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Post by trigger on Aug 2, 2015 11:53:08 GMT
This malarky with he's fit, not fit is totally gash, he's still got two legs and half a brain, that's all he needed to do to block the player.
Cheap freebie signing, typical Stoke.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 2, 2015 11:53:19 GMT
It pains me, it really does, to have to say I agree with Ukey, Sheiky and Carpy. In fact it may be a first time ever. But that tackle, or rather non-tackle, has to rank up there with the worst plays. Yes, it's a friendly, etc., etc., but it's hard to imagine how a professional footballer, or ANY footballer, finding himself in that position with two minutes to go in ANY game including on Wolstanton Marsh, would have simply decided not to bother. In the NFL, they have defensive coordinators. Is it possible that Hughes doesn't know defence as well as he knows offence?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 2, 2015 12:01:50 GMT
I fuckin despair I really do. We haven't even kicked a ball in anger yet. Pre season is used to assess the suitability, fitness etc of the players you have at your disposal for the start of the next season, on the evidence so far we appear to be weaker than last season, it was obvious that Johnson was not fit in any way to warrant a start against Liverpool. How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on.
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Post by trigger on Aug 2, 2015 12:08:22 GMT
Pre season is used to assess the suitability, fitness etc of the players you have at your disposal for the start of the next season, on the evidence so far we appear to be weaker than last season, it was obvious that Johnson was not fit in any way to warrant a start against Liverpool. How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. What a silly statement to make, nobody in their right mind would contemplate wanting Hughes to fail. Hughes has been let down by the people who control the finances and the blundering idiots who are supposedly attempting to put together a package that attracts these .so called, next generation players. Face facts they're not coming
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Post by fca47 on Aug 2, 2015 12:10:04 GMT
Look out here come the Pulis haters. They equate any criticism of current players with a desire for Hughes to be replaced by Pulis. Give it a rest mate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:13:37 GMT
We all want Stoke to achieve higher status. We don't want Stoke to get beaten in any match. Friendly or not, that was a disgrace of an attempt to tackle, and he should definitely not play next weekend! Like other players that come here, he deserves his chance long term, but I wasn't too impressed when we signed him. I sincerely hope that he proves us wrong long term, but I have my reservations.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 2, 2015 12:16:29 GMT
How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. What a silly statement to make, nobody in their right mind would contemplate wanting Hughes to fail. Hughes has been let down by the people who control the finances and the blundering idiots who are supposedly attempting to put together a package that attracts these .so called, next generation players. Face facts they're not coming Not a silly statement at all, it's a fact. You only have to look at who are the fiercest critics of new signings - that's correct - high ranking rimmers. Your second paragraph is correct and I agree with it. Unfortunately your third could well be true as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:18:43 GMT
One. Pre. Season. Game.
I don't even know why I'm surprised anymore.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 2, 2015 12:25:07 GMT
We're going down because we lost to Brentford, we must be! I am quite obviously taking the piss here.
Some on here are either seriously lacking in intelligence or are on a wind up mission. A missed tackle and lack of match fitness and he's being lambasted on here. Some of you can't wait to have a go. You're probably the same people that were quick to have a go at Bojan in his first few games. Sad twats.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 2, 2015 12:27:06 GMT
How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. What a silly statement to make, nobody in their right mind would contemplate wanting Hughes to fail. Hughes has been let down by the people who control the finances and the blundering idiots who are supposedly attempting to put together a package that attracts these .so called, next generation players. Face facts they're not coming As usual, we must have someone to blame. What factual evidence do you have that there's problems with the finances available? Just because our package (sensible fees, sensible wages - as required by all on this board?) has not attracted the better players we want/need, then the people mandated to sell the package are 'blundering idiots' - obviously you must have been in on some of the negotiations in order to make such a judgement. We are a solid, midtable Prem side, recently emerging from what is perceived as a footballing Stone Age. It may take a few years of top half achievement before we are automatically included in players' lists of desirable clubs. In addition, We cannot offer European football which, for many players (like it or not) is a pre-requisite. We need better players to get into Europe to get better players to join us - chicken and egg?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 2, 2015 12:51:41 GMT
Pre season is used to assess the suitability, fitness etc of the players you have at your disposal for the start of the next season, on the evidence so far we appear to be weaker than last season, it was obvious that Johnson was not fit in any way to warrant a start against Liverpool. How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. "people are desperate for this manager to fail" how you of all people have got the nerve to say that is utterly mind boggling
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 13:07:05 GMT
Topic is broadening now, This was/is, about one player - and one incident
I think we can all agree, we ALL want Stoke City to do well
We all want the manager to do well
and, We all want this player to do well
For me, All I would've hoped after yesterday was that:- if Mark Hughes does indeed have a 'hairdryer' - it wouldve been used on this player yesterday
i.e. Just to set him straight about what it is to play for Stoke City
i.e. you leave absolutely nothing behind on the pitch - ever !
We have a reputation to upkeep - Arsenal are usually a beaten side in our tunnel, precisely because of this mindset.
Under Pulis we played with an 'iron fist' - under Hughes its 'an iron fist inside a velvet glove'
We cannot afford players to soften up - bottle out in match critical incidents or, be slapdash EVER
not even in friendly tournaments like this one where literally, millions could be watching
That was not the Stoke City I know, yesterday and, that one incident with two minutes to go, put the cherry on top
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 2, 2015 13:18:54 GMT
I think you're stamping your feet too loudly now Tone. If we'd left the field with multiple bumps, bruises, hamstring tears and breakages through over commitment in what is essentially part of a warm up/preparation for the Prem curtain raiser, then we'd all be gutted. It looked sloppy and a poor decision by Johnson, let's hope he's got that one 'out of his system'. Cool yer boots, you'll have a contusion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 13:20:33 GMT
calming down now - its only taken 'just the 24 hours'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 13:20:56 GMT
It was terrible defending and there is no doubt he's not been playing well for some time.
He played better going forward.
We still have the Hughes factor to consider and hopefully, given time, he can get the most out of him.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 2, 2015 13:22:57 GMT
How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. "people are desperate for this manager to fail" how you of all people have got the nerve to say that is utterly mind boggling I think we are all desperate for him and Stoke City to succeed It's watching him having to operate on a shoestring (compared to other Premier League teams because it is) budget where he has to constantly dip into the pool of 'Past it but free' My attitude would be different if it wasn't for 5 transfer windows of it. For all those who say 'it's served us well' let's see what happens when many of the players who we did pay fees for go (Huth, Bego and Nzonzi have started the exodus) It's not a sustainable strategy and we WILL suffer if it continues
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 2, 2015 13:25:03 GMT
Topic is broadening now, This was/is, about one player - and one incident I think we can all agree, we ALL want Stoke City to do wellWe all want the manager to do welland, We all want this player to do wellFor me, All I would've hoped after yesterday was that:- if Mark Hughes does indeed have a 'hairdryer' - it wouldve been used on this player yesterday i.e. Just to set him straight about what it is to play for Stoke Cityi.e. you leave absolutely nothing behind on the pitch - ever ! We have a reputation to upkeep - Arsenal are usually a beaten side in our tunnel, precisely because of this mindset. Under Pulis we played with an 'iron fist' - under Hughes its 'an iron fist inside a velvet glove' We cannot afford players to soften up - bottle out in match critical incidents or, be slapdash EVER not even in friendly tournaments like this one where literally, millions could be watching That was not the Stoke City I know, yesterday and, that one incident with two minutes to go, put the cherry on top We've always been pretty useless in friendly matches from my experience.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 2, 2015 13:38:35 GMT
How did you feel about losing to Rhyl in pre season a few years ago. Let's face it, people are desperate for this manager to fail. Strange but spot on. "people are desperate for this manager to fail" how you of all people have got the nerve to say that is utterly mind boggling You'll find no evidence whatsoever that I have said or intimated I wanted Pulis to fail. I acknowledged he did a good job but could of done better.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 2, 2015 13:40:12 GMT
"people are desperate for this manager to fail" how you of all people have got the nerve to say that is utterly mind boggling You'll find no evidence whatsoever that I have said or intimated I wanted Pulis to fail. I acknowledged he did a good job but could of done better. Really?i beg to differ but it doesn't matter anyway because it's about the here and now.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 2, 2015 13:50:35 GMT
Had it happened after 5 minutes I would have slated him. An obviously unfit player after 88 minutes, I can forgive as long as he makes a big effort to regain fitness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 14:10:20 GMT
The thing about pre season nowadays is the games do matter, for one thing, they are shown worldwide.
You win a pre season tournament and it goes around the world
You turn up a damp squib like we have done - twice now, and it means your'e STILL cannon fodder - little people
In Singapore I believe there were no home strips to sell - fucking ridiculous for a premier league club to be in that situation
it all matters now - on and off the pitch - at Wrexham we turned up all business like -there was only one out come from the first kick -we need this wherever and whoever we play
whats happened in our pre season tells me - we've still a very long way to go squad wise and off the pitch wise before we can challenge the bigger clubs
all the year around
And, as for being poor at pre season friendlies , I seem to recall us doing rather well pre season in the Anglo Italian cup and winning the Watney cup years back
sets you up - winning stuff - before a season starts
As opposed to - turning up just to make up the numbers, playing ahalf assed squad eleven or supposed 'seasoned professionals' literally 'bottling' out of match losing tackles - with not even a fucking shirt to sell !
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Post by chaydlestokie on Aug 2, 2015 14:28:47 GMT
He pulled out as it was a nail on penalty and red had he tackled. He did the right thing in that situation, pre season friendly and all. Just bad luck the guy found his man in the box; some you win and some you lose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 14:30:12 GMT
wow - so it is indeed a non contact sport then ?
ball was there to be won -that much is obvious
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 14:31:32 GMT
What a silly statement to make, nobody in their right mind would contemplate wanting Hughes to fail. Hughes has been let down by the people who control the finances and the blundering idiots who are supposedly attempting to put together a package that attracts these .so called, next generation players. Face facts they're not coming Not a silly statement at all, it's a fact. You only have to look at who are the fiercest critics of new signings - that's correct - high ranking rimmers. Your second paragraph is correct and I agree with it. Unfortunately your third could well be true as well. I was one of Pulis's fiercest critics in his last two seasons with us that is a fact, I do not blame Hughes it is not his fault we are signing players on the cheap, loans or freebies, the two I can not understand is Wolly and Johnson both I believe will come back to bite him on the arse next season.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 14:35:18 GMT
"people are desperate for this manager to fail" how you of all people have got the nerve to say that is utterly mind boggling I think we are all desperate for him and Stoke City to succeed It's watching him having to operate on a shoestring (compared to other Premier League teams because it is) budget where he has to constantly dip into the pool of 'Past it but free' My attitude would be different if it wasn't for 5 transfer windows of it. For all those who say 'it's served us well' let's see what happens when many of the players who we did pay fees for go (Huth, Bego and Nzonzi have started the exodus) It's not a sustainable strategy and we WILL suffer if it continues Common sense post ! it is so obvious that Hughes is being denied the funding to strengthen what we had, why in God's name we sold a fit Robert Huth though is beyond belief when you consider the replacement.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 2, 2015 14:36:16 GMT
Topic is broadening now, This was/is, about one player - and one incident I think we can all agree, we ALL want Stoke City to do wellWe all want the manager to do welland, We all want this player to do wellFor me, All I would've hoped after yesterday was that:- if Mark Hughes does indeed have a 'hairdryer' - it wouldve been used on this player yesterday i.e. Just to set him straight about what it is to play for Stoke Cityi.e. you leave absolutely nothing behind on the pitch - ever ! We have a reputation to upkeep - Arsenal are usually a beaten side in our tunnel, precisely because of this mindset. Under Pulis we played with an 'iron fist' - under Hughes its 'an iron fist inside a velvet glove' We cannot afford players to soften up - bottle out in match critical incidents or, be slapdash EVER not even in friendly tournaments like this one where literally, millions could be watching That was not the Stoke City I know, yesterday and, that one incident with two minutes to go, put the cherry on top Calm down Tone, you'll do yourself a mischief!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 14:44:01 GMT
wow - so it is indeed a non contact sport then ? ball was there to be won -that much is obvious I do not know any defender from any level that would have acted the way Johnson did yesterday, pathetic as are the excuses.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Aug 2, 2015 19:56:30 GMT
What happened I missed the missed tackle So did Glenn that was kind of the point of the poster
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 20:18:01 GMT
Glen Johnson has been wank for several years now and is no longer good enough for the premier league.
I am hugely pissed off that we have wasted money giving this guy a contract
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 3, 2015 3:47:35 GMT
Give him a fucking chance.
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