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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 30, 2015 19:24:35 GMT
Everytime ive seen him play ive been impressed
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 30, 2015 19:32:18 GMT
Certainly a player the capped one would like.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 19:38:51 GMT
Excellent midfielder, just the sort we need in the long term to replace Glen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:40:42 GMT
Good midfield destroyer, don't see why he'd leave though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:47:12 GMT
Celtic paid 900k for him. Shows you don't need to spend massively.
Belgium is a great hunting ground for Premier League teams due to most of their youth sides playing the much fabled 4231 system.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 30, 2015 19:50:04 GMT
Celtic paid 900k for him. Shows you don't need to spend massively. Belgium is a great hunting ground for Premier League teams due to most of their youth sides playing the much fabled 4231 system. Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 19:54:19 GMT
Celtic paid 900k for him. Shows you don't need to spend massively. Belgium is a great hunting ground for Premier League teams due to most of their youth sides playing the much fabled 4231 system. Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... |
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Post by themistocles on Jul 30, 2015 19:59:52 GMT
Celtic paid 900k for him. Shows you don't need to spend massively. Belgium is a great hunting ground for Premier League teams due to most of their youth sides playing the much fabled 4231 system. Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. Yet spending money and signing him for around the 9 mill Southampton paid, is still great business. Arguments on both sides... |
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 30, 2015 20:04:48 GMT
Good player but being objective here so don't shoot me down.......why would he want to come to Stoke?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 30, 2015 20:05:26 GMT
He'd be great in our set-up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:08:08 GMT
Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... Guess it depends on how you define 'done well' really. Both Southampton and Swansea have spent (net), on average, around £3m per season for the last 5 seasons and have finished top 7/8 in that time. |
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Post by turtlefox on Jul 30, 2015 20:15:52 GMT
We would have never had paid £12 million for him, even now but he would be a superb player at Stoke. Can't see Southampton letting up on him. Solid player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 20:22:32 GMT
Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... Guess it depends on how you define 'done well' really. Both Southampton and Swansea have spent (net), on average, around £3m per season for the last 5 seasons and have finished top 7/8 in that time. They have net but last season Southampton spent what 50m? If we were getting 80m and spending I'm sure people would be happy. Especially if like Soton I don't think they lost their better players. They have this time around mainly in Schneiderlin (sp) and Alderweild (I didn't rate Lovren at all  ) so it's going to be interesting to see how they do! Swansea in the year they won the league cup spent about 16m. But got 25m in from Allen (again another player I find utterly replacable ), Sinclair and 5m from selling Danny Graham (kudos to the Hull transfer team in that window). Season after they spent about 20m and got nowt in bar a loan fee for Ki I'd imagine. Last season they spent no idea....mainly undiscloseds but they got in Cork, Sigurdsson, Montero, Emnes, Fernandez and Naughton (only with a fee of 5m). So about 15-20m? With quite a bit coming in, 28m + a few more. But it still shows that both despite losing players have spent what for clubs of our size a decent chunk of money! |
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2015 20:27:11 GMT
Certainly a player the capped one would like. Mark Hughes (you know, our manager) wanted him when he first arrived didn't he? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:31:04 GMT
Guess it depends on how you define 'done well' really. Both Southampton and Swansea have spent (net), on average, around £3m per season for the last 5 seasons and have finished top 7/8 in that time. They have net but last season Southampton spent what 50m? If we were getting 80m and spending I'm sure people would be happy. Especially if like Soton I don't think they lost their better players. They have this time around mainly in Schneiderlin (sp) and Alderweild (I didn't rate Lovren at all ) so it's going to be interesting to see how they do! Swansea in the year they won the league cup spent about 16m. But got 25m in from Allen (again another player I find utterly replacable ), Sinclair and 5m from selling Danny Graham (kudos to the Hull transfer team in that window). Season after they spent about 20m and got nowt in bar a loan fee for Ki I'd imagine. Last season they spent no idea....mainly undiscloseds but they got in Cork, Sigurdsson, Montero, Emnes, Fernandez and Naughton (only with a fee of 5m). So about 15-20m? With quite a bit coming in, 28m + a few more. But it still shows that both despite losing players have spent what for clubs of our size a decent chunk of money! Very much agree mate, they have clearly 'spent', but much of that has come from reinvesting funds from player sales. Whether we like it or not, we've not had those assets in the past to really fund any spending spree - it has come from the pocket of 'The Family'. When MH came in it was clear that there was a balancing of the books to be undertaken, and although in the short-term I think miracles have been achieved on a shoestring, we've still spent a net average of nearly £7m per season for the last 5 seasons. I fully expect us to spend more in this window, but I personally wouldn't care if we didn't spend another penny (as long as we find that quality right winger and central midfielder for free ) Edit - one thing that I am really encouraged by is that we appear to be moving towards building for the future and bringing in those player assets that will be valuable in the coming years, ones that will generate sufficient funds for us to go spending the dollar (a la Southampton and Swansea). I think it's the only sensible business model for clubs our size. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 20:35:32 GMT
They have net but last season Southampton spent what 50m? If we were getting 80m and spending I'm sure people would be happy. Especially if like Soton I don't think they lost their better players. They have this time around mainly in Schneiderlin (sp) and Alderweild (I didn't rate Lovren at all ) so it's going to be interesting to see how they do! Swansea in the year they won the league cup spent about 16m. But got 25m in from Allen (again another player I find utterly replacable ), Sinclair and 5m from selling Danny Graham (kudos to the Hull transfer team in that window). Season after they spent about 20m and got nowt in bar a loan fee for Ki I'd imagine. Last season they spent no idea....mainly undiscloseds but they got in Cork, Sigurdsson, Montero, Emnes, Fernandez and Naughton (only with a fee of 5m). So about 15-20m? With quite a bit coming in, 28m + a few more. But it still shows that both despite losing players have spent what for clubs of our size a decent chunk of money! Very much agree mate, they have clearly 'spent', but much of that has come from reinvesting funds from player sales. Whether we like it or not, we've not had those assets in the past to really fund any spending spree - it has come from the pocket of 'The Family'. When MH came in it was clear that there was a balancing of the books to be undertaken, and although in the short-term I think miracles have been achieved on a shoestring, we've still spent a net average of nearly £7m per season for the last 5 seasons. I fully expect us to spend more in this window, but I personally wouldn't care if we didn't spend another penny (as long as we find that quality right winger and central midfielder for free ) Yup, which is what we have to do and why it makes letting Bego and N'Zonzi on the cheap all the more worse! If we've got talents like them pair, we have to sell them for top dollar. With their situations we did but in the grand scheme of things we didn't. A lesson learnt hopefully! |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 30, 2015 20:36:44 GMT
Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... Fulham and Blackburn under Hughes?  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 20:41:16 GMT
Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... Fulham and Blackburn under Hughes? Blackburn is almost a different era away now though. The Premier League has moved on massively since then when it comes to money. (That's bullshit for I can't be arsed to check what he spent there and it is sort of true ). He spent about 10m in that season at Fulham and the only player they sold was Chris Smalling, so that's no loss. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:16:49 GMT
Perfect nzonzi replacement! Sign him up tone
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 30, 2015 21:18:52 GMT
John obi mikel would also be a great Nzonzi replacement.
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Post by stokefaninde on Jul 30, 2015 21:39:06 GMT
Shhhhhhh don't tell biscuit boy you don't have to spend big money. Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... There is this club in the Prem called Stoke City and they have made it by starting off as a long ball club. They eventually evolved into a team and did so without making large signings. They find players with something to prove and sign free agents who can do a job. They have finished top half the past few seasons and would be a fantastic team to follow, especially if you want to follow a top premiership team without being a frontrunner. They are still small enough to follow without being a frontrunner. They are here to stay and have the best fans in the league. Interested? |
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Post by march4 on Jul 30, 2015 21:41:30 GMT
He's not fit to lace Whelan's boots
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 21:42:40 GMT
Who though has stayed up and done well (that's the key bit) without spending money though? I'm struggling to think of anyone...... There is this club in the Prem called Stoke City and they have made it by starting off as a long ball club. They eventually evolved into a team and did so without making large signings. They find players with something to prove and sign free agents who can do a job. They have finished top half the past few seasons and would be a fantastic team to follow, especially if you want to follow a top premiership team without being a frontrunner. They are still small enough to follow without being a frontrunner. They are here to stay and have the best fans in the league. Interested? They also had a spine of a side already there and half of that spine have just been sold...... |
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Post by stokefaninde on Jul 30, 2015 21:53:32 GMT
And replaced their world class keeper with the best young keeper in England. Nzonzi replaced with a stud from Chelsea who rates higher than nzonzi was when he got there. Seriously you should check them out! Top half squad who is spending wisely. Took shots at quality but smart enough to not rock the city with crap. They even have cover for Van Ginkel if he doesn't work out. His name is Cameron and did it for the Americans in the World Cup. American team who made it farther than England.
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Post by stokefaninde on Jul 30, 2015 21:55:29 GMT
And replaced their world class keeper with the best young keeper in England. Nzonzi replaced with a stud from Chelsea who rates higher than nzonzi was when he got there. Seriously you should check them out! Top half squad who is spending wisely. Took shots at quality but smart enough to not rock the city with crap. They even have cover for Van Ginkel if he doesn't work out. His name is Cameron and did it for the Americans in the World Cup. American team who made it farther than England. In the Premiership Eight years. They might know what they are doing! Not too late to join the bandwagon |
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Post by larstoke on Jul 30, 2015 22:54:26 GMT
Wanyana and Van Ginkel would make a great pairing i reckon
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 31, 2015 7:09:15 GMT
This thread would need another 149 pages before he would even think about coming mate.
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) so it's going to be interesting to see how they do!
