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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 3, 2015 16:57:18 GMT
Hindsight is always 20/20 Not when you're looking through tears of sentimentality.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2015 16:58:03 GMT
Fair enough so it's his judgement that is the problem, if Wolf is a better option than Huth I will eat my socks. Muniesa was Huths replacement , woolly was probably a squad player And to think Huth lost his place due to injury, I love Muni but he is less likely to play more than five games together than Huth, if you are right why did we sign Wolfy and sell Huth if he was not his squad replacement, by the way what is your honest opinion on Wolfy after his five months on loan and a full pre season ?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2015 16:58:55 GMT
Hindsight is always 20/20 Not when you're looking through tears of sentimentality. Nor is it viewed through a pigs head.
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Post by onionman on Aug 3, 2015 17:01:28 GMT
This whole situation is similar to when your wife finds one of your old, past-its-best jumpers at the back of the wardrobe, and insists on throwing it away.
You argue it's a good and useful jumper, with some sentimental value, but she points out you haven't worn it for the entire time she's known you, so it can't be that good. Her logic is hard to deny so you reluctantly agree to take it to a charity shop, but all the while you have a sneaky feeling at the back of your mind that just won't go away, that this time your wife is wrong, and there will be one terrible wet and windy night in the future when you'll be shivering your bollocks off in the fashionable Jamie Oliver style tracksuit top she bought you for Christmas, while some other git is feeling nice and warm in your old jumper.
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 3, 2015 17:05:40 GMT
This whole situation is similar to when your wife finds one of your old, past-its-best jumpers at the back of the wardrobe, and insists on throwing it away. You argue it's a good and useful jumper, with some sentimental value, but she points out you haven't worn it for the entire time she's known you, so it can't be that good. Her logic is hard to deny so you reluctantly agree to take it to a charity shop, but all the while you have a sneaky feeling at the back of your mind that just won't go away, that this time your wife is wrong, and there will be one terrible wet and windy night in the future when you'll be shivering your bollocks off in the fashionable Jamie Oliver style tracksuit top she bought you for Christmas, while some other git is feeling nice and warm in your old jumper. Yeah, and the same few people will keep bringing it up on internet message boards, even on threads which were meant to be about trousers or espadrilles.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2015 17:10:19 GMT
This whole situation is similar to when your wife finds one of your old, past-its-best jumpers at the back of the wardrobe, and insists on throwing it away. You argue it's a good and useful jumper, with some sentimental value, but she points out you haven't worn it for the entire time she's known you, so it can't be that good. Her logic is hard to deny so you reluctantly agree to take it to a charity shop, but all the while you have a sneaky feeling at the back of your mind that just won't go away, that this time your wife is wrong, and there will be one terrible wet and windy night in the future when you'll be shivering your bollocks off in the fashionable Jamie Oliver style tracksuit top she bought you for Christmas, while some other git is feeling nice and warm in your old jumper. Very good but that old jumper could be a hugo boss that you love and has never let you down, the replacement the bimbo has bought is new, shiny made in a sweat shop in India from Primark and will fall apart as soon as you try wearing it, I know which one I would rather be seen in.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 3, 2015 17:15:00 GMT
Muniesa was Huths replacement , woolly was probably a squad player And to think Huth lost his place due to injury, I love Muni but he is less likely to play more than five games together than Huth, if you are right why did we sign Wolfy and sell Huth if he was not his squad replacement, by the way what is your honest opinion on Wolfy after his five months on loan and a full pre season ? Hope over expectation after his performance yesterday , I'm clinging on to the fact he played well in his early games last season
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Post by nott1 on Aug 3, 2015 17:16:09 GMT
Don't think it's ego , if Hughes told the player he isn't in his plans and his future lies elsewhere I don't see any way back from that position and at his age huth would want to secure his future Fair enough so it's his judgement that is the problem, if Wolf is a better option than Huth I will eat my socks. He's not even better than TEX.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 3, 2015 17:17:49 GMT
This whole situation is similar to when your wife finds one of your old, past-its-best jumpers at the back of the wardrobe, and insists on throwing it away. You argue it's a good and useful jumper, with some sentimental value, but she points out you haven't worn it for the entire time she's known you, so it can't be that good. Her logic is hard to deny so you reluctantly agree to take it to a charity shop, but all the while you have a sneaky feeling at the back of your mind that just won't go away, that this time your wife is wrong, and there will be one terrible wet and windy night in the future when you'll be shivering your bollocks off in the fashionable Jamie Oliver style tracksuit top she bought you for Christmas, while some other git is feeling nice and warm in your old jumper. I thought it was just me that had that problem , my euro 96 Y fronts had plenty of life left in them
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 3, 2015 17:29:30 GMT
Robert Huth shows the determination to get his head on the ball which Stoke have been lacking of late, according to assistant boss Mark Bowen They go into tomorrow's home clash with Sunderland (3pm) with a Premier League high of conceding nearly half their 41 goals from set pieces. And that has left Bowen stating: "You've got to have the desire to make first contact. You get first contact on any corner and the opposition are something like 75 per cent less likely to score.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 3, 2015 17:36:53 GMT
Please wait till the season starts.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 3, 2015 17:45:58 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job.
Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 3, 2015 17:48:08 GMT
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Post by adamsson on Aug 3, 2015 18:42:38 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. far too sensible for this board
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2015 7:44:10 GMT
We should never have sold Stan.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 4, 2015 7:48:46 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. Surely you can't have watched Blackburn away or the car crash that was Sunderland at home. His performance in the Sunderland game has to be the poorest performance I have witnessed from a Stoke defender since we got promoted. That surely has to be a concern.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 4, 2015 7:57:51 GMT
People didn't need any hindsight - Shawx's injury last season was a clear siren that we shouldn't have been hasty with Huth - particularly given Huth's recovery at Leicester.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:14:15 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 4, 2015 8:18:48 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk. People were saying the same about Diouf weren't they?
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Post by vahl on Aug 4, 2015 8:25:23 GMT
We could always have Crouchy 'do a Dion Dublin' and get him to become a CB. He would put Mertesacker & Hangeland to shame. I'm not sure what's going on with Ryan's injury and we could do with some clarification on it but, Huth was sold on and replaced in the squad by a manager that obviously didn't rate him. That's good enough for me. Huth was certainly not getting this kind of attention when he wasn't included in the team over the last couple of seasons, when we were flying high?
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2015 8:26:11 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk. But he has put in good performances and been praised on here for them. To be fair to the lad he was chucked in at the deep end and as performed inconsistently because of that. What isn't fair is the lad getting abused because of Ryan injury and no matter how you look at it that's why he is copping it. Nothing would be said if Ryan was fit and healthy.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:26:06 GMT
People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk. People were saying the same about Diouf weren't they? That's true, me being one of them, but the point here is that no-one is basing their opinion on Wollscheid (correct or not) on anything but their perception of his football ability.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 4, 2015 8:30:45 GMT
People were saying the same about Diouf weren't they? That's true, me being one of them, but the point here is that no-one is basing their opinion on Wollscheid (correct or not) on anything but their perception of his football ability. So what were opinions about Diouf based on? For the record, I see Wolly as back up for Ryan and Muni. Ryan's back issue is a concern but if you take your best players out of any team then you are weaker. The facts are that despite Robert being a superb player for us over the years he hasn't played for 2 years - in that time we have got much better as a TEAM. It's clear the manager didn't want Robert in his in plans so that's enough for me.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:34:19 GMT
People are concerned about him because he's not up to the required standard. If he'd come in and delivered the sort of performances that were on a par, or even better, than Huth's do you think anybody would be moaning about him ? Wollscheid looks far too slow at this level, has the turning circle of the QE2 and is surprisingly weak for a bloke his size. No-one wanted him to be crap, regardless of who he replaced, that's just silly talk. But he has put in good performances and been praised on here for them. To be fair to the lad he was chucked in at the deep end and as performed inconsistently because of that. What isn't fair is the lad getting abused because of Ryan injury and no matter how you look at it that's why he is copping it. Nothing would be said if Ryan was fit and healthy. What do we mean by 'chucked in at the deep end'? He's a German international in his mid-20s, so he should be more than capable of coming into a side and bedding in within a few games. People are bound to discuss Wollscheid in light of Ryan's injury because as soon as the skipper's not available it immediately prompts the question of who's going to replace him. No-one is really concerned about Muniesa starting because on the whole he's looked consistently good. Wilson and Wollscheid are in the same boat: they've both put in a few good performances, but the amount of bad ones and fatal flaws they possess means that people are rightly concerned about the prospect of either getting an extended run in the team. To be fair I'd say that Wilson is the better option of the two.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:39:08 GMT
That's true, me being one of them, but the point here is that no-one is basing their opinion on Wollscheid (correct or not) on anything but their perception of his football ability. So what were opinions about Diouf based on? For the record, I see Wolly as back up for Ryan and Muni. Ryan's back issue is a concern but if you take your best players out of any team then you are weaker. The facts are that despite Robert being a superb player for us over the years he hasn't played for 2 years - in that time we have got much better as a TEAM. It's clear the manager didn't want Robert in his in plans so that's enough for me. His early season performances...an assessment that wasn't correct...which, again, is not the point I'm making in reference to Boother's assertion that the only reason we don't rate him is "because he isn't Robert Huth". If you want to have a discussion on whether it's possible for us to call it wrong on players, and use Diouf as an example, then that's fine- I'd agree with you. But that's a different argument entirely.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 4, 2015 8:40:44 GMT
I seriously don't understand this vitriol towards Wollscheid. He's getting absolutely arseraped on here because he isn't Robert Huth. He wasn't amazing but he was chucked in at the deep end and to be honest, didn't do that bad of a job. Some would have you believe we'd be better playing with ten men. Grow fucking up. Surely you can't have watched Blackburn away or the car crash that was Sunderland at home. His performance in the Sunderland game has to be the poorest performance I have witnessed from a Stoke defender since we got promoted. That surely has to be a concern. If you're basing it on Blackburn then there are a fair few of the squad who should never weear the shirt again - wasn't just Wollscheid that had a stinker that day. As for Sunderland yes he was poor but the ironic cheers when he did complete a pass or a clearance can't have helped his confidence. He came in half way through the season clearly not match fit and to be fair he had a few decent games as well. He's decided he wants to play for Stoke so give the guy and chance and get behind him for fuck's sake
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2015 8:41:45 GMT
But he has put in good performances and been praised on here for them. To be fair to the lad he was chucked in at the deep end and as performed inconsistently because of that. What isn't fair is the lad getting abused because of Ryan injury and no matter how you look at it that's why he is copping it. Nothing would be said if Ryan was fit and healthy. What do we mean by 'chucked in at the deep end'? He's a German international in his mid-20s, so he should be more than capable of coming into a side and bedding in within a few games. People are bound to discuss Wollscheid in light of Ryan's injury because as soon as the skipper's not available it immediately prompts the question of who's going to replace him. No-one is really concerned about Muniesa starting because on the whole he's looked consistently good. Wilson and Wollscheid are in the same boat: they've both put in a few good performances, but the amount of bad ones and fatal flaws they possess means that people are rightly concerned about the prospect of either getting an extended run in the team. To be fair I'd say that Wilson is the better option of the two. Discuss yes, beat the living day lights out of is uncalled for. You know as well as I do there are differences between leagues from around the world. Let's take Muniesa for instance. He was introduced slowly into the team and as done incredibly well for it. Wollschield didn't get that and as struggled to adjust.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 4, 2015 8:45:05 GMT
So what were opinions about Diouf based on? For the record, I see Wolly as back up for Ryan and Muni. Ryan's back issue is a concern but if you take your best players out of any team then you are weaker. The facts are that despite Robert being a superb player for us over the years he hasn't played for 2 years - in that time we have got much better as a TEAM. It's clear the manager didn't want Robert in his in plans so that's enough for me. His early season performances...an assessment that wasn't correct...which, again, is not the point I'm making in reference to Boother's assertion that the only reason we don't rate him is "because he isn't Robert Huth". If you want to have a discussion on whether it's possible for us to call it wrong on players, and use Diouf as an example, then that's fine- I'd agree with you. But that's a different argument entirely. I disagree to a certain extent. I think people are giving Wolly a hard time for 3 reasons 1. According to some he's replaced Huth. Has he? Surely Wilson replaced Huth who has been replaced by Marc Muniesa. Wolly has been brought in to add cover and provide competition for places. 2. Ryan's injury and 3. He's had two particularly poor games, but both of those games, especially Blackburn, the whole team were desperate and we played with 10 men for over half the game.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 4, 2015 8:47:24 GMT
There's a difference being a defender for Stoke and for Arsenal or Chelsea. Stoke will inevitably be under more pressure during games, the primary skill needed is defensive and determination to win the ball, getting forward and crossing is of secondary importance. That's where the signings of Johnson and Wollsceid worry me, they are undoubtedly superior at passing than Huth etc. but they lack the steel needed to get the ball at whatever cost, both are wishy washy defensively and lack the determination to take the man out if needed or get hurt in the process.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2015 8:48:10 GMT
What do we mean by 'chucked in at the deep end'? He's a German international in his mid-20s, so he should be more than capable of coming into a side and bedding in within a few games. People are bound to discuss Wollscheid in light of Ryan's injury because as soon as the skipper's not available it immediately prompts the question of who's going to replace him. No-one is really concerned about Muniesa starting because on the whole he's looked consistently good. Wilson and Wollscheid are in the same boat: they've both put in a few good performances, but the amount of bad ones and fatal flaws they possess means that people are rightly concerned about the prospect of either getting an extended run in the team. To be fair I'd say that Wilson is the better option of the two. Discuss yes, beat the living day lights out of is uncalled for. You know as well as I do there are differences between leagues from around the world. Let's take Muniesa for instance. He was introduced slowly into the team and as done incredibly well for it. Wollschield didn't get that and as struggled to adjust. True but Wollscheid is five years older than Muniesa. His problem isn't a lack of experience it's his physical makeup- he's slow and moves awkwardly. Maybe he can overcome that (Per Mertesecker appears to have done so), but people are concerned about it and have a right to express their opinions on here.
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