier, for a blatant handball stopping our attack, so should have had two yellows.Thought they were a right bunch of cynical twats. |
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2015 14:13:11 GMT
Not the first team to do this but the Norwich manager has clearly trained his team to foul In particular, each time Stoke looked like making a break the Norwich defenders took it in turns to foul our players committing 3 times the fouls of Stoke and making sure that four different players were booked This will have contributed to Stoke's lack of penetration second half To be fair, if players are on yellows then they need to be careful, which is to our advantage. We should have focused on getting these players their second yellows and sent off but lacked the penetration to make this happen. It's was probably naivety on our part too. I'm not against the Norwich tactics. As far as I'm concerned teams are entitled to do what they want in order to get good results. It's what we did in our first few seasons in terms of parking the bus, making the pitch smaller, wasting time on throws, etc. It's up to the other team to counter that. |
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 24, 2015 14:22:18 GMT
Not the first team to do this but the Norwich manager has clearly trained his team to foul In particular, each time Stoke looked like making a break the Norwich defenders took it in turns to foul our players committing 3 times the fouls of Stoke and making sure that four different players were booked This will have contributed to Stoke's lack of penetration second half That's football. We have to deal with it, and we are no saints ourselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 14:28:16 GMT
Cynical but nothing more than better teams have to constantly contend against. Stoke fans don't need to complain about this, but instead look forward to learning how to deal with it.
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Post by rawli on Aug 29, 2015 21:09:12 GMT
To my knowledge, since we arrived in the Premier League we have not committed fouls in this fashion. I for one would not have supported it Yes we were physical and would be pulled up for it but this planned fouling was not part of our tactics. Indeed we have been targeted unfairly by ref's since TP went for fouls when the opposition would be allowed to get away with the same You still stand by the planned fouling thing? Or did Tony only start doing this after he left us? |
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Post by esol on Aug 30, 2015 13:31:03 GMT
They've (Norwich) had a man Whittaker) sent off for it today - two yellows. If they're going to do it they need to be cuter about it imo.
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