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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2015 22:25:49 GMT
Fucking shit idea.
Keep the nukes!
We simply have to.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 25, 2015 7:16:34 GMT
You cannot say that it has been a waste of money though can you? The fact we are still here as an independent nation able to defend our ourselves says it has not been a waste of money. So the Soviets weren't worried about 192 targeted nuclear warheads. Yeh right that's straight from the CND Staff Handbook. No it's from the files that we're released after the collapse of the USSR. It's a fact that our deterrent wasn't dettering them. Therefore it has been an absolute waste of money. You've missed my point. We are here as an independent nation and member state of the UN Security Council because of our nuclear capability. Perhaps the Russians didn't see us as a threat alone but we were, and still are, a member of NATO which had It's combined nuclear arsenal ranged against the USSR. Even France, not a member of NATO, had her nuclear weapons to deter them. As I said previously, national security must be the governments highest priority. Always. This must include a nuclear capability whilst other countries possess them or have the technical capability of producing them. There is no arguement over this principal IMO.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 25, 2015 7:54:51 GMT
If Russia, China or America wanted to invade us, would us having nukes stop them? No. If Sweden, Portugal or Greece tried to invade us, would we fire a nuke at them? No.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 25, 2015 7:56:26 GMT
70 years after Hiroshima World peace still prevails . The end . Yeah, there hasn't been a single war anywhere on Earth since Hiroshima.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 9:23:59 GMT
70 years after Hiroshima World peace still prevails . The end . Yeah, there hasn't been a single war anywhere on Earth since Hiroshima. That's right dear .
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Post by skip on Aug 25, 2015 9:35:16 GMT
And Russia annexes Crimea and everyone is too shit scared to do anything. ISIS aren't scared of nuclear weapons. They're sodding useless (as well as being rather horrible when they go bang).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 10:59:01 GMT
And Russia annexes Crimea and everyone is too shit scared to do anything. ISIS aren't scared of nuclear weapons. They're sodding useless (as well as being rather horrible when they go bang). 70 years without a World War proves you're wrong . You've then go on to weaken your argument even more by quoting two examples where nuclear war fare is simply not appropriate or proportionate . Russia's leader is a loose cannon as we all know . In ten years time or even less he will be history and as a result any action we consider currently might be pointless when a new leader comes to power who is possibly more amiable to change. It's called international diplomacy . Some times it's better to stroke the dog than beat it to death .
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 25, 2015 11:21:44 GMT
Yeah Putin's a real loose cannon. Thank fuck Cameron & Obama told him he was wrong when he wanted to give all those weapons & support to Daesh...
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2015 12:15:37 GMT
No it's from the files that we're released after the collapse of the USSR. It's a fact that our deterrent wasn't dettering them. Therefore it has been an absolute waste of money. You've missed my point. We are here as an independent nation and member state of the UN Security Council because of our nuclear capability. Perhaps the Russians didn't see us as a threat alone but we were, and still are, a member of NATO which had It's combined nuclear arsenal ranged against the USSR. Even France, not a member of NATO, had her nuclear weapons to deter them. As I said previously, national security must be the governments highest priority. Always. This must include a nuclear capability whilst other countries possess them or have the technical capability of producing them. There is no arguement over this principal IMO. We do not act,on the world stage,independantly (or very very rarely). Britains influence comes from it's soft power. the Nuclear capabilities we have is soley re internal politics.
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 25, 2015 12:28:05 GMT
When you put your life in the hands of the enemy you lose your right for debate . 70 years after Hiroshima World peace still prevails . The end . World peace. What planet are you living on?
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 25, 2015 12:35:47 GMT
Fucking shit idea. Keep the nukes! We simply have to. No we don't. It's a fucking shit idea to keep them because they are useless and cost too much. What's your reasoning?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 12:51:39 GMT
When you put your life in the hands of the enemy you lose your right for debate . 70 years after Hiroshima World peace still prevails . The end . World peace. What planet are you living on? Not the same one as you obviously .
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 25, 2015 13:03:32 GMT
World peace. What planet are you living on? Not the same one as you obviously . More than happy to "like" that post.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2015 13:19:32 GMT
Fucking shit idea. Keep the nukes! We simply have to. No we don't. It's a fucking shit idea to keep them because they are useless and cost too much. What's your reasoning? Read the pro stuff on this thread, that!
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 25, 2015 13:28:41 GMT
Fucking shit idea. Keep the nukes! We simply have to. Spot on Thumbs up
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 25, 2015 13:30:03 GMT
No we don't. It's a fucking shit idea to keep them because they are useless and cost too much. What's your reasoning? Read the pro stuff on this thread, that! Fair enough. Just as a matter of interest though are you aware of how much they're going to cost us?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2015 13:34:47 GMT
Read the pro stuff on this thread, that! Fair enough. Just as a matter of interest though are you aware of how much they're going to cost us? Fuck loads, I'm a war mongering armchair general though.......
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 25, 2015 13:41:27 GMT
Fair enough. Just as a matter of interest though are you aware of how much they're going to cost us? Fuck loads, I'm a war mongering armchair general though....... Hahaha, thats' very honest of you.
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